John Cale S/D

Never win and never lose
There's nothing much to choose
Between the right and wrong
Nothing lost and nothing gained
Still things aren't quite the same
Between you and me

I keep a close watch on this heart of mine
I keep a close watch on this heart of mine

I still hear your voice at night
When I turn out the light
And try to settle down
But there's nothing much I can do
Because I can't live without you
Any way at all

I keep a close watch on this heart of mine
I keep a close watch on this heart of mine

that song hits me hard

bagpipes or none

John Cale's 'The Man Who Couldn't Afford To Orgy' is about the best song title this side of Tom T. Hall.

Yeah I'm sorry I should have clarified...winston, that song hits me real hard, too, with or without bagpipes and truth be told I think the version of it on the Island Years dbl CD (or the Helen of Troy album) with *strings* is actually the superior version (no bagpipes)!

Just picked up Church of Anthrax - newly reissued but no bonus tracks or anything. Fantastic. Other than The Soul of Patrick Lee, you could really think it was some great lost krautrock classic.

is this remastered or anything? sketchy that the promo copy says "never before on cd" when obviously it's been available for a long time.

I don't think it's remastered or anything. I think it's just been out of print on CD and now it's back in print. I got a new copy from some amazon seller for $11 with shipping, which was way lower than the list price.

John Cale has sortof been my rebirth. Caribbean Sunset, etc.

But Chinese Envoy, god, I was in love with someone who knew that song.

Look I'm gonna have to have this Music For a New Society album. This is some wonderfully heavily postpunk stuff.

What happened to that guy I was in love with, though? Is he reading this? Do you remember we played John Cale, honey? I love it, John Cale. Never forget, we played him. Don't forget. Sweetheart, don't forget it. Don't you remember? I can't forget.

I've never heared Music for a New SOciety and this makes me sad :(

But do you know Caribbean Sunset? Cause that album just absolutely kills me

NO
isn't that supposed to be one of his worst albums?
I'm too poor to love music :(

Okay I admit it, I'm too drunk. I'm sorry. I'm going to chill out and be quiet, now.

But Mr. Bimble, I dream of meeting a lady who digs on Mr. Cale
that sounds wonderful

i just bought a (new!) copy of Even Cowgirls Get The Blues on cassette at a record store in Taos, NM. I'll be driving around listening to live Cale in no time.

Caribbean Sunset is worse than a lot of his albums but there's still a lot find in it.

Is there any discussion of the New York in the 1960's stuff that Table Of The Elements put out hiding away on here? I like the two of those albums that I have, particularly Sun Blindness Music, which was the first one I found.

I've been listening to that volume a lot, lately. I love that guitar drone piece, it's very metal.
Preparing to do a big Velvets radio show on Oct 28th. Going to read passages out of the Unterberger book and play a lot of live/rare/solo stuff and just some favorites, too. Should be a lot of fun.

carribean sunset is pretty good as some posters already said before. i listened to it a lot alone in my small room in the winter of 1983/84. it was my first term at university and it was a nice antidote to mark knopfler's dire straits which were ubiquitous at the time. i had nothing against them but john cale rockin' out was about a zillion times cooler. the album sounded doomed and fucked and i loved it for that.

Which of the NY in the 60s one is the organ drone piece? Kinda sounds like the same organ used on "Sister Ray"? I heard that once, but don't own it ... Need to track it down.

That is on Sun Blindness Music. There is a forty minute organ drone on that one. I'm guessing that is the one you are talking about, anyway.

Yeah, I think that's it ... Intense stuff! Sure to clear a room within 3 minutes!

Aye, I owned a second hand copy for ages, hadn't listened to it for a while, but remembered it as being wonderful transcendent drone... then it was repressed or whatever and a new copy turned up in the shop, so I stuck it on... didn't go down too well, unfortunately. Still sounded awesome to me.

Haha, yeah, I think I heard it in Twisted Village in Harvard Square a long time ago, which was typical for those guys. Always playing stuff to make sure tourists didn't venture in there.

Why on earth hasn't someone reissued his 80s albums, especially "Honi Soit" and "Music For A New Society"?

And "John Cale Comes Alive!" Don't know if I've ever seen that on CD.

Nope, never (and neither has "Caribbean Sunset"). Neither are spectacular but you'd think Rhino Handmade or Hip-O would get it done.

Search: this double DVD of two early 80s performances on German TV http://www.amazon.co.uk/John-Cale-Band-Live-Rockpalast/dp/B003BWBA6W

yeah a lot of it is on youtube iirc

Yeah, the material has been bootlegged forever, but now it's officially out on DVD.

yeah, i've watched the youtubes of a lot of that -- amazing, but a weird era.

NEW ARTISTS CONFIRMED FOR THE SAN MIGUEL PRIMAVERA SOUND 2011

In the new batch of confirmations there are some names that are essential to the understanding of music and its evolution over this last decade, as well as some pillars of the history of music of the last forty years. All of them are outstanding.

The proto electronic music of the New York seminal duo Suicide, the former Velvet Underground member John Cale (with his performance When Past & Future Collide: John Cale & Band + Orchestra perform PARIS 1919 live) and Swans, Michael Gira’s re-formed band will also be in the Parc del Fòrum next May.

OMG

Shit, upon further research turns out he's played a few Paris 1919 shows recently. Still, gonna start investigating flights to Barcelona.

got the rockapalast double CD (the dvd was mentioned above) and it is killer. lean/mean band on the first disc, intense solo performance on the second. recommended!

I talked about it on some Cale thread - it's great!

where'd you guys get it?

oh it's been officially released. i got it from amazon.

I got it from my local shop.

thx

Yeah, it's pretty damn good. Maybe just a bit passed his prime (I want more 70s live Cale!) but still, some amazing psycho versions, especially "Waiting For My Man".

yeah the waiting for the man on the first disc is a pretty wild reinterpretation -- puts the pounding (almost steve reich-y) piano at the forefront. and then goes off into weirdland with his rant about south america and coffee beans.

Just got this. Thanks for the tip.

Someone should release the "Even cowgirls..." boot!!!

is that a bootleg? it *sounds* like a bootleg, but I thought it was a semi-official release. great stuff, anyway.

The man needs a proper box set for crying out loud! Is this what happens when the record labels fold? Ah well, I made my own anyway!

you got a tracklisting for your box set?
i guess the only real career spanning set is seducing down the door, which is just two discs and came out, when, 1992?

I listen to that live German TV version of "Dying on the Vine" at least once a week.

i guess the only real career spanning set is seducing down the door, which is just two discs and came out, when, 1992?

The Island Years, collecting Fear, Slow Dazzle, and Helen of Troy, is essential, but out of print. I got it from Columbia House for 99 cents in '98.

yeah the island years is great. like gerald, i'd love to hear a good live show from that era. i have a couple pretty dismal (sound quality-wise) bootlegs.