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But that lack of consideration is hardly restricted to the centre of London, is it? Lunkhead moronic drunken behaviour happens all over the country, not just central London. Trust me, as Wimbledon fortnight appproaches, I'm bracing myself for an extra influx of non-Wimbledonians (in addition to all those who come here every weekend anyway) who will have fights in the town centre, cover the streets with broken bottles and vomit, and generally make living here just a little less lovely.

stevie (stevie), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I am going through a shitty breakup right now, which is forcing me to leave the neighbourhood and a flat that I love. I slept on a friend's couch last night, and I got about 4 hours of sleep due to drunken assholes wandering down the high street shouting. I am not inclined to be reasonable right now about drunken assholes. Take your sanctimonious wittering about classism and snobbery and shove it down your £15,000 inheritence, Stevie.

I am not saying that the centre of a city should be for residents only. But I *AM* saying that if you visit a place, ANY place, you should show the same respect and consideration as if it were your own home and neighbourhood.

Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:34 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.lasvegassun.com/from.ed/1997/jun/29/photos/P000014114.jpg

LETS GET IT ON!!!!!!

Mills Lane (Dom Passantino), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't like to cause trouble but yes indeed the behaviour that kate describes happens somewhere in pretty much every decent-sized city every weekend.

the surface noise and the analogue warmth (electricsound), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Stevie OTM about Wimbledon town centre, both pre- and during the tennis. I've been attacked and robbed in Wimbledon, much as I love it really.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:36 (nineteen years ago) link

(Stevie, would you go to a Wimbledon FAP? I wonder who else'd turn up?)

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I am not saying that the centre of a city should be for residents only. But I *AM* saying that if you visit a place, ANY place, you should show the same respect and consideration as if it were your own home and neighbourhood.

Can't argue with that -- alas some people are fucking nightmares in their own street, it isn't the journey downtown that brings it out.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Like I said previously, "Bridge and Tunnel" is a term that originated in NYC. It is by no means confined to NYC, or to London.

Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i like the term bridge and tunnel

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:45 (nineteen years ago) link

end up feeling very conscious of being some sort of weirdo for this

totally OTM. I just couldn't understand why 99% of the student population at my uni found getting pissed on alcopops and dancing to the worst music ever made to be the highlight of their week, but it also made me feel like an unsociable recluse for not wanting to go. Really I only went there to meet other students and do the whole social thing. I wasted a lot of time in my efforts.

Enrique - hah, I want to excelsior that but I don't know if anyone else would know what you're talking about.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:46 (nineteen years ago) link

clearly we need to turn the circle line into a moat

Ed (dali), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Except Shoreditch would be outside said moat.

Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree that ppl tend to be wilder when they go on a 'bigger' night out as such. You go to your local for a 'few drinks with the lads' & then you go on a wild night out in the city.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Buddha says chill, y'all.

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~wadh1786/peace.jpg

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost to dog latin

NB: I am barred from the Earl of Derby. Recognize.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Then we could have a border war with hackney.

Ed (dali), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Ed in "wanting to fight the poor" shocker, har.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:49 (nineteen years ago) link

After last night, I hate Hackney. Now I know where the freaking noisy ass B&T types actually come from.

Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:49 (nineteen years ago) link

it's hard for suburbanites to empathise with city folk - when i was younger i used to believe people who lived in Zone 1 were either really really rich or really really poor - i was right in the middle of those two and couldn't relate, and i hated the idea of living right in the centre until recent years because of the noise and grime (no jokes please). but where i grew up people didn't really go uptown for a big night out that often it seems, not the people i knew anyway, which frustrated me deeply.

stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:56 (nineteen years ago) link

include ZOne 2 with Zone 1 there

stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:57 (nineteen years ago) link

(Stevie, would you go to a Wimbledon FAP? I wonder who else'd turn up?

I would be there, indeedy. But we must be *very* careful about which pub we choose.

Kate - I'd much rather my dad were still here (albeit not suffering) than have the money he left me. Hope that eases your breakup.

stevie (stevie), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:58 (nineteen years ago) link

It doesn't have to be London Stevem. Ppl always choose a bigger place for say stag & hen dos for example.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I just hate the way that the "class issue" or accusations of snobbery are being brought in as automatic responses to everything I say, regardless of whether I have a point or not. Would I be entitled to call lager louts "puente y túnel" or more likely "nave y aeropuerto" if I were a poor, Spanish fisherman complaining about British holidaymakers in Ibiza? Huh?

Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:06 (nineteen years ago) link

the Spanish fishermen all dropped their complaints when "Music Sounds Better With You" was released.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:09 (nineteen years ago) link

and they sold their previously worthless beachfront areas of the coast for billions of pesetas

chris (chris), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link

woah, did I miss the party!

Although I guess the term "bridge and tunnel" is quite offensive in this context, people were a little quick to jump at Kate's throat just for explaining the term. It really does assume that everyone who comes from out of town is a trouble-maker, when in fact I'm sure there's just as much trouble caused by people in their own towns. People are generally wankers by default. Also, it's also quite offensive that city folk will act so snooty in a "oh, please don't spoil our lovely town with your non-ironic haircuts and your shocking lacks of knowledge about microhouse" kind of way, but that's another story.
Trendier London clubs are nothing like my initial post. The rant was indeed about small-town clubbing where they have to appeal to the lowest common denominator - students, office workers, townies, breezer birds etc. I walk past the queue for the Corn Exchange in Hitchin town centre and am amazed that these people would actually want to go in when there's plenty of other places they could go. Oh well, I guess it's a good thing because it keeps this kind of demographic out of the decent pubs.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:12 (nineteen years ago) link

dl - you live in Hitchin?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Letchworth.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

HAHAHAHA

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, it's also quite offensive that city folk will act so snooty...

You know, it's just as offensive to make sweeping generalisations about city folk as it is to make sweeping generalisations about suburban folk.

Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I wasn't accusing you personally Kate. And anyway, sweeping generalisations is what DL is all about.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:20 (nineteen years ago) link

After the beatdown I got for daring to use the term "Bridge and Tunnel" I'm just not going to let that go un-called.

Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:21 (nineteen years ago) link

i like ironic haircuts.

but only if they are asymmetric too

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:22 (nineteen years ago) link

COME ON THEN!

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:22 (nineteen years ago) link

YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE LIDO

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

People are generally people by default. Tho wanking is kind of instinctive i guess.

stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

any chance of those chips

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Chips With Everything - now there's a club, or is it? i dunno, never been

stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:26 (nineteen years ago) link

what exactly is wrong with the term 'bridge and tunnel'?

what is wrong with ironic haircuts?

there is a strange classism being exhibited by many people, which seems to suggest that 'ordinary people' (you mean, working class people right?) don't/shouldn't do these things. i don't understand.

some of the attitudes and opinions expressed seem very similar to those i came to london to escape.

this isnt the premise of dlatins post, apologies dl

bridge, tunnel and lido (gareth), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i should clarify that i wasn't accusing Kate of classism on *this* thread, per se, but of snobbery.

stevie (stevie), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:39 (nineteen years ago) link

maybe this is on some other threads, more than this one, but it is here too. the implication that people are pretentious/fake/annoying/poncey, yes, particularly 'poncey' if they are a certain way, seems somehow bound up in a mutated classism, like, working class people never do those things? its an attitude i dont understand

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm not referring to kate, but to her detractors on this thread (and, granted, i'm not talking specifically about this who gets to live where thing, but it is related)

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:43 (nineteen years ago) link

and that i was also needlessly vociferous upthread, but also really narked by the 'us & them' attitude of Kate's post, which rarely try to understand whichever 'them' is in question, in favour of merely whining about them, which doesn't seem a very good solution to whatever the problem is (ie there are people fouling your area and being loud & abusive - how does where they are from matter, and are you sure they're not local?). to be honest, the idea of living in the centre of town has never really appealed to me - i like to keep it at arms' distance.

xpost: gareth, not sure if i understand the analogy between fakeness/ponceyness and classism as regards this thread...

stevie (stevie), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:43 (nineteen years ago) link

it seems like Kate is suggesting that people who live in the city and those who live in the suburbs should behave the same but this strikes me as being somewhat at odds with the urban/suburban dynamic, esp. wrt to suburbanites (urbanites don't go to the burbs because they HATE them) and their attitudes to the city which range from excitement/wishing to be part of to that becoming envy and then resentment. but the noisy people being complained about - who are they and where are they from? and how can you tell? perhaps they feel more relaxed about making noise in the city, as if expecting residents there to be used to it. by and large the city is noisier than the suburbs so this is to an extent understandable (tho perhaps not excusable).

stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not sure those attitudes are present on this thread gareth, though I know what you are alleging. Where specifically do you think they are visible here? I just re-read and I don't see it.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:45 (nineteen years ago) link

'bridge and tunnel' = great term because directly evocative of bridges and tunnels, which are GREAT! i much prefer bridges tho, in fact i hate and fear tunnels (but they're still great)

ironic haircuts i can take or leave

stevem (blueski), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought the initial reference to 'bridge and tunnel' was to a club night in london my friends refer to.

stevie (stevie), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Shall we all be friends?

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 11 June 2004 12:02 (nineteen years ago) link

stevie, i think its that on many threads theres almost a fetishization of working class people as opposite to hipsters/ponces. you know, ordinary people, those people that go to the football, don't live in warehouses, aren't poncey, know what they are talking about, as though working class peopel aren't all those things

its difficult to articulate, and is only hinted at in this thread really

i think its the anti ironic-hair thing, a dislike of 'ponceyness', see the many comments about 'hipster cunts' that pepper the board. yes, of course, i am aware that that is a convenient straw man for people but...

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 11 June 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Charlton, thank you. Thank you so much.

Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 12:07 (nineteen years ago) link


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