"Use other words please."

Revolutionary: I believe I was always already aware that this was a technical word, deployed by advertising agencies, to let you know that yr favourite supermarket product now came in packaging no longer cuboid, but TETRAHEDRAL! Yay.

Stunning: No it isn't. It's mildly amusing/surprising/diverting.

Ethereal: As noted over on Indie-a-Genre, this is now a corporate genre-name, acc. Tower records (i.e. like Reggae).

i was thinking of this before the thread was posted, but now i've gone and forgotten all of them and, even worse, i've probably even used those examples in recent writing.

pretentious: salvageable, actually, provided we can make the old big world use it as unalloyed praise

But yeah, sorry.

Sorry? since when did converting to glum stalinism just as your first work becomes a cause celebre (Aragon) or just attacking everyone who ever helped or admired you in print, and refusing lucrative commissions from all the major french newspapers (Breton) constitute a hack dimension? perhaps you're getting mixed up with Salvador Dali?

But •assiduous• curators of their own gallery-of-the-future post-revolution reps: which I just seriously wanna get up between sometimes, and bugger about with. I tht of including Dali, but it wd have taken the heat off the others.

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I'm not sure what annoys me more: that it has become an ugly shorthand for 'anally retentive', or that it's only used in such a limited 'slag off' way, compared with the original Freudian sense. I'm not an expert on Freud, but I seem to recall an anally retentive character being about much more than alphabetising your CD collection and making lists.

"myth" as in "the rock myth" - was about to use it in the Depeche/League thread and suddenly thought HOLD ON.

too easy and vague by half

(Kid vs scientist: who'd want to be anything else anyway?)

Dinosaurs rooled! For 70 million years!! Badly designed? To get rid of them, the cosmos had to hurl a rock the size of Birmingham — at Mexico!!!

Also (somewhat related, tho not somewhat rock-related): "FAT CATS"

I'm sorry, excuse me, just HOW is this headline shortcut going to help stir up class rage against capitalism?

Cats are great, fat cats are bigger, thus better QED.

Might as well call 'em Honey Bunnies or Wonky Donkeys...

"Chameleon" (Tanya made this point once but she nicked it off me or Pete) - David Bowie a rock chameleon i.e. ever-changing, unpredictable BUT chameleons blend into the background, so it's more like Soup Dragons-y bandwagon jumping AND the only colours they can do are various shades of dull green yellow and brown so 'unpredictable' is a bit off too.

(And this word is doubly evil if used in the same sentence as "punk rock")

Like, yeah, I can even *say* it with a nice French Canadian accent. Where did that stupid expression come from ?

Post Schmaltz should be used more often.

Heh: this just reminded me one of the original OBSCURE STRATEGIES requires you to eat a Red Chili pepper and tape yr mouth shut, then work — write, record, whatevah — in this state.

Thought it meant singleton cigarettes for sale in a bodega.

Ok boomer

ok fine, I've only ever heard "loosies" used that way in one place (an ad for a podcast). But that term is absolutely what makes the ad annoying. morrisp OTM.

“unserious”

I've never heard this

You should Yahoo unserious

Joke worked better in 1998

Lol, took me a while.

lol

needle drop

Yes, when did this become a thing all of a sudden?

when the first Interpol vinyl pressing came out

this is why we can't have nice things

…Hoh-nayy

Saying a new artist is "very much in dialog with" some shit from the 90's. That's a monologue, they can't hear you.

howcum when a band breaks up they "implode"? isn't "explode" more accurate? altho too dramatic i guess.

'problematic', 'de rieguer (?)', 'mainstream', 'pretentious', 'glitchcore', 'Your round,Geordie !'

― Geordie Racer, Saturday, 14 April 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Ahead of their time (n.b. it doesn't bother me personally)

"exactly"

^ exactly

“, right? so”

lol westbury white horse, I almost called that out last time I looked in this thread. if Geordie only knew.

Yes to "in dialogue with"

Saying a new artist is "very much in dialog with" some shit from the 90's. That's a monologue, they can't hear you.

― enochroot, Sunday, October 8, 2023 4:57 PM

agree with this discrepancy, but poor example imo. especially at this point (just search "90s infomercial" on youtube). one doesn't have to have lived through or be currently living through something to be in dialogue. putting search stringent rules on it -especially in the context of creativity and imagination- kinda misses the point.

i'm reminded of midge ure, years later, reflecting that, while the song was gaining popularity, he felt a little like a fraud because he had never even been austria at that point. "vienna" was definitely part of that tune's dialogue though.

My issue isn't with the concept of an artistic dialogue, it's just with leaning on the phrase as a smarty-pants way to say "is influenced by"...
Such as this:

But as much as Infinite Spring is in dialogue with the pop-rock canon...

obviously it's an improvement on "is influenced by", which ppl shd stop saying

Next day, a large ship, the Rachel, was descried, bearing directly down upon the Pequod, all her spars thickly clustering with men. At the time the Pequod was making good speed through the water; but as the broad-winged windward stranger shot nigh to her, the boastful sails all fell together as blank bladders that are burst, and all life fled from the smitten hull.

"Bad news; she brings bad news," muttered the old Manxman. But ere her commander, who, with trumpet to mouth, stood up in his boat; ere he could hopefully hail, Ahab's voice was heard.

"Hast seen the White Whale?"

thats right

a whale worth hunting, mind you, I salute my captain always

"quixotic"

stfu, wuth this fallacy-laden attitude anybody who ever set foot in a guitar center could be sancho's next homie.

(see? i can read classic literature too. it has fuck all to do with the music you're supposed to be telling me about, asshole. grrrr off to the irrationally angry thread)

OK but how you do *you* pronounce it?

"is in tune with" is underrated

"rollicking" - this word is not real it really isn't

^first recorded use 1811, apparently(?)

does it mean fucking

I don't know how else to interpret roll + frolic

It is meant to describe rock and roll that is polite and takes its shoes off

rollicking is a good vocab word to bust out in whimsical moments, but don't actually use it

obviously it's an improvement on "is influenced by", which ppl shd stop saying

― mark s, Wednesday, December 6, 2023 1:48 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

"is influenced by" is definitely presumptuous, but surely "in dialogue with" can mean something other than "influenced by?" Like a band who's never heard Spirit of Eden could nonetheless unknowingly be "in dialogue" with that album, right? As in channeling something without awareness of its lineage? Unless I'm misunderstanding the jargon, which is totally possible

I don't mind Don kee-ho-tay but Don quicks-oat bugs me.

Ditto Don Jew-on vs. Don Wan.

The explanation I have heard is that those anglicized pronunciations were prevalent when travel was rare.

I’ve never heard those pronunciations (beyond how “quixotic” is pronounced)

....wait just a second! it's not pronounced like "smith"!?

xps personally I prefer 'in conference with'. mostly because of it being a lot like 'in dub conference'.

I have been guilty of using the i-word in conversation - i have spent two thirds of my life reading wikipedia you see - but i wouldn't use it in prose. bcuz inspired/impacted/other 'i's are better/closer/other 'er's etc

"let's nut this out"

let's... not??