The Diary of a Teenage Girl - Phoebe GloecknerEpileptic - David B.Summer Blonde - Adrian TomineI Never Liked You - Chester Brown
I understand the Blankets backlash but I think that there is something rich being uncovered throughout the story in the religious overtones. Like jaymc says, there's a lot that you don't catch visually the first time through that adds a very sophisticated counter-element to the plot. That said, I totally understand why someone would not want to read about sad teenage boy nostalgia.
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link
I didn't like Tomine untill recently when I gave him another chance w/ Summer Blonde and loved it. A few weeks ago I was at a party of like 8 people, me and 3 others in the living room, then 4 people in the hallway who left after an hour. I was like hey who was that? And my friend was like, that was Adrian Tomine, and I was like WHY THE HELL DIDN'T YOU INTRODUCE ME!!!!
Phoebe Gloeckner's work is amazing.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link
Tomine is great but I fear he is becoming predictable.
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― kephm, Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link
I don't!
― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link
It's issues #5-8 of Optic Nerve (I think). But it's where he really hits his stride.
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link
I thought the original Aliens V Predator story was a good book too, the one set in the futuristic farming ranch, again delicous artwork.
Arkham Asylum was okay with some great character designs but I felt it weakened towards the end.
― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 8 October 2004 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― ___ (___), Friday, 8 October 2004 11:31 (nineteen years ago) link
Is that the one where the Japanese woman joins the Predator tribe? If so, god, I read that as a kid and I've been looking for it for ages. It's got to be out of print.
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 8 October 2004 11:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 8 October 2004 12:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 8 October 2004 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link
And one more Alan Moore not mentioned so far: Skizz
― Joe Kay (feethurt), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link
(maybe you couldn't make it look more better)
― gaz (gaz), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link
Or American Splendor by Harvey Pekar. Drawn by Crumb.
Sacco is brilliant.
― Stew S (stew s), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link
Love and Rockets received numerous props upthread. I've been reading it since issue 18.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stew S (stew s), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 8 October 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stewart Smith (stew s), Friday, 8 October 2004 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link
Gilbert Hernandez is a nightmare, he's been working on a soap opera of a story involving the same characters since 1982/83. I'd say, just go out and buy the Palomar book, then the Poison River collection, which is not contained in the book frustratingly, because it contains essential flashback/back-story about Luba. Read that last.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1560975393/qid=1097273528/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-9932494-7466215?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1560971517/qid=1097273558/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/103-9932494-7466215?v=glance&s=books
Hey! my amazon review is up there!
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 8 October 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 8 October 2004 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 9 October 2004 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 9 October 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― robots in love (robotsinlove), Saturday, 9 October 2004 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link
Burns's art is beautiful, but his stories don't amount to all that much, for me. I've not read Black Hole.
GNs/albums/TPBs I've been spending money on lately: various Bendis things (I'm enjoying the Daredevil ones especially) and Phoenix (my single highest GN recommendation) and Astro Boy by Osamu Tezuka.
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 10 October 2004 09:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Sunday, 10 October 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 10 October 2004 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 October 2004 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link
Oh well, for the record, my favourite comics (available in handy book format - I was gonna get all pedantic about the TPB/GN thing):
* It's A Good Life If You Don't Weaken - Seth* Like A Velvet Glove Cast In Iron - Clowes* The Poor Bastard - Joe Matt* Uncanny X-men - Dark Phoenix Saga* Quit Your Job - James Kochalka* American Elf - James Kochalka* Dark Knight Returns - Miller, Janson, Varley* Lum: Uruseia Yatsura Perfect Collection - Rumiko Takahashi* Summer of Love - Debbie Drechsler* Star Wars: Dark Empire - Veitch, Kennedy* The 3 X-Statix books collected so far.
― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 10 October 2004 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link
If you want to read good, non-twee, non-artsy comics about relationships and everyday human intreaction, I'd suggest you grab anything by Claire Bretécher or Ralf König. The latter writes about gay men in Germany, but his themes are mostly universal.
Howard Cruse's "Stuck Rubber Baby" is one of the best American graphic novels of the recent years, it links the civil right struggles of black people in the early sixties to gay issues. Cruse's characterisation is deep and emphatic, and the whole book has sort of a "this really happened" feel, partly because it's based on his own experiences.
For a wonderful blend of cynical humour and women's issues, you should check out Roberta McGregory's "Naughty Bits/Bitchy Bitch". Another great comic dealing with feminist issues as well as everyday lesbian life is Alison Bechdel's "Dykes To Watch Out For.".
Will Eisner has also published several wonderful, deeply humanist graphic novels, most of which take place in the depression-era New York of thirties. My particular favourite is "Life Force".
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 10 October 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link
Both really great, I agree.
"So what's for dinner?"
"Szechuan vegetarian PULP!"
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 October 2004 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 10 October 2004 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 10 October 2004 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 October 2004 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link
So if you were turned off by older Burns stuff, really give Black Hole a chance, it is super creepy and wonderful.
Stuck Rubber Baby is great, and while speakng of Charles Burns and non-superhero comics, his recent Louis Reil is fantastic.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 10 October 2004 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link
Which reminds me: is his Underground still going? It was great, and his version of the New Testament in the back no less so.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 10 October 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link
1) That's the thing about a lot of the comics mentioned, they're mostly liked by people who "don't read comics all that much". Which is why some comics fans get chips on their shoulders regarding comics that have come to save us (even if they're really good, like Maus). Imagine if newspapers started writing articles about "Radiohead: music isn't just for kids any more". Okay, that is regularly the subtext, but imagine if it was the headline :)
2) I think pretty much anyone on ILC (which is hardly packed full of Comic Book Guys by any standards) would agree that this is a shame, that there should be a lot less superhero comics, written by people who can do them well (instead of just exercising trademarks) (note: well does not necessarily mean tastefully or sensibly), and more comics about everything else. That people who want to write a soap opera about young people falling in love shouldn't have to stick them in spandex to earn enough to live. But that's not how things are.
And now some rantings by Warren Ellis:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=1
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 10 October 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link