S&D: Most gratutitous uses of hip-hop culture as windowdressing.

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Who cares anyway? In most anyplace in this world, hip-hop "culture" is windowdressing, aside from the Bronx and Brooklyn.

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jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 September 2002 21:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Who cares anyway? In most anyplace in this world, hip-hop "culture" is windowdressing, aside from the Bronx and Brooklyn."

Note: For the purposes of this post, Park Slope, Williamsburg, Carroll Gardens, Borrum Hill, Bay Ridge, DUMBO and Cobble Hill should not be considered Brooklyn.

Yancey (ystrickler), Friday, 13 September 2002 21:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Blimey the windows in South London are pretty well-dressed then!

Tom (Groke), Friday, 13 September 2002 21:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm quite sure these days "hip hop culture" is as much windowdressing in Brooklyn and the Bronx as it is in Crescent City, CA or Seoul.

Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 13 September 2002 21:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

What about Sunset Park then?

hstencil, Friday, 13 September 2002 21:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sunset Park = Hip-Hop Heaven

Also, Brighton Beach be bangin'.

Yancey (ystrickler), Friday, 13 September 2002 21:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

No need to destroy NKTOB since they broke up a long time ago. Anyhow I just saw Wyclef and Tom Jones on Top of the Pops. (And I thought it could not get any worse with Wyclef.... What will he do next?!?)

nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 13 September 2002 22:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

That was a pretty lame 2000th show. When the best thing on it is the trance act you have problems.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 13 September 2002 22:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am absolutely flummoxed that no one has mentioned Mariah Carey yet.

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 13 September 2002 22:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Every appearance of Ja Rule, anywhere.

Dave Beckhouse (Dave Beckhouse), Friday, 13 September 2002 22:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I thought Sunset Park was more tejano/salsa territory, but then again I've only been there once.

hstencil, Friday, 13 September 2002 22:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes Michaelangelo, actually I was thinking of how shit "Honey" and "Heartbreaker" were only the other day ...

robin carmody (robin carmody), Friday, 13 September 2002 23:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was thinking for more incongruous breakdancing stuff - the ego trippin list also mentions a dwight twilley video! - which I guess is kind of a dated concept now

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Saturday, 14 September 2002 01:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Every rock band with a token dj who's scratching you never hear but for two seconds in the entire song ala Sugar Ray.

bnw (bnw), Saturday, 14 September 2002 06:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Every rock band with a token dj who's scratching you never hear but for two seconds in the entire song ala Sugar Ray"

Hear-Here! This goes for most rock bands that incoporate token scratching that you can hear (that is, if you already had not changed the channel).

I'd also add those "Hip-Hop Superstores" of so-called "Hip-Hop clothing" in the malls, and random vocal samples in many electronic(a) songs ala "Get Busy Child".

Joe aka PappaWheelie, Saturday, 14 September 2002 06:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Didn't even Hanson (by way of the Dust Brothers) even incorporate some scratching into their signature hit, "MmmBop"? Moreover, wasn't it also the highlight of the track?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 14 September 2002 08:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sum-41 going to see a rap coach - "Before, we, like, couldn't rap at all..."

Mr Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 14 September 2002 08:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

In most anyplace in this world, hip-hop "culture" is windowdressing, aside from the Bronx and Brooklyn.

i do not understand this sentence. i've read many strange things on ilm, but this is one of the strangest (i'm not criticisizing, i just cannot fathom what this actually means)

When the best thing on it is the trance act you have problems

mind you, i'm not entirely sure what this is about either

gareth (gareth), Saturday, 14 September 2002 14:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

In most anyplace in this world, hip-hop "culture" is windowdressing, aside from the Bronx and Brooklyn.

I guess my point was, that at this point in history, hip hop (and esp. its "culture," whatever the fuck that is; nobody talks about "culture" in relation to any other type of music, unless it's music from a culture i.e. ethnographic music) has spread so rapidly across the globe (and esp. across the USA) that it no longer can mean anything closely related to what it was. When it became the best-selling genre of music in the USA, who cares who appropriates some weird trope of it, from Hanson (yeah, "Mmmmbop" had scratches) or nu-metal "rapping?"

When Mr. P. Diddy can sell clothing in shopping malls in Iowa, who cares about some washed-up rocker using breakdancers in a video twenty years ago? Hip hop culture isn't in opposition to American culture at large, it is American culture.

And the comment about the Bronx and Brooklyn was more wishful thinking than anything, since those were the places where hip hop originated and flowered.

hstencil, Saturday, 14 September 2002 17:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

"(and esp. its "culture," whatever the fuck that is; nobody talks about "culture" in relation to any other type of music, unless it's music from a culture i.e. ethnographic music)"

How is hip-hop not 'music from a culture'?

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 15 September 2002 18:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

i don't know if scrathing was the 'highight' of mmm-bop because the song was pretty well all around perfect.

keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 15 September 2002 19:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Gareth re. the trance comment - generally trance acts on TOTP have pretty drab visuals and usually are a bit forgettable, in this case a) the trance guy was pretty good, b) everything else was awful.

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 15 September 2002 19:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

How is hip-hop not 'music from a culture'?

Are you born "hip-hop" as opposed to being born, say, Serbian?

hstencil, Sunday, 15 September 2002 21:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

What trance act was it then? Jurgen Vries/Darren Tate?

Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Sunday, 15 September 2002 21:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah Jurgen Vries and some good/strange costumed dancers.

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 15 September 2002 22:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

i just was thinking about that flinstones cereal commercial (fruity pebbles??) where barney is rapping and whatnot

ron (ron), Sunday, 22 September 2002 05:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

And not even one mention of Lou Reed's unholy handjob "The Original Wrapper"?

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 22 September 2002 05:45 (twenty-one years ago) link


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