Planet of the Apes: Classic or Dud

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Referring to STAR WARS as A NEW HOPE = dud. :)

(and in a better world, no sequels for either)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 March 2005 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Sweet Jesus...I agree with Dr Morbius for once...

**sound of water crystallizing as hell freezes over**

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Thursday, 10 March 2005 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Dr. Morbius's first post basically OTM. I forgive the sequels most of their flaws because they've still got the great makeup, because of the race-relations commentary mentioned above amd because sci-fi movies, like oriental rugs, just always seem to have little flaws in them.

Fun fact: J. Lee Thompson, who directed the fourth film, Conquest of the Planet of the Apes, also directed the original Cape Fear.

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 10 March 2005 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I fight with friends about this, but I never saw a racism subtext, at least in the original. One of the astronauts is black, for one thing. The movie is obviously pro-animal rights and anti-nukes. Heston was pretty liberal in the '60s, and a generous supporter of the Civil Rights movement. The whole "damn dirty ape" thing gets blown way out of proportion...

Movie, toys, masks, record-comics, and Marvel comics based on it = classic.

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 10 March 2005 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Not *racist*, but racially themed. The fourth movie in particular, "Conquest," cribs from the Watts riots (see the DVD box's documentary).

I've eaten out of an "Apes" cereal bowl for 30 years.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 March 2005 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm going to have to go with dud. Once you got past the basic premise of the film (what if the animal/man relationship were inverted and we got a taste of what its like to be enslaved) there doesn't seem to be much more to the movie. Since this premise was communicated to me within the first 15 minutes of the movie, there's not a lot left to do but listen to a lot of boring dialogue from actors in latex masks. In a lot of ways, this reminds me of Logan's Run which starts off with a great premise ("No one has to work but everyone dies by law at age 30!") and then has no where to go with it. You end up listening to some old guy in a library talk for like 45 minutes and you wonder what happened to the movie being about science fiction. Then there's Zardoz...

Endicott Peabody, Sunday, 13 March 2005 07:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Big premise with disappointing follow-through? That's typical of all science fiction in all media. You've got to make allowances for that. (Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure you can come up with a counter-example or two, but still.)

Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 13 March 2005 12:24 (seventeen years ago) link

The original and its sequels rock. What I really like about them is how stoner-y they are... the pacing and camera angles seem to assuming that everyone watching them has been hitting the doob big time.

The Tim Burton remake - one of the worst films ever made. After this I swore never to watch another Burton film.

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 13 March 2005 13:28 (seventeen years ago) link

the burton version sucked, for sure. but was it really one of the worst movies of all time?

OTM about the stoner-isness of the original,'s a large part of why it's so entertaining.

latebloomer: damn cheapskate satanists (latebloomer), Sunday, 13 March 2005 21:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude. and the answer to your first question is: yes, yes it is.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link

fourteen years pass...

I've eaten out of an "Apes" cereal bowl for 30 years.

Do you still have this bowl?

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 January 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link

great revive

que pasa picasso (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 12 January 2020 22:42 (three years ago) link

Wondering if you mean that in same spirit as this

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 January 2020 23:57 (three years ago) link

I do have that bowl, and now two of the same bcz my sister bought me a duplicate.

It always pays to be married to a producer of a 'franchise':

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link

Linda “Nova” Harrison better watch her back.

Disco Cladistic (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 16 January 2020 00:12 (three years ago) link

fun fact: the writer of "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" - Paul Dehn - actually wrote the covert ops training manual for the US in WW2 that was basically the blueprint for the CIA's manual currently in place

sarahell, Thursday, 16 January 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link

Convenience link to other thread: Planet Of The Apes movie series - Classic or Dud

Disco Cladistic (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link

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