drummer on Skylarking

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Being obvious there. Sorry.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I care more about Horace Andy's version.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

TS!

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Prairie Prince also plays on Apple Venus and some of Wasp Star. His drumming on Skylarking is really great.

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I hear a LOT of LinnDrum on Skylarking, but yeah, I think the live stuff is Prairie Prince.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I care more about Horace Andy's version.

Jamaicaist.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Jamaicaist.

BAHAHAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:11 (nineteen years ago) link

"Jamaicaist."

You know IT!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't like Jamaica. Whoa no! I love it!

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link

If XTC had a regular rhythm section I might like them more.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago) link

if xtc employed the aggrovators i might enjoy them more.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I believe he was (and is) the drummer in Todd Rundgren's band, which is how he ended up on Skylarking.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

drumming on "Earn Enough For Us" is so nice

Stormy Davis, Saturday, 19 April 2008 05:04 (fifteen years ago) link

"the part of the time bomb was played by..."

nabisco, Saturday, 19 April 2008 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

been revisiting Skylarking a lot lately and just got bowled over once again by the drumming on Man Who Sailed Around His Soul.

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 20:52 (six years ago) link

Prairie Prince does cool airbrush paintings

brimstead, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 21:01 (six years ago) link

it's just stunning that they tracked the whole record without drums and put them on last. because yeah, the drumming is fantastic throughout, particularly on "Earn Enough for Us."

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 21:29 (six years ago) link

also the secret ingredient on 'My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts', turning all those pieces built out of loops into things that no longer immediately sound like loops. also a completely solid person, which sure helps when it comes to this whole music thing. still touring with Rundgren live, as well as festivals with the Tubes.

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 21:41 (six years ago) link

"release the tapes!" the public cries, "release them now!"

Dominique, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 21:50 (six years ago) link

it's just stunning that they tracked the whole record without drums and put them on last.

Yeah, I was fucking stunned when I learned this - I'd always assumed that the drums were tracked live to a click along with the drum machines/samples etc. but I never would have guessed the drumming had gone on last. It's such a backwards way of recording, and I'm surprised P. Prince got it to sound so natural - especially given how quickly and cheaply the record was made by post-1982 XTC standards.

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 23:10 (six years ago) link

ABCs Lexicon of Love tracked drums last, iirc. The final mix is a mesh of programmed and real.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 23:20 (six years ago) link

Oh, Def Leppard's Hysteria or Pyromania - maybe both? - were drums last, too!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 23:21 (six years ago) link

The Lexicon of Love was done using a method that was a bit like tracing, everything was programmed up first to get the arrangements down and then gradually replaced with "real" musicians to get the performances super tight.

Hysteria I think was all electronic drums out of neccessity.

Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link

Even before that! From Tape Op:

You and Mutt were trying something truly revolutionary, compared to the way rock drums were being recorded at that time.

The previous Def Leppard record, High ‘n' Dry, was recorded with real drums. On Pyromania, Mutt wanted to be experimental and leave the drums to the very end. He would keep changing the arrangements, so therefore the drum parts would need to keep changing. We had to figure out how to sync that up. It was on the cutting edge, but somehow we managed to put it all together. Take "Photograph," for example. Like all the other songs on the record, the song's drums were all samples from the Fairlight. There are no real drums. The cymbals are played, but the bass drum, snare, and toms are all machine. We had all kinds of drums in there, and I sampled them into the Fairlight and detuned them. We'd sample them in at half-speed, thinking that we'd get a better sound, because that's when Fairlight was at 8 bits – you had to get around that part of it. We sampled Black Beauty snares, other snares, and all kinds of bass drums. We ended up with something that Mutt liked that we could detune a little bit. When we were sampling in the sounds, we used KM 84s and we used 58s. There were so many mics. The toms were primarily Simmons toms back then, which were electronic. We experimented, EQ'd, and mangled the sound up a little bit to come up with the drum sound. It was pretty unnatural, but that was kind of the point.

The Fairlight seems like it basically became like another member of the band. What kind of role did it play as you got near the end of tracking?

We were recording Pyromania on 24-track, and we spent a lot of months on that record. By the time it came to mixing, the tape was peeling off in 2-inch pieces. It became clear from the intensity of working on a record like that, going over and over and over, blocking out backgrounds, changing arrangements, and all that. I'm surprised we ever got it finished, because the tape literally fell to pieces. It was experimental; we were using a Fairlight, trying to sync that whole thing up and work like that, and we hadn't figured out ‘til the end how we were going to do the drums. So even when "Photograph" was about to be mixed, Mutt decided to change the chorus. Songs would evolve, and he wanted to have control until the last minute of what the feel was going to be. Rather than commit to the drums, and have to re-cut them and re-cut them, he thought this was a better way to do it. I don't think anyone had done it before, but we decided to give it a shot – scary as it was – and we just went on blind faith. It was more about being able to change the arrangements at the last minute, which was very important to him.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 19:28 (six years ago) link

three years pass...

1. The buzz of a bee crossing from left to right speaker on Summer's Cauldron

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 24 September 2021 21:30 (two years ago) link

2. "Please don't pull me out, I'm relaxed in the undertow"

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 24 September 2021 21:31 (two years ago) link

3. The moment Summer's Cauldron transitions into Grass

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 24 September 2021 21:32 (two years ago) link

4. Colin Moulding reprising his role as the amorous West Country farmboy on Grass

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 24 September 2021 21:42 (two years ago) link

5. The little clockwork ticky tick intro on The Meeting Place

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 24 September 2021 21:42 (two years ago) link

6. Why wasn't Supergirl a single? Would have mad e more sense than The Meeting Place at least. Anyway, the guitar solo alone...

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 24 September 2021 21:45 (two years ago) link

7. The audible vacuum of space that Another Satellite orbits through.

Hideous Lump, Friday, 24 September 2021 22:04 (two years ago) link

Yeah that one

8. "Your moony moony face..."

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 24 September 2021 22:29 (two years ago) link

9. Todd Rundgren's idea to put The Man Who Sailed Around His Soul in 7/8 (I think)

(Sorry Andy)

Hideous Lump, Friday, 24 September 2021 23:40 (two years ago) link

10. Ballet for a Rainy Day and 1000 Umbrellas when taken as a piece are XTC's BoRhap

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Saturday, 25 September 2021 00:00 (two years ago) link

(until The Wheel & the Maypole of course)

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Saturday, 25 September 2021 00:03 (two years ago) link

3. The moment Summer's Cauldron transitions into Grass

i think this is probably the greatest transition ever put on a record

frogbs, Saturday, 25 September 2021 01:45 (two years ago) link

11. Big Day teaching Damon Albarn everything he knows

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Saturday, 25 September 2021 14:56 (two years ago) link

—ning here in summer’s caul-DRIIIIIIIIIII [string mob busts in]

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 25 September 2021 17:42 (two years ago) link

is it a british thing to pronounce umbilical to rhyme with cycle? or just a partridge thing

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Saturday, 25 September 2021 19:12 (two years ago) link

I've heard both but it's not that common.

Are You Still in Love With Me, Klas-Göran? (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 September 2021 19:42 (two years ago) link

2. "Please don't pull me out, I'm relaxed in the undertow”

Ah, but it’s “I’m relax in the undertow!” Think there are one or two other songs where Andy adjectifies verbs like that.

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Sunday, 26 September 2021 02:17 (two years ago) link

I only knew Grass on the Fossil Fuel compilation for several years so was not emotionally prepared for the transition from Summer's Cauldron

PaulTMA, Sunday, 26 September 2021 11:25 (two years ago) link

Andy’s high note finale before the strings enter there is all time.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 26 September 2021 12:21 (two years ago) link

I also heard "Grass" first on a compilation and you'd never guess there was a transition from the previous song

Vinnie, Sunday, 26 September 2021 13:04 (two years ago) link

Ah, but it’s “I’m relax in the undertow!” Think there are one or two other songs where Andy adjectifies verbs like that.

That's weird. It doesn't even make sense but never mind. I like it when he makes up words like "obheard"

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Sunday, 26 September 2021 19:53 (two years ago) link

isn’t it “please don’t pull me out / i’m relaxing the undertow” ?

j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Sunday, 26 September 2021 22:07 (two years ago) link

it is indeed odd but "I'm relax in the undertow" is correct

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 26 September 2021 22:31 (two years ago) link

It's some poetic English-massaging behind which the logic seems to be something like "if 'lax' is an adjective, why can't 'relax' be an adjective too?" The other one I'm thinking of is "suffocate seaweed" from "That Wave," where his pronunciation of "suffocate" is to the actual pronunciation of the verb "suffocate" as the pronunciation of "duplicate" (adjective) is to the pronunciation of "duplicate" (verb). I feel like he's done this in at least one other song, but I'm drawing a blank right now.

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Monday, 27 September 2021 15:59 (two years ago) link

12. Season Cycle, like the whole of it and how it manages to be Penny Lane without being too similar. oh and also the sheer amount of DETAIL in that one, the backing vocals and how they literally cycle around the lead vocal like that

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 27 September 2021 20:55 (two years ago) link

it's a nifty chord progression too, the chorus cycles through the same melodic idea in three distinct harmonic ways.

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Monday, 27 September 2021 21:11 (two years ago) link

Actually maybe it's not Penny Lane, maybe it's Friends-era Beach Boys

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 27 September 2021 23:19 (two years ago) link

i can hear the “penny lane” in there for sure, but it does seem to have a lot of brian wilson dna. the “i really get confused” bridge in particular sounds like it could’ve been on smile

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Monday, 27 September 2021 23:25 (two years ago) link

Wish Wheel and the Maypole was on Spotify

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 10:56 (two years ago) link


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