Peter Bogdanovich, threshing machine

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dave q, Monday, 30 September 2002 19:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
OMG, Bogdanovich directed the new Pete Rose telemovie on ESPN. That's so sad.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

i just found a dvd of targets i bought months ago and forgot about! about to watch, will report back...

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw Targets very recently...it is silly.

adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

What a great thread title! I have no idea what it means!

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

i really don't like the ascots

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 24 September 2004 23:22 (nineteen years ago) link

TV movies don't necessarily mean the person is desparate. They might just think the story is interesting and aren't worried that it might make them look less classy or whatever. Granted, Bogdanovich directed To Sir With Love 2 for TV, but you never know. I'm guessing they didn't find him with a WILL DIRECT OR APPEAR IN WELLES DOCUMENTARY FOR FOOD sign on Hollywood Boulevard or anything depressing like that.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:20 (nineteen years ago) link

look at frankenheimer, people!

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm guessing they didn't find him with a WILL DIRECT OR APPEAR IN WELLES DOCUMENTARY FOR FOOD sign on Hollywood Boulevard or anything depressing like that.

Nah, he'd been holding up that "will pose as a Welles expert for larges houses and scads of money" long before that, and to great effect. I hate this guy almost as much as I hate John Landis.

Ain't That Peculiar (kenan), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:31 (nineteen years ago) link

frankenheimer is dead! (although his dna lives on in michael bay.)

he actually is kind of an expert, and he speaks well, so it makes sense that he should appear on so many documentaries and commentary tracks. unfortunately there's usually an even more interesting expert that's been passed over for old pete.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:34 (nineteen years ago) link

like who?

Ain't That Peculiar (kenan), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:41 (nineteen years ago) link

well yeah he was an expert before he was even a filmmaker! let's not forget he was one of the main americans participating in the early canonization of hawks etc.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 September 2004 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link

cats meow.
one of the more venal and elegant bashings of traditional hollywood morality, and proof (if you needed more after bring it on and spiderman) that kristen dunst is one of the better actresses coming out of the last few years, esp. irt the sticky intraceable tendrils of desire (shoot me for the last sentence please)

+ eddie izzard is in it and how can one not like eddie izzard, eddie izzard is a fucking genius.

anthony, Saturday, 25 September 2004 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I love kirsten dunst, eddie izzard, but I thought cats meow was paper thin and very dull.

adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 25 September 2004 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

2nded, adam. It was boring, talky, and pointless.

{Sand in the [vaseline} on the lens] (x Jeremy), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
indefensible.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 02:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Dude did a really ace Hitchcock impression when he introduced North by Northwest for TCM. So he was a fanboy, big deal-- Blount OTM.

Chris F. (servoret), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link

This is Orson Welles more than makes up for his mediocre films. He's not particularly exciting (and not a great critic) but I'm much happier having him as a bland go-to-"expert" on ye old Hollywood than some asshole Paulette or a hack culture critic.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Or fucking David Thomson!

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:45 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, the orson welles book is fantastic, tho the audio version sadly doesn't include OW yelling "everything you believe is balls! BALLS!" at cybill shepherd over breakfast. i think last picture show is a little overrated, it looks beautiful but it's kind of boring to watch. but i love targets and the thing called love (a nearly perfect movie) so he's not all bad by any means.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:10 (eighteen years ago) link

He's okay on the Sopranos.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:19 (eighteen years ago) link

DS was stabbed, by the way.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Targets was amazing and totally fun. I perhaps believe the rumor the Polly Platt was his better half and his career was downhill after they split.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Any love for Texasville? A friend maintains it's better than TLPS.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

the audio version sadly doesn't include OW yelling
Then I don't suppose it has him starting a fire with a lit cigar in his bathrobe pocket either.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

on tcm's "the essentials" he appears WITHOUT AN ASCOT

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I believe that you are right, amst. But then surely a clever cameraman has to cover for the missing ascot.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

no way is texasville better than the last picture show! that's just someone have fun being contrary. it's underrated, though, in that it was branded one of the biggest-ever turkeys and it really isn't. it's just kind of a sad mess considering its pedigree.

Or fucking David Thomson!

argh! otm. my dislike for him continues to grow.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

him and friedkin are responsible for like 70% of any fun you get from reading e-z riders n ragin bullz

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:15 (eighteen years ago) link

PB comes off as a real dick in that book!

actually everyone does, come to think of it.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:26 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

http://blogs.indiewire.com/peterbogdanovich/

Blogdanovich!

funky house skeptic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Man will never give up his Ascots, will he.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link

They shall pry them from his cold, dead dewlaps.

Aimless, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link

The guru has started another blog.

redd cool card-pitt (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm seeing him introduce Citizen Kane in a couple of weeks--just for the thrill of hearing him namedrop "Orson" every other sentence.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link

i wonder what orson welles' blog would've been called. Roseblog?

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Enjoyed him on the Dick Cavett show circa 1971 surrounded by Robert Altman, Mel Brooks, and Frank Capra. And yes, he was wearing his snappy Cary Grant garden party leisure wear.

Josefa, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link

I have a certain nostalgic fondness for the original 1972 Elaine May-Neil Simon comedy, THE HEARTBREAK KID (available on DVD), which goes beyond the darkly hilarious film itself, because at the time of its making and release I was living with one of the stars, Cybill Shepherd. This warm feeling only increased with the publication of Cybill’s memoirs (Cybill Disobedience), in which there are numerous revelations—-to me, too—-about her various doings during our nine-year relationship (and, of course, before and after).

This fuckin' guy.

a seminar on ass play for kids or something (Phil D.), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link

This kills me--Bogdanovich in a nutshell:

"As the Duke was walking me back to my car, he took a shortcut, leading me through the sizeable garage..."

clemenza, Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link

I should say that I think The Last Picture Show is a fine film, although I have difficulty connecting it to Bogdanovich (other than as an assemblage of stuff borrowed from his favorite directors...think Stanley Kauffmann said the same thing way back when).

clemenza, Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Casting him as a thinly veiled Hugh Hefner on Law and Order was kind of amazing.

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 7 October 2010 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link

That episode made me laugh so much.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Thursday, 7 October 2010 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link

it's weird seeing tokyo rosemary on ILX

Tweeker Bongdanovich (admrl), Thursday, 7 October 2010 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link

these days

Tweeker Bongdanovich (admrl), Thursday, 7 October 2010 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link

hi, adamrl

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 7 October 2010 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I was down to see him introduce Citizen Kane this afternoon, with a Q & A afterwards. He's very funny at times, and every bit the blowhard I expected from all the interview footage I've seen over the years. He's got a real hate-on for Kael (not surprising), and also for Johnny Guitar (surprising--always thought that was sacrosanct among auteurists). He claims that Kael never gave him a good review after an Esquire piece he wrote in response to "Raising Kane," implying cause-and-effect, which conveniently ignores that a) Kael's review of The Last Picture Show was perfunctorily positive in a manner that almost dismissed it, and b) the later films she dumped on, most every other good critic did likewise. (Putting aside Sarris, a friend of Bogdanovich's.) He says that he expects he will finish editing Welles' The Other Side of the Wind before he checks out for "the big screening room in the sky."

clemenza, Sunday, 31 October 2010 00:13 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I watched the first half-hour of They All Laughed the other night, and I didn't.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

people hate this guy? how come?

come on this is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEQc-wtHAlw

piscesx, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

I just watched Paper Moon and it's really great. The O'Neil's work the scenes so beautifully, she's really charming, he hits that sweet spot between pushy and drippy, and there's so much beauty in the shot selection and cinematography. Beautifully efficient 1st Act too - principle characters introduced, character's established, the impetus keeping them together defined, all in 10 minutes. Sure the ending's a bit corny, but come on, it's a screwball road movie, a bit of tack never hurt anyone.

And I lolled mega-hard at Tatum smoking. Was everyone just cool with that in 1973?

get ready for the banter (NotEnough), Thursday, 29 March 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link

eight months pass...

should I go see Saint Jack w/ Gazzara tonight? 2001 DVD seems to be OOP.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 15:21 (eleven years ago) link

Thanks for that, Doctor Casino.

Here’s one of my favorite stories about him and Orson Welles

Tapioca Tumbril (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 23 January 2022 18:50 (two years ago) link

Somehow Targets had been completely off my radar until this year, and I was pretty amazed by it. Reading about the circumstances around it, it really makes a great case for setting arbitrary limits in the creative process - having to incorporate another movie's footage, with only a few days to film the star, works out wonderfully. It's probably the hackiest possible thing to call it prescient, but more than anything else, the shooter's last words as he's led away really stuck with me. And Karloff is so great, the movie's worth seeing just for his delivery of the "Appointment in Samarra" story.

JoeStork, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 07:21 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

re: that wild narrative we were just discussing, MOMA has big news:

The series concludes with the world premiere of Squirrels to the Nuts, Bogdanovich’s long unseen original edit (he called it “the Lubitsch cut”) of the 2014 romantic comedy that was taken out of his hands, recut, substantially reshot, and retitled She’s Funny That Way for a brief release.
No date/time listed yet. Maybe just not announced, or maybe (my friend speculates) it's a members-only treat. But either way, looks like it's a thing that will now be out in the world, to some extent!

The creator of Ultra Games, for Nintendo (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 26 February 2022 18:51 (two years ago) link

(also stoked to maybe catch At Long Last Love and Saint Jack, which I couldn't get myself to when they played at MOMI soon after his passing)

The creator of Ultra Games, for Nintendo (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 26 February 2022 18:58 (two years ago) link


_The series concludes with the world premiere of Squirrels to the Nuts, Bogdanovich’s long unseen original edit (he called it “the Lubitsch cut”) of the 2014 romantic comedy that was taken out of his hands, recut, substantially reshot, and retitled She’s Funny That Way for a brief release._


Pretty great retitle if you’re taking a romantic comedy from someone and recutting it tbh.

circa1916, Saturday, 26 February 2022 19:39 (two years ago) link

Now on the calendar with a seven-screening run from March 28 to April 5!

The creator of Ultra Games, for Nintendo (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 16:15 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Link to discussion of his passing on the appropriate thread: Rolling Obituary Thread 2022

The Central Rockaliser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 22:40 (two years ago) link

And oh yeah, friend who has had to watch the director's cut a few times told me it really wasn't that great as well.

The Central Rockaliser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 22:41 (two years ago) link

Now friend is telling me I should watch Dorothy Stratten’s other film, Galaxina.

The Central Rockaliser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 23:05 (two years ago) link

But Josefa hated it, so I’m torn.

The Central Rockaliser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 23:07 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Reading Ron Brownstein's Rock Me on the Water (long subtitle...), about L.A. in 1974. Brownstein probably epitomizes everything people hate about CNN, and he's not a film guy, so I'm surprised to say the film part of the book is good.

"Bogdanovich calculated that from 1952 to 1971, he saw 'something like 6,000' movies."

20 years, 300 films a year, 6 a week...pretty impressive without even home video. There are people who post in the "last X movies" thread who see even more, I think. Not me.

clemenza, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 12:49 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

Watched The Last Picture Show and Klute, both from 1971, in the last couple of days. They are so different

Dan S, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 00:32 (one year ago) link

I find Klute harder going these days. Pakula often reaches a point where he's half in love with the easeful shadows of his cinematographer.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 00:42 (one year ago) link

They were the second feature films by both directors. The Last Picture Show had a better story and better cinematography and Klute was more atmospheric, less straightforward

Dan S, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 00:46 (one year ago) link

(The best film from 1971 though is still McCabe & Mrs. Miller)

Dan S, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 00:59 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Watched Daisy Miller in conjunction with the Tarantino book and--expecting nothing--thought it was pretty good, especially the last 20 minutes or so. (As Tarantino points out, it starts out like Bogdanovich wants to show he can transform official literature into screwball comedy, and the rapid-fire dialogue feels pushy.) I don't remember Barry Brown at all from that era, and it indeed looks like he was more of a TV guy.

Jeff Bridges, Timothy Bottoms, Charles Grodin, Brown, Robert De Niro, Bogdanovich--Cybill Shepherd sure drove men around the bend in the first half of the '70s. (Add me to the list.)

clemenza, Friday, 6 January 2023 05:23 (one year ago) link

Hadn't finished the Tarantino chapter when I posted that last night...Got my answer: he committed suicide in 1978. Tarantino draws a nice analogy between Brown and the character of Daisy.

clemenza, Friday, 6 January 2023 21:10 (one year ago) link

I recently watched They All Laughed - another Tarantino recommendation - and could not fucking believe how bad it was. And I'm generally a fan of Bogdanovich. But that film does not work in any way. Colleen Camp's character in it has to be one of the most irritating creations in cinema history.

Sometimes I really just don't understand Tarantino's taste.

(New Years Resolution: try to be more positive about things)

The Tarantino book has a lot of interesting insights in it (as well as lots to disagree with).

Josefa, Friday, 6 January 2023 21:38 (one year ago) link

I saw it ages ago and didn't get much out of it.

I still have three or four chapters to go--and have to watch Escape from Alcatraz, Hardcore, and The Funhouse (I've seen the first two)--but I'm glad I took the time to read it. Introduced me to at least two good films, the two John Flynns, and got me to watch Daisy Miller, which I never would have otherwise. The writing's okay when he's not going out of his way to be crude.

clemenza, Friday, 6 January 2023 23:00 (one year ago) link

Think I mentioned upthread that I watched IThey All Laughed over and over on HBO whilst at home during a college break so I grew to like it for some reason even though yeah, it seems like a trifle. Maybe I should watch again and get back to you. Maybe I already tried that too/zingproblems

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2023 23:04 (one year ago) link

It doesn't improve on its opening sequence

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 January 2023 23:05 (one year ago) link

Can't find it. Where did I start watching it last time, I wonder? Maybe I will try to watch Saint Jack instead.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2023 23:09 (one year ago) link

It used to be on YouTube, I linked it up thread (link now dead).

RIght. That's what I figured, thanks.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2023 23:16 (one year ago) link

Still thinking about Saint Jack. Ben Gazarra is such a weirdo, I think. Maybe I am biased now based on seeing him once at a Cassavettes screening.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2023 23:17 (one year ago) link

This is on YouTube, Colleen Camp promoting the film on the radio in Cincinnati, and everything goes horribly wrong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgNjnSzM3Eg

^ Haha, well done

I found Saint Jack quite good. Just the backdrop of it alone is interesting, and then Gazzara and Denholm Elliott made an entertainingly odd couple.

Josefa, Friday, 6 January 2023 23:42 (one year ago) link

One of these days I'm gonna get around to At Long Last Love

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Saturday, 7 January 2023 00:09 (one year ago) link

I watched a Netflix-red-envelope DVD copy about a decade ago.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 January 2023 00:16 (one year ago) link

The past is a foreign country iirc

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 January 2023 00:30 (one year ago) link

haven't seen Daisy Miller, At Long Last Love, Saint Jack, or They All Laughed

but his 3 films in consecutive years from 1971 to 1973 - The Last Picture Show, What's Up Doc?, and Paper Moon - are all-time great

Dan S, Saturday, 7 January 2023 00:58 (one year ago) link

Eileen Brennan and Cloris Leachman from Picture Show are both good in Daisy Miller.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:08 (one year ago) link

I was going to add that the kid's kind of annoying, but first I looked him up, and you know who it is?--James McMurtry, who I've never heard but recognized the name right away.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:11 (one year ago) link

^^Larry's son, and future Alt-Country kingpin. Wrote one of the best W-era protest songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szclr2caFG8

Always felt part of why guy directors (Tarantino, Wes Anderson etc.) love They All Laughed is that conceptually it's kind of a platonic ideal of a film a dude would love to make: a passion project with all your buddies on board, the most of the leading ladies have been involved with you romantically, and everybody's on great terms treating NYC as a playground for grown-ups.

Makes sense.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 January 2023 03:53 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

I've seen it twice and found it a little overrated, although in meeting Corman's (?) conditions--get Karloff in there--pretty resourceful. Thought that weird animated thing from a few years ago Tower, was a better treatment of Charles Whitman.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 19:06 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Unfortunately obscure YT of the day: not streaming, not available in the U.S. since the excellent DVD (still not hard to get), here is Peter Bogdanovich's personal favorite of all his films, THEY ALL LAUGHED, w/ John Ritter, Audrey Hepburn & Ben Gazzara. https://t.co/r29M4upwY9 pic.twitter.com/HHMLWwVib1

— James Kenney (@jfkenney) June 12, 2023

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Monday, 12 June 2023 18:41 (ten months ago) link

love that movie, think of it a lot

serving aunt (stevie), Monday, 12 June 2023 19:50 (ten months ago) link

two months pass...
seven months pass...

Kino Lorber is putting out a Blu of Daisy Miller in May.


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