― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.
when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.
i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.
― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.
Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
dude i was like fifteen ...
― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?
― Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
― webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?
― Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.
What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.
― Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink
* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)
― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.
― Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.
― ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (ten years ago) Permalink
a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about
― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (ten years ago) Permalink
also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT
― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (ten years ago) Permalink
We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.
― nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (ten years ago) Permalink
i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.
― bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (ten years ago) Permalink
you should have been more intimidated by their allowances
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (ten years ago) Permalink
and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (ten years ago) Permalink
that is correct i am calling you bustas out
what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet
― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (ten years ago) Permalink
haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.
i think it's really fun now though.
― bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (ten years ago) Permalink
ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (ten years ago) Permalink
people should all be blown up
in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players
― max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (ten years ago) Permalink
i was obviously a magic player
green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering
― max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (ten years ago) Permalink
― deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (ten years ago) Permalink
if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things
― deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (ten years ago) Permalink
I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (ten years ago) Permalink
god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course
― brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (ten years ago) Permalink
my best nerd days are ahead of me still.
― bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (ten years ago) Permalink
mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (ten years ago) Permalink
i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50
― max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (ten years ago) Permalink
and my color selections were more noise
haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.
― burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (ten years ago) Permalink
blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.
― deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (ten years ago) Permalink
i had two revised royal assassins
maybe more, hell if i remember
― deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (ten years ago) Permalink
at my 10th bday party i beat the rich kid in magic even tho i had no allowance, i had birthday money and was a HUSTLER with trades
― deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:12 (ten years ago) Permalink
i think sometimes i threw in some green too, but only if u could throw all mana down first turn and i would use it solely for my force of nature
― deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (ten years ago) Permalink
i have a shivan dragon signed by the lady what painted it ;_;
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:25 (ten years ago) Permalink
Went 3-5, felt like I got pretty unlucky overall, wasn't super outplayed or anything. Most of my matches went to G3. My friends who decided not to wimp out and stuck with that mono white vampires deck we were brewing ended up doing pretty well (8-2 in matches) and were all over the coverage. That deck really isn't that good though, I've played like 15 leagues with it.
― iatee, Saturday, 4 November 2017 01:38 (two months ago) Permalink
I mean it's okay. But they def had good hands and the deck has some real bad ones.
― iatee, Saturday, 4 November 2017 01:39 (two months ago) Permalink
Oh cool, that was your team? That's rad!
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Saturday, 4 November 2017 01:46 (two months ago) Permalink
PTs don't have a day 2 cutoff anymore, right? Good luck tomorrow, you can still place well
― Vinnie, Saturday, 4 November 2017 01:54 (two months ago) Permalink
no, 4-4's the cut off :(
my draft deck was a pretty good but not insane merfolk deck - a 2-1 deck that I 1-2d with. my only rare was the control magic, but I had a lot of cheap creatures and 4 run agrounds. merfolk seemed pretty open but I opened poorly. I won r1 vs ur pirates, getting him with the +5/+5 spell out of nowhere. lost to legion's landing r2g1 and got color screwed r2g3. lost to a ub deck that splashed sunbird's invocation r3 - just got buried in card advantage.
with monored I won the mirror pretty cleanly r4, lost to black cartouche on a hydra out of 4c energy r5, lost a close mirror r6 where my opponent mulling helped him get his hazoret online first. r7 lost again to 4c energy, actually beat a cartouche g2 but g3 he just had too many good cards. and won my pride match r8 vs esper reanimator.
I got to play magic arena, which was pretty cool. I think it'll be big.
― iatee, Saturday, 4 November 2017 03:21 (two months ago) Permalink
this was my draft deck:
2 Jungle Delver2 Shaper Apprentice2 Shipwreck Looter2 Ixalli's Keeper1 Atzocan Archer1 Sailor of Means1 Vineshaper Mystic1 Ravenous Daggertooth1 Tempest Caller1 Jade Guardian1 Prosperous Pirates4 Run Aground1 River Herald's Boon1 Entrancing Melody1 Emergent Growth1 Chart a Course1 Crash the Ramparts8 Forest 8 Islands
― iatee, Saturday, 4 November 2017 16:13 (two months ago) Permalink
my friend who played our mono-w brew ended up 22nd, I kinda feel a tinge of regret for not being ballsy enough to play it and instead didn't even convert my safe-choice-deck into d2. he did get very lucky and knew it - every time he was on camera he had insane draws and not the 3 legions conquistador 4 plains hands. I think I maybe underrated how good the deck is against temur. I just wasn't winning online but he went 6-1 vs temur in the end, so at the very least it's probably favored. we noticed that pros were way better at figuring out how to play the matchup than everyone else. unsurprisingly I guess. anyway, I had fun, maybe one day when I have more time I'll try to grind my way back on.
― iatee, Sunday, 5 November 2017 22:01 (two months ago) Permalink
glad to hear you had an ok time. its so hard to q for a pt i wish it were a little more rewarding to play one although ive never q'd for anywhere good, which might change things
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Monday, 6 November 2017 03:28 (two months ago) Permalink
boy i hope iconic masters is fun
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 14:09 (two months ago) Permalink
ixalan draft hasn't been horrendous, it was just shallow. there were fun elements for sure, and games played out well more often than i'd have expected, but the experience of actually drafting was really bad. the only draft strategy was to try not to trainwreck. on reflection, i do think i liked 3x amonkhet even less, the big difference being the games played poorly in that format. up to amonkhet i was definitely still in that noobish phase of any limited is good limited but that format broke me out of that, and i had no compunction about just quitting on ixalan and doing something else.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 14:24 (two months ago) Permalink
i haven't loved any of the masters sets in draft yet, theyve all ended up being 5-10 different "on rails" synergy decks except MM3 which was just horribly unbalanced in favor of UBx control
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 14:25 (two months ago) Permalink
i liked mm2 a lot but it definitely fit that description. i ended up lukewarm on mm3 and vm. i wish i had played mm1, that seems to be the one that gets the most positive mentions.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 14:31 (two months ago) Permalink
I think ixalan ended up being a pretty bad format. in the end everyone just realized that you wanted to be playing bogles.
― iatee, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 14:42 (two months ago) Permalink
i did my first draft in a few weeks a couple days ago and an opponent played the 4/3 2 drop, one with the wind turn 3, mark of the vampire turn 4, and i died with ixalan's binding in hand and no fourth land. a truly fitting final memory of the format.
looked thru the iconic masters cardset again and altho there are clear themes they are not anything like as deliberate or synergy heavy as we have seen previously. hopefully a positive sign.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 14:51 (two months ago) Permalink
Basically the more transparent a set is about having you pick from a menu of strategies, the less I like it. Tribal sets like Ixalan are the worst offenders here
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 14:55 (two months ago) Permalink
an opponent played the 4/3 2 drop, one with the wind turn 3, mark of the vampire turn 4
These are the games of this format that I hate, but I don't think they're all like that. Maybe one in four. This set plays a bit better than I first thought, though drafting is boring
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:27 (two months ago) Permalink
played a bunch of IMA over the weekend. it's good. v much less on rails than other masters sets
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 20 November 2017 14:36 (two months ago) Permalink
The Immortal Sun6Legendary Artifact
Players can't activate Loyalty abilities of Planeswalkers.
At the beginning of your draw step, draw an additional card.
Spells you cast cost 1 less to cast.
Creatures you control get +1/+1.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 20 November 2017 20:59 (two months ago) Permalink
cube staple at the very least
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 20 November 2017 21:00 (two months ago) Permalink
presumably they put all of their energy into making this weird ass set play really well because they appear to have invested no effort at all into design aesthetics or flavour. case in point, this 'blood sun' card is p revolting next to the beautiful design of blood moon, but i imagine it will play much much better.
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 5 January 2018 17:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink
urzatron decks certainly like it since it turns off ghost quarter but not their bullshit
― ciderpress, Friday, 5 January 2018 17:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i loled when i saw the squadron hawk vampire in the card gallery again
― ciderpress, Friday, 5 January 2018 17:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink
have any of you sold off a lot of cards at once and what channel did you do it through? i don't really play irl constructed anymore and don't want to own 2k worth of modern cards
― ciderpress, Friday, 5 January 2018 17:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink
ive buylisted stuff at GPs before and it was always a pretty good process - once with scg once with face to face and once with some smaller midwestern vendor. i sent them a list of what i had (or in scg's case used their on-line trade tool) and indicated which gp i'd be at. in general i got like 75-80% of what id have gotten selling directly to other players but i got paid in cash and it took very little time
― (° . ° )― (Lamp), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink
I've sent a bunch of cards to cardkingdom and was always pretty happy w/ their grading. I think you probably get worse prices at a GP because people who are dumping cards are more willing to take whatever. kinda case by case though, sometimes vendors at events have very good buylist prices for random cards.
― iatee, Friday, 5 January 2018 21:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink
― ciderpress, Monday, 15 January 2018 15:57 (one week ago) Permalink
― frogbs, Monday, 15 January 2018 16:37 (one week ago) Permalink
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 15 January 2018 17:06 (one week ago) Permalink
okay I don't keep up with Standard at all but wtf at banning those four cards specifically. how the hell is that land ban worthy ??? Attune w/ Aether? wow
― frogbs, Monday, 15 January 2018 17:19 (one week ago) Permalink
my guess is that event attendance is way down and ixalan has sold like shit to the point where they're okay doing heavy handed stuff to make it relevant. i don't know anyone who's actually played this standard willingly. anecdotally pretty much all my mtg friends and acquaintances have tuned out and are waiting to see what happens with dominaria
― ciderpress, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:27 (one week ago) Permalink
'ban-worthy' is all context dependent here. they're trying to allow the decks to still exist in a nerfed version, not necessarily kill the best cards.
it does feel like they have completely changed the philosophy when it comes to the standard ban-list though. it used to be 'uh well I guess memory jar probably shouldn't...be a magic card' whereas now they're willing to ban pushed but not broken cards just to tweak the standard environment in one direction or another. eg none of the current banlist is even played in modern.
― iatee, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:28 (one week ago) Permalink
I don't know if these bans will fix Standard, but they make sense to me. These cards allowed energy and mono red to ignore the natural drawbacks of their colors/archetypes. Attune allowed you to play a 3+ color deck while skimping on lands, which meant you could cram in more ridiculously powerful spells, plus it powered up your energy. Any multicolor strategy that didn't use Attune just felt bad by comparison because it was forced to pack in more lands and was still less consistent. Rogue Refiner gives you free card advantage and enegry accrual on a stick. The only way to stop Attune and Refiner is through countermagic, which never feels good because then you waste critical answers for finishers like Hydra or Scarab God. So, in most cases, they are just free spells with basically zero opportunity cost.
Red has similar problems. A red deck traditionally must win in the early game and would be outclassed if a game extends for a long time. Key weaknesses for red decks are mana flood and lifegain. Ruins invalidated mana flood and gave a way to win in the late game that was nearly impossible to stop. Weirdly, mono red decks often play more lands now than energy decks, which should be an indication of how messed up things have been. Ferocidon is more controversial, it takes away lifegain, but is also pretty easy to kill. I think mostly it was killing off go-wide and token strategies. Apparently it was created to fix the Saheeli combo, but then that got banned and only the hoser remained.
So again, Standard may just be swapping one set of problems for another. I think Scarab God, in particular, is only going to get more obnoxious in U/B decks. But I think these cards were having a unhealthy impact on the format.
― Moodles, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:30 (one week ago) Permalink
I get that these were popular decks and the bans are going to cause a lot of invested players to be unhappy. For me, Standard over the last few months has been a grindy nightmare. I stayed away from both Attune and mono red decks, and instead spent my time beating my head against the wall with control variants and Grixis midrange. Both seem like they should be decent options, but the just don't have the consistency of energy and red. I've gotten really burned out on Standard, so I hope that these changes are a shot in the arm for the format. We'll see.
On a more positive note, this weekend I played some Modern burn for the first time in many months and did a couple prereleases. Both were really fun and a breath of fresh air. With Modern, it was just nice to have games that ended in a reasonable amount of time instead of the endless grind of Standard. With the prerelease, I think they've made a big improvement from the misery of Ixalan sealed. I put together a couple fun decks that did a bunch of interesting things and had fun playing with them. I'm now considering going to GP Houston to try my hand at some more Rivals sealed.
― Moodles, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:37 (one week ago) Permalink
even though standard is (was?) pretty bad, I wonder how much of this is due to the magic growth plateau'ing and wizards freaking out. there were some other pretty terrible standards in recent history (pack rat...) and they seemed to be okay with waiting them out.
― iatee, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:37 (one week ago) Permalink
One big mistake they made was abandoning the twice per year rotation before really testing it out. Kaladesh was supposed to be rotating out in a couple months, but got an extra 6 months of life, which just seems too long for such an overpowered set.
With that said, I'm seeing a lot of people saying that Kaladesh is one of the all-time worst sets, and I have to strongly disagree. I think it is a truly great set that felt like a really fun change from the tentacle-fest of Battle and Shadows blocks. It had great design, lots of fun new mechanics and a ton of interesting cards. Unfortunately, too much of the set was ridiculously overpowered. I hope all these bans do not discourage WOTC from going out on a limb with design innovations in the future.
― Moodles, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:46 (one week ago) Permalink
yea I like the idea of sucking it up and rushing good counterstrategies into the next set. would really bother me to get invested in a deck and then be told that the deck isn't banned outright, but will get like 25% weaker. that's the sort of thing that would make me quit playing for a while.
― frogbs, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:56 (one week ago) Permalink
pack rat standard at least had a healthy 2nd tier of decks that weren't far behind the pack rat deck and the thassa deck - i played the red devotion deck to good success in that one as it had a favorable black matchup and non-terrible blue matchup if played correctly. standard is always going to have 1-3 consensus best decks just due to the nature of competitive play, and that's okay, but good standard formats will have those angles and openings for other decks to exploit and i'm not sure we've had as much of that since kaladesh
― ciderpress, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:59 (one week ago) Permalink
as cliche as the '5 factions' (or 4 in ixalan case) set structure has become, i think it's secretly acted as a failsafe for a long time against decks like energy or affinity dominating standard, as it prevents linear decks from getting too high a percentage of the format's real estate
― ciderpress, Monday, 15 January 2018 20:19 (one week ago) Permalink
too bad Ixalan failed to do that
― Moodles, Monday, 15 January 2018 20:22 (one week ago) Permalink
Lol four cards banned, huh? Well, I would love Standard to be fixed, but given the history of the last year, some other deck will become the new best deck soon enough. I liked this article about what can be done to fix Standard: http://www.starcitygames.com/article/36311_How-To-Fix-Standard.html
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 02:00 (six days ago) Permalink
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 19 January 2018 21:04 (three days ago) Permalink
mtg is one of those things where 'weird mtg' is for normies and normal mtg is for weirdos
― ciderpress, Friday, 19 January 2018 23:04 (three days ago) Permalink
^^^^ so otm
― davey, Saturday, 20 January 2018 02:41 (two days ago) Permalink