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please don't ask why but I just watched Ron Paul speak at a Bitcoin conference and it was one of the weirdest, most rambling speeches I've ever seen. dude sounded like he pregamed with two pints of gravel and went 20 minutes over his slot rambling about "cultural marxism" and why we need to be compassionate but also punish anyone who fucks up in life and also seemed to advocate for bringing back prohibition? everyone was buried in their phones and the only applause line he got was when he said the Coronavirus was "made for entertainment purposes". coincidentally not a single masked person in the crowd

frogbs, Friday, 4 June 2021 14:29 (two years ago) link

OK, so I don't know much about this bullshit, just enough to stay away, but I just saw some CNN story that claimed

US investigators have recovered millions of dollars in cryptocurrency paid in ransom to hackers whose attack prompted the shutdown of the key East Coast pipeline last month, according to people briefed on the matter.
Not just tracked down, but recovered. I thought the whole point of this bullshit was to be untraceable or under the table shit like that, but not only did the pipeline people apparently follow some sort of secret instructions that lead the FBI to a bitcoin wallet (I assume it looks like a kangaroo pouch, right?), but then *got most of the money back.* Like, how?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 June 2021 19:26 (two years ago) link

Bitcoin is pretty traceable IIRC - there was a separate system for laundering Bitcoin when buying drugs on the darknet markets when they were advertising openly on Reddit.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Monday, 7 June 2021 19:29 (two years ago) link

right in a sense it's actually the *most* traceable currency out there, every single transaction is public. still, I'm very curious what exactly "recovered" means here

frogbs, Monday, 7 June 2021 19:30 (two years ago) link

havent read the story but probably they found some of the private keys at some point over the course of the investigation

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Monday, 7 June 2021 19:31 (two years ago) link

US investigators have recovered millions of dollars in cryptocurrency paid in ransom to hackers whose attack prompted the shutdown of the key East Coast pipeline last month, according to people briefed on the matter.

The Justice Department on Monday is expected to announce details of the operation led by the FBI with the cooperation of the Colonial Pipeline operator, the people briefed on the matter said.
The ransom recovery is a rare outcome for a company that has fallen victim to a debilitating cyberattack in the booming criminal business of ransomware.

Colonial Pipeline Co. CEO Joseph Blount told The Wall Street Journal In an interview published last month that the company complied with the $4.4 million ransom demand because officials didn't know the extent of the intrusion by hackers and how long it would take to restore operations.

But behind the scenes, the company had taken early steps to notify the FBI and followed instructions that helped investigators track the payment to a cryptocurrency wallet used by the hackers, believed to be based in Russia. US officials have linked the Colonial attack to a criminal hacking group known as Darkside that is said to share its malware tools with other criminal hackers. A spokesman for the Justice Department declined to comment, and CNN has reached out to the Colonial Pipeline operator.

CNN previously reported that US officials were looking for any possible holes in the hackers' operational or personal security in an effort to identify the actors responsible -- specifically monitoring for any leads that might emerge out of the way they move their money, one of the sources familiar with the effort said.

The Biden administration has zeroed in on the less regulated architecture of cryptocurrency payments which allows for greater anonymity as it ramps up its efforts to disrupt the growing and increasingly destructive ransomware attacks, following two major incidents on critical infrastructure.

"The misuse of cryptocurrency is a massive enabler here," Deputy National Security Advisor Anne Neuberger told CNN. "That's the way folks get the money out of it. On the rise of anonymity and enhancing cryptocurrencies, the rise of mixer services that essentially launder funds."

"Individual companies feel under pressure - particularly if they haven't done the cybersecurity work -- to pay off the ransom and move on," Neuberger added. "But in the long-term, that's what drives the ongoing ransom (attacks). The more folks get paid the more it drives bigger and bigger ransoms and more and more potential disruption."

While the Biden administration has made clear it needs help from private companies to stem the recent wave of ransomware attacks, federal agencies are adept at tracing currency used to pay ransomware groups, CNN previously reported.

But the government's ability to effectively do so in response to a ransomware attack is very "situationally dependent," two sources said last week.

One of the sources noted that helping recover money paid to ransomware actors is certainly an area where the US government can provide assistance but noted that success varies dramatically and largely depends on whether there are holes in the attackers' system that can be identified and exploited.

In some cases, US officials can find the ransomware operators and "own" their network within hours of an attack, one of the sources explained, noting that allows relevant agencies to monitor the actor's communications and potentially identify additional key players in the group responsible.

When ransomware actors are more careful with their operational security, including in how they move money, disrupting their networks or tracing the currency becomes more complicated, the sources added.
"It's really a mixed bag," they told CNN, referring to the varying degrees of sophistication demonstrated by groups involved in these attacks.

One of the sources also cautioned against putting too much stock in US government actions, telling CNN that the unique circumstances around each attack and level of detail needed to effectively take action against these groups is part of the reason there is "no silver bullet" when it comes to countering ransomware attacks.

"It will take improved defenses, breaking up the profitability of ransomware and directed action on the attackers to make this stop," the source added, making clear that disrupting and tracing cryptocurrency payments is only one part of the equation.

That sentiment has been echoed by cybersecurity experts who agree that ransomware actors use cryptocurrency to launder their transactions.
"In the Bitcoin era, laundering money is something that any nerd can do. You don't need a big organized crime apparatus anymore," according to Alex Stamos, former Facebook chief security officer, co-founder Krebs Stamos Group.

"The only way we're going to be able to strike back against that as an entire society is by making it illegal ... I do think we have to outlaw payments," he added. "That is going to be really tough. The first companies to get hit once it's illegal to pay, they're going to be in a very tough spot. And we're going to see a lot of pain and suffering."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 June 2021 19:40 (two years ago) link

yeah that's pretty vague idk

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Monday, 7 June 2021 19:47 (two years ago) link

If you negotiate with terrorists the government should keep any money recovered.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Monday, 7 June 2021 19:50 (two years ago) link

Sounds like they hacked the hackers and stole their private keys.

o. nate, Monday, 7 June 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link

U.S. law enforcement seized almost all of the Bitcoin paid to hackers In the Colonial Pipeline attack, but because the value of Bitcoin crashed so much in past weeks, it now only represents about half what the company originally paid for it https://t.co/YeXaCtc6Tm

— Christopher Mims (@mims) June 7, 2021

o. nate, Monday, 7 June 2021 19:58 (two years ago) link

More on the topic of trying to make all that computing power do something useful:

https://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/computing/networks/making-blockchain-bitcoin-computing-more-useful

o. nate, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 19:07 (two years ago) link

More on law enforcement unleashing sting operations on unsuspecting crime rings:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/06/08/fbi-app-arrests-australia-crime/

Law enforcement officials — some of whom Tuesday could barely contain their glee — announced they had arrested more than 800 people and gained an unprecedented understanding into the functioning of modern criminal networks that would keep fueling investigations long past the coordinated international raids that took place in recent days.

The effort was “one of the largest and most sophisticated law enforcement operations to date in the fight against encrypted criminal activities,” Jean-Philippe Lecouffe, the deputy executive director for operations of Europol, the agency that coordinates police activity among the 27 European Union countries, said in a news conference in The Hague.

For nearly three years, law enforcement officials have been virtually sitting in the back pocket of some of the world’s top alleged crime figures. Custom cellphones, bought on the black market and installed with the FBI-controlled platform, called Anom, circulated and grew in popularity among criminals as high-profile crime entities vouched for its integrity.

The FBI in the past has dismantled encrypted platforms used by criminals to communicate, and infiltrated others. This time, it decided to market an encrypted app of its own to target organized crime, drug trafficking and money laundering activities across the globe. The FBI effort was aided by a paid collaborator who had previously marketed other encrypted devices to members of the global criminal underworld.

A breakthrough came after Australian police met with the FBI in 2018 over a couple of beers, according to officials. The Australians then built a technical capability to access, decrypt and read communications on the FBI’s platform.

The users believed their Anom devices were secured by encryption. They were — but every message was also fed directly to law enforcement agents.

“Essentially, they have handcuffed each other by endorsing and trusting Anom and openly communicating on it — not knowing we were watching the entire time,” Australian Federal Police Commissioner Reece Kershaw said.

...

Officials said raids in those countries in recent days had impounded more than eight tons of cocaine, 22 tons of marijuana and hashish, two tons of methamphetamine and amphetamine, 250 firearms, 55 luxury vehicles and more than $48 million in cash and cryptocurrencies.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 19:31 (two years ago) link

a buddy of mine who's just launched public sale of his startup's "native token," and a trading platform/app.

https://www.morningstar.com/news/globe-newswire/8255815/anatha-announces-its-accessible-equitable-public-token-sale-accepting-fiat-and-crypto

i posted these links in the silicon valley optimism thread (as the project's goals are peak tech optimism), but i'd like to open discussion about it here to any ilxors interested, since i can't find any good threads elsewhere online.

one question i have is about the value proposition. their model is that "value generated by people’s activity on our network flows back to them," but what are the value-generating activities? i couldn't find a good explanation on their website and i'm not well versed enough in this side of the crypto business to know based on the available info.

https://anatha.io/blog/token-sale

davey, Thursday, 17 June 2021 22:05 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

looking forward to ten years in the future where the presumption that cryptocurrency is totally legit is a base presumption with everyone under the age of thirty but no one over the age of fifty

nah

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 8 July 2021 18:57 (two years ago) link

see you in ten years

Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Friday, 9 July 2021 13:41 (two years ago) link

see you in ten years

fun things to say to the cashier instead of "have a good one"

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 July 2021 16:42 (two years ago) link

PROTIP: maintain eye contact

Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:32 (two years ago) link

lol

well of course you have to maintain eye contact when you make decadal predictions

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Saturday, 10 July 2021 03:16 (two years ago) link

it is considered very poor form to look at your feet as you describe what will happen 20 years hence. you have to stare directly at the cashier so they can't tell if it's your fault or if you're supposed to fix it or what

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Saturday, 10 July 2021 03:18 (two years ago) link

I wonder if the natural ponzi scheme can last another ten years.

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 10 July 2021 03:39 (two years ago) link

Only if we perfect nuclear fusion in that timeframe.

I’ve been wondering if anyone has done a prediction on when the energy cost becomes higher than the value of the work done, because at that point the wheels fall off instantly.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Saturday, 10 July 2021 03:44 (two years ago) link

that's just mortal kombat

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Saturday, 10 July 2021 04:36 (two years ago) link

or the matrix. probably a kombo of the two

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Saturday, 10 July 2021 04:36 (two years ago) link

😳

NEW: First look at Spike Lee's Bitcoin commercial

“Old money is not going to pick us up – it pushes us down, exploits, and systematically oppresses. The digital rebellion is here. Old money is OUT, new money is IN." pic.twitter.com/eD1nCenXBX

— Yano (@JasonYanowitz) July 14, 2021

, Friday, 16 July 2021 22:01 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

so apparently someone registered "walmart-corp.com" and got Reuters to publish and official-looking statement that they'll be accepting Litecoin soon. It gets parroted a bunch of places, the Litecoin price goes up a bunch, immediately crashes back down once people figure it out. god I love crypto

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/09/13/2295879/0/en/Walmart-Announces-Major-Partnership-With-Litecoin-LTC.html

frogbs, Monday, 13 September 2021 14:17 (two years ago) link

Bummer! Was looking to buy a gas grill with some litecoin.

Jeff, Monday, 13 September 2021 15:14 (two years ago) link

#Hungary Statue of bitcoin founder known as Satoshi Nakamoto is unveiled#AFP
📸 @afpattila https://t.co/X2B97U7mtI pic.twitter.com/NexdjyYhqY

— AFP Photo (@AFPphoto) September 17, 2021

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 20 September 2021 20:03 (two years ago) link

Terrible likeness. Nakamoto looks nothing like that.

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Monday, 20 September 2021 20:08 (two years ago) link

prob shoulda gone with guy fawkes tbh

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 20 September 2021 20:20 (two years ago) link

Miami Mayor Francis Suarez has a plan to transform the city into the world’s “cryptocurrency innovation hub,” and one of the outcomes, he claims, could be a metropolis free from taxes.

The lofty idea is the byproduct of a cooperation with CityCoins, a nonprofit and opensource protocol that allows people to hold and trade cryptocurrency representing a stake in a municipality. By running software on their personal computers, CityCoins’ users mint new tokens and earn a percentage of the cryptocurrency they create. A computer program automatically allocates 30 percent of the currency to a select city, while users get the other 70 percent.

Since CityCoins unveiled “MiamiCoin” in August, the protocol has sent about $7.1 million to Miami. (City commissioners agreed to accept the donations on Sept. 13.)

While the program is still in its infancy, Suarez (R) estimates the effort could generate as much as $60 million for Miami over the next year and ultimately “revolutionize” how the city funds programs that address poverty and other societal issues.

“When you think about the possibility of being able to run a government without the citizens having to pay taxes. That’s incredible,” Suarez said, adding that the partnership creates a “counternarrative” to the idea that city programs require raising taxes or “private sector philanthropy.”

sounds good, just get rid of taxes and rely on the ever increasing value of cryptocurrency to fund the basic services that humans need

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/09/30/crypto-miamicoin/

typo hell #7: 3-5 of those thinking of want to say (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 September 2021 17:29 (two years ago) link

aside from being just extremely dumb, you have to give the city 30% of the value of what you created with your own electricity instead of paying taxes. i'll just pay taxes thanks.

certified juice therapist (harbl), Thursday, 30 September 2021 21:45 (two years ago) link

money for nothin' and the chicks for free

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 30 September 2021 21:46 (two years ago) link

excellent urban planning news: perpetual motion device discovered that enables none of us to work!

typo hell #7: 3-5 of those thinking of want to say (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 September 2021 21:50 (two years ago) link

Shadowy group gives large donation to Miami, the origins of which remain murky. City gov't happily looks the other way and paves the way for more shadowy donations.
What could go wrong?

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 30 September 2021 22:05 (two years ago) link

Coinface 2047

calstars, Thursday, 30 September 2021 22:53 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/10/ted-cruz-says-bitcoin-will-stabilize-texas-electric-grid-heres-why-hes-wrong/

here's the idea:

First, large bitcoin-mining operations use hundreds or thousands of powerful computers, which create a demand for power. If power plants can profitably mine bitcoin using the electricity they generate—and there are examples of that already—it stands to reason that bitcoin mining could create enough demand that investors would be enticed to build new power plants. Those plants could theoretically be tasked with providing power to the grid in cases of emergency.

i don't think ted cruz actually has really thought about this at all. he was just at some cryptocurrency conference and realized he could just talk out of his ass and he was talking to the perfect audience about it.

At first glance, the argument holds up. But if you dig into it, even just a bit, things quickly fall apart.

For one, the blackouts during Texas’ February cold snap happened because power companies failed to winterize their generators, whether they were natural gas, coal, nuclear, or wind. Lives were at stake, and yet the companies didn’t prepare for the worst. Unlike power plants that serve the grid, bitcoin mining isn’t critical infrastructure—no one dies if a crypto data center shuts down. Plus, bitcoin miners are in the game first and foremost for the money, and they would be loath to spend extra cash to winterize their operations.

But let’s say the power stays on but demand surges. In that case, bitcoin miners would be unlikely to offer their generating capacity to the grid unless they were sufficiently compensated. Texas already has a system like that in place, offering generators a premium for bringing additional power online during shortages. During the February cold snap, wholesale electricity prices surged to $9,000 per MWh, the maximum allowed by law, leading to electricity bills as high as $10,000 for some people.

That raises all sorts of ethical questions, of course—for one, should power companies sell people plans with hidden fees that surge in times of greatest need? Should people from other states have to shoulder the cost? But brushing those concerns aside, bitcoin miners would likely demand even more than the current $9,000 per MWh cap. One bitcoin currently sells for $57,000, and to crunch the numbers to win that one bitcoin, mining rigs draw just under 0.285 MWh, based on Digiconomist estimates. In other words, for bitcoin miners to be willing to contribute to the grid, wholesale electricity prices would have to hit $206,000 per MWh, or nearly 23 times greater than prices during the February cold snap. Those $10,000 bills would turn into $230,000 bills.

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 October 2021 00:11 (two years ago) link

but hey, as long as he gets to continue evading responsibility for doing his job and a small community of asshole friends have an opportunity to profit, wtf cares right

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 October 2021 00:12 (two years ago) link

i think it's an example of how crypto in insidious, though. whether we want it or not, it is seeping into all aspects of life

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 October 2021 00:14 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

hope yall didn't buy into Squid

Chicks and Ducks and Geese better scurry (Ste), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 11:30 (two years ago) link

is it easy to set up a cryptocurrency then? hm.

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 11:34 (two years ago) link

poxycoin

mark s, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 11:45 (two years ago) link

fulecoin

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 21:50 (two years ago) link

I could have bought a nice house with the BTC I spent on DMT and acid a few years ago.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 21:57 (two years ago) link

on the other hand, DMT and acid

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 22:16 (two years ago) link

probably recounted this before somewhere on ilx but my bro was an early adopter of Bitcoin, when we lived together in 2009/12 and had multiple coins (can't remember the actual amount but I think at least in double-figures). he got out at some fairly early stage. I have never brought this up with him to get the exact details because I'm sure they're heartbreaking

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 22:41 (two years ago) link

My boss has a similar story about dumping all his Apple stock when it was clear they were circling the drain in 1996 or whenever it was

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 22:57 (two years ago) link

I bought Bitcoin back in 2015, mostly because it cost almost nothing and a friend kept going on and on about it. I forgot about it for years and now I'm on the fence about what to do with it. You guys really think crypto is insidious?

JacobSanders, Tuesday, 2 November 2021 23:36 (two years ago) link

;_;

certified juice therapist (harbl), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 23:40 (two years ago) link


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