vaginas are not clown cars

Their tax refund must be stupendous.

The people I know w/19 kids (some adopted) are diabetes research doctors & can afford it just fine, with a basement pool and everything.

"Sex for us is like a chapstick entering the Luray Caverns at this point," said Jim Bob.

ps abbott i spent a day in twin falls ID this week and it was the weirdest town i have ever been in

ha ha "Jinger"

The list of the kids' names deserves its own poll.

God, there's nothing more revoltingly precious than naming your kids with the same letter.

OMG Twin Falls is extremely weird! The only weirder town in Id is St. Anthony (or as they call it, Sunatanee). Twin is totally the armpit of Idaho. Did you see Hell's Canyon, America's deepest canyon (next to this lady's vag)?

think the eldest kids are EVER going to have children? I'd go in for a Kenanectomy the day I turned 18 if this were my family.

Jedediah is in for a world of Indian rope burns and atomic wedgies.

One thing I find interesting about families like this, though, is that instead of the middle-class western mentality where you concentrate on giving your child every advantage to get them where you want, a lot of larger families seem to still work on the old-school model where you give kids life and feed them as best you can, and then they're off and ... well, there's a life for them, and they'll do as best they can like humans everywhere.

That's a poor articulation of that, maybe.

They live in a place called TONTITOWN.

I grew up next to a lot of 11 or 12 kid families...the oldest ones always got married at like 18-20 and were having kids at quite the clip.

Michelle has been pregnant for 126 months — or 10.5 years — of her life.

Jedediah is in for a world of Indian rope burns and atomic wedgies.

he's home schooled. he knows of no other children.

Every time these people have a baby they make the news, and every time I'm confused by "Jinger." It always takes me way too much time to process that they must mean it to be pronounced like "ginger" (the spice).

These people terrify me.

And yeah, defs what Nabisco describes. Or teaching each other how to cook, dress, what teachers to take at school...practical knowledge from one another less than from the parents.

I drove through Tontitown on my moped two weeks ago. These Duggars, they are practically my neighbors.

I drove over Hell's Canyon! It was totally surprising; wasn't prepared for it at all.

But the downtown was the weirdest shit I've ever seen. Those storefronts that weren't abandoned had weirdo stores that hadn't changed their stock in 50 years.

If I were a photojournalist, Twin Falls would be a really interesting place to do portraits/street scenes.

...also, the everyone with the letter "j" thing is fucking batshit.

the Duggars have gone through an estimated 90,000 diapers

This is the kind of statistic that you can't find just anywhere.

Dude, ALL the downtowns in Idaho (save for Boise) are like that, even in the pop. 400 towns! Buildings that say "Hospital 1914" on the top and are occupied by some dry goods store that's had the same crepe paper in its window for the past 20 years and are still selling action figures from the "Dinosaurs" show.

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My Jod, how did they come up with Jinger?

"Well, you can call me Jay..."

I can't really fathom how people do it, but I do find something about that notion of child-having kind of great! I mean, it requires a deep-down belief that the basics of having a life -- growing up with your family, engaging with the world, falling in love, having your own family -- are more important and better gifts than maximizing the success of just a couple children. It seems sappy as I type it, but that's kind of a gritty optimism! It's a belief that just living a life, no matter how it turns out, is a worthwhile thing ... which is an idea that I think is strangely absent or undervalued in the middle-class US a lot of the time.

Yeah, I like it too, but a lot of times, FUCK, these kids are pooooor.

naming your kids with the same letter

I don't know, I went to school with a few of the kids from a huge family (13 or 14 kids) where all the names ended with the syllables "erry": Barry, Cary, Gary, Harry, Jerry, Mary, Perry, Terry, etc. That way, the parents didn't have to remember the kid's actual name, just get close.

Isn't this just inertia at this point?

See, I feel exactly the opposite of nabisco here, because it's not like we're running out of human beings anytime soon, but we are running out of the kinds of things that families like this tend to use up at a prodigious fucking rate. You can have the kind of thing you describe with two kids just as easily as with twenty.

lot of player hatin' on this thread

I mean, it requires a deep-down belief that the basics of having a life -- growing up with your family, engaging with the world, falling in love, having your own family -- are more important and better gifts than maximizing the success of just a couple children. It seems sappy as I type it, but that's kind of a gritty optimism!

It's funny, nabisco, 'cause my ex-wife's Breton mother was one of 17 kids, the mother of whom grew up in a house with terre battue (beaten earth) floors and barely spoke French. One kid died in Indochina, one in Algeria, one was rather retarded (I met her. She warned my ex-wife to be careful about the red skins in America.), and several otheres died from alcoholism and suicide The brood's mother was dead by her late 50's. The whole thing seemed less like gritty, Protestant optimism and more like obscurantist, peasant fatalism with a nice overlay of some weird kind of French gothic decadence.

If she had been willing to shell out just a little bit more for the Wallogina model, she could have saved herself quite a bit of time.

wonder how much a 7000sq ft home in rogers, arkansas costs

Phil D OTM

LET'S FIND OUT!

xp

http://homes.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?mindt=1%2f1%2f0001+12%3a00%3a00+AM&maxdt=12%2f31%2f9999+11%3a59%3a59+PM&source=a15696&ctid=1140&ml=3&typ=5&sid=38aae90216b64f41a64c5fc12a404d6b&pg=155&lid=1070364777&lsn=1550&srcnt=1557

messy.

approx 7K ft sq on .5 acres (!!!!!!!) of land for 2M. 5 total bedroom(s), 5 total bath(s), 4 total full bath(s), 2 total half bath(s)

lot of player hatin' on this thread

-- da croupier, Friday, August 3, 2007 10:52 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

lol!

You can't really have the same thing with two kids, Phil, because then you have only given two people life, and you could do it with more -- even with Michael's example, I think the optimism lies more in thinking that the fact of someone having a life at all is an extraordinary thing, and worthwhile even if it consists of much struggle or unextraordinary results. Here is life, go forth into it, etc.

I am not saying I recommend this, or that families couldn't comfortably live up to that around like 8 births -- just that I find it an interesting mentality to find in the western world, and there are notions in there that are worthwhile. People often talk about the economic reasons families in the third world have lots of children, but possibly leave out this mentality, where just having a child and sending him/her forth into the world is a thing in itself, just so long as you can feed it.

Seventeen still beats all, but my parents both come from families hovering around the 10-children point -- and on at least one side of the family, the idea of random east-African farmers having a bunch of kids and half of them winding up college professors in the US offers some slight recommendation to this sort of thing not always ending in misery. The thing is, even if all of those children hadn't lucked out, had died of childhood diseases or become random east-African farmers of even smaller plots, I'm not sure I'd describe it as some awful fatalism for my grandparents to have just been happy they had kids who saw the world for a while and struggled like everyone else.

That's probably not a good avenue of comparison, though, because in the third world the only real question is whether you can feed the child or not -- the west offers opportunities to invest in the child, to offer better education and buy things that make him/her happy, and so on...

Anyway, rest assured I am not saying this is a wonderful plan, just that there's some kind of faith and optimism somewhere in there that I, umm, find touching and admire, from a great great distance.

More must pass on our awesome, awesome genes!!!

xp - but that house is in Little Rock, which is almost like civilization.

Looking at the mom and one of the eldest girls, is this the actual family from the "Vagina, it's not a clown car"? photo? That pic was around in 2003 and I think there were 13 kids on it then, so that might be about right...

http://www.foxnews.com/images/303007/0_61_080307_17Kids.jpg

I like how the older kids are all smiles and the young ones are like "BEWARE BEWARE"

http://cache.bordom.net/images/f4417fa96d0de8973a80bf49624aadce.jpg

looks about right

Oh god is it that family? Hahaha.

An Apostolic Lutheran family near where I grew up was rumored to have had 23 kiddos. That's like two soccer teams plus a ref.

Is it evem good for the body to have that many children? Eep.

does that really matter?

People from that denomination were widely known to drive big 12 or 15-passenger vans to hold all the kids. If you drove by one of the churches you'd see it wasn't necessarily an inaccurate stereotype.

Oh god a friend of mine posted a mini-rant on Facebook about how selfish this family is and how awful it is when the world is overpopulated as it is. Wow, I could never have anticipated the virtiol she got for that, like I've never seen so many torqued off women angrily firing off missives in ALL CAPS about "how dare you dictate how many children a family has" blah blah.

Well, label any set of people for being 'selfish', particularly on Facebook, and that's what will happen.

It was more just the quantity and the tone of the responses that surprised me.

There are reasons against having a lot of kids, but ultimately it is up to the couple to decide the amount of kids they have (or not have). It is their choice. I would not ever want to be in her place. I love kids, but I would never have 20 kids. There's a limit (in my opinion): you can only give so much attention. I remember my gran once saying that her mother had way too many and that it must have been hell raising'em all. (About 12 in total.) My cousin said she felt lost out since she has about 5 siblings (?).

One thing my wife and I have in common is if you go back a few generations, there's one family that had a large number of children. Making the 'family tree' chart unmanageably wide.

I think Queen Victoria had a few kids yeah?

Anyway, back to the clown cars... or is it, um,

Well I'm certainly not advocating some government mandate on number of children allowed per family, but I'm more bothered by the idea behind these super Christian "breeders" who are driven by the need to populate the earth with more "good Christians". That doesn't seem like a valid reason to continue having kids.

Thing is, if you have too large a family, there's nobody in town you are allowed to shag marry.

I still think Michelle probably has a pregnancy fetish.

I despise these people

Oh god a friend of mine posted a mini-rant on Facebook about how selfish this family is and how awful it is when the world is overpopulated as it is. Wow, I could never have anticipated the virtiol she got for that, like I've never seen so many torqued off women angrily firing off missives in ALL CAPS about "how dare you dictate how many children a family has" blah blah.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, November 9, 2011 10:08 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

Your friend is right. These people are disgusting and irresponsible and in this day in age there really is no good justification for having an excessively large family but I'm not surprised that she got shit for saying that. I've gotten shit for voicing similar myself from people who get either really defensive or assume that automatically means I'm in favor of laws restricting the number of kids someone can have which, of course, I'm not.

It's kind of understandable to be defensive if people are telling parents of large families they, morally, shouldn't have had one or more of the children they obviously love. It's such an emotive argument, and one expressed so badly online in a lot of cases, i can see why people might snap back even when it's a legitimate point sensitively made.

Well, yeah.

I am not in favor of laws restricting how many children a woman can have which is precisely why I feel very free to voice my opinion that ppl who have large broods make me wonder about their psychological state and make me question how much real thought they've given to the actual lives of their kids.

My ex-wife's mother was one of 17 kids; very Catholic peasant stock. It's weird how many can die and there's still a huge family.

The parents of these excessively large families seem to be addicted to the process of having babies. It's like Logan's Run, but once a child reach the age of 3, the kid is suddenly transformed into the caretaker of the next kid. Mom & Dad must be delegating a hell of a lot to make time for all that baby making.

really only need to schedule time once every 9-12 months.

Hmm, so while preg and during b-feeding, no 'eggs' are released, right?

So, does that process of having an enormous amount of kids put off the menopause?

Hmm, so while preg and during b-feeding, no 'eggs' are released, right?

I wouldn't rely on the second half of that statement

I'm not.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/religious-right-leader-sued-sexual-battery-treating-young-follower-personal-sex-object

In a bombshell lawsuit that exposes the shocking ways women are treated in the Quiverfull movement — the patriarchal program popularized by the Duggar family and its TLC reality show 19 Kids and Counting — attorneys representing Lourdes Torres have revealed details of the abuse she received from Doug Phillips of Vision Forum.

The lawsuit [PDF], which includes counts of sexual battery and assault, details the “inappropriate, unwanted, and immoral sexual acts committed by Douglas Phillips against Ms. Torres,” noting that Phillips “methodically groomed Ms. Torres” since she was 15 years old “so that she would eventually participate in illicit sexual rendezvous with him promising that she could one day marry him” and “repeatedly told Torres that this was possible because his wife, Beall Phillips, was going to die soon.”

Phillips, one of the most prominent leaders of the Quiverfull movement, last year admitted to having “a lengthy, inappropriate relationship with a woman.” Phillips is extremely close to the Duggar family. In 2010, Torres was featured at the end of a video message at Phillips’ “Baby Conference” thanking Michelle Duggar, to whom Phillips had presented a “Mother of the Year” award.

- See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/religious-right-leader-sued-sexual-battery-treating-young-follower-personal-sex-object#sthash.t9YQCPrI.dpuf

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/168000-lifepetition-supporting-the-duggars-surpasses-anti-duggar-petition-t

https://www.lifesitenews.com/petitions/defend-the-duggar-family

"liberal extremists" have a problem with clown car mom opposing a transgender bill.

Josh Duggar, one of the members of the family that stars in TLC's "19 Kids and Counting" ... was the subject of a police investigation for allegedly sexually molesting 5 girls, some of whom are his sisters.
The story was broken by In Touch Weekly, but TMZ has confirmed with law enforcement that Josh Duggar -- who was around 14 at the time -- was the alleged molester against 5 girls starting in 2002.
According to the police report, Josh fondled the genitals and breasts of the girls, some of whom were sleeping, but sometimes they were interacting with him ... in one case reading a book.
There was another reported incident 9 months later. According to the police report, the police were not immediately contacted. Instead, Jim Bob, the dad, met with church elders and agreed Josh should be put in a treatment program. The police report says Josh's mom, Michelle, said it wasn't really a treatment center ... they simply sent Josh to a guy who was remodeling a building to do manual labor.
In 2006, the family was scheduled to appear on "Oprah," and before the show someone sent an email to Harpo warning that Josh had molested girls. Harpo forwarded the email to a hotline, which triggered a police investigation.
Cops wanted to question Josh, but Jim Bob lawyered him up and Josh declined the invitation.
Josh, who is now 27, apparently cannot be charged because the statute of limitations has run.
As for the Duggars, one of the family members told investigators, "this entire incident had brought the family closer to God" ... this according the police report.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-sex-scandal-sexually-molested-minor-girls-sisters-19-kids-and-counting-tlc/#ixzz3anqo2BCB

assholes tried to cover it up and endangered any kids this asshole anti-gay activist came in contact with.

I like how they sent him to a state trooper they knew for a stern talking to - and that state trooper is now doing 56 years in prison on child porn charges

oh how that "stern talk" must have gone

When Josh returned, the Duggars still did not contact authorities. Instead, they took him to Arkansas State Trooper Jim Hutchens's home. He was a Duggar family friend. According to the report, Hutchens did not take any official action and instead gave Josh a "very stern talk." In Touch reports that Hutchens is now serving 56 years in prison for child pornography.

Stern talking to: "Don't get caught"

really surprised this thread wasn't started by D@n P3rry

Show cancelled

xp: it was started by someone who went to my high school, is that close enough?

Show cancelled

just when things were gettin good!

still marvelin at the state trooper thing. "Let's send Josh over to Jim's house - he uh, seems like he's had some experience with this kind of thing"

InToich stripping meat from bone regarding the interview: http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggar-interview-7-crucial-facts-they-didn-t-tell-you-the-cover-up-continues-59917

http://www.nbc12.com/story/29246186/there-she-goes-again-sarah-palin-says-youre-spitting-on-american-soldiers-graves-by-criticizing-the-duggars

I knew ILX would have a thread about this story, I just had no idea it would be titled "vaginas are not clown cars."

Not least because "clown car" implies accommodating numerous individuals simultaneously, not in succession.

At the circus, clown car arrives, clown gets out followed by another clown, then another, until an unfeasible amount of clowns have alighted from the vehicle.

There. Who says analysing comedy kills the humour?

But then the oldest clown starts molesting the younger ones.

Not least because "clown car" implies accommodating numerous individuals simultaneously, not in succession.

― ed.b, Saturday, June 6, 2015 10:48 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nobody said the duggars don't have vivid imaginations.

hey guys, good news! my friend from college who was kind of religious who then married a really religious dude and got into the whole "quiverfull" thing woke up and got divorced! it only took four or five kids, but then she apparently was like "whoa dude I am not having any more kids, i'm out of here"

Josh Duggar has been arrested for receiving and possessing child sexual abuse material. Haven't thought about these guys in a while.

I knew ILX would have a thread about this story, I just had no idea it would be titled "vaginas are not clown cars."

― Mr. Snrub, Friday, June 5, 2015 7:36 PM bookmarkflaglink

full-on belly laugh

Misread thread title as vaginas are not clown ears
And now I’m kinda done