Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

Has one of the host guys abandoned his shtick of going "I'm definitley with you on that, that's a great point" to every fucking thing QT says, even if he's directly disagreeing with him?

They're kinda like that most of the time anyway, nerds who don't want to have negativity in their show at all. But yes (I'm an hour in) you do need to apply a slight mental obsequity filter.

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Maybe the 20-hour version includes a segment on Chappaquiddick from a month earlier, with the Mod Squad saving not only Mary Jo Kopechne's life but Ted Kennedy's presidential aspirations.

lol, envisioning "Quentin Tarantino's Quantum Leap."

Wow these podcast hosts are such sycophants.

Yeah, Edgar Wright and Empire podcast host dude were better at reigning Tarantino in a bit.

One concerning thing I've taken on from these podcasts is that QT praises scenes from his own movies with the same amount of energy and awe that he gives to his fav films by others - and I do think he's illuminating on those.

I'm not sure how he can top Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, makes sense he'd seriously consider stopping now.

Another Pulp Fiction

does this mean the Star Trek movie isn't happening?

don't need to hear Bones saying the n-word thank you very much

Yeah he's not directing it

He referred to Once Upon a Time as the "climax" of his career, so I've been thinking his 10th & last will be smaller scale, maybe only half a dozen characters, limited setting(s). Can't do Kill Bill vol. 3 or his Wuxia movie or another Corbucci homage or the Vega Brothers. Only precedent in his career is Jackie Brown -- something like that, not an epic, just a kickass cool movie, maybe a little more muted. Because he's going to end before he hits 60, I also doubt his last film will be preoccupied with aging/friends and loved ones dying as so many final films do. Maybe it'll be closer to a stage play, leading him into the next phase of his career.

I still like Death Proof. Make another movie under 2 hours, Quentin!

La Jetee 2

He’s absolutely going to make an 11th movie, c’mon

cancel this fuck

we keep trying

No

He’s absolutely going to make an 11th movie, c’mon

― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Saturday, June 5, 2021 1:48 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah dude loves cinema way too much to be out of it for an extended period of time.

I could see him just pulling a Lynch and making teevee

he made that CSI two-parter — which was really good imo

He made a memorable Itchy & Scratchy too

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He has a point about directors' final films, and he's been saying this since at least Django press. I don't think he's going to make an 11th movie.

I can think of plenty of directors who had great final films, or that at least sustained quality.

Such as

Since he started going on podcasts, he's said that if he'd had them when he was 20 he'd never have made his own films. He now has a wife and kid, programs several dozen movies for audiences every month, is starting an archival blu-ray label, will soon see whether there's a commercial audience for his novels and/or film criticism, has not just plans but scripts for at least one TV series, plans for expanded or miniseries cuts of two of his features, will be solidly into his sixties by the end of a theoretical tenth feature's promotional cycle, and can go on podcasts whenever he likes. Getting easier to believe he'd stay quit now.

One concerning thing I've taken on from these podcasts is that QT praises scenes from his own movies with the same amount of energy and awe that he gives to his fav films by others

Plenty of aspects of his public behaviour can be obnoxious but this one is just heartening imo. He puts out movies he's happy with! He's only wrong about one of them.

A lot of the usual suspects when it comes to auteurs. I loved Saraband, Autumn Afternoon, the Sacrifice, Rouge, Voyage to India etc. Saw a few of Satyajit Ray’s last films recently and they are all really good, same for Takahata.

Maybe there’s a bunch of american filmmakers I am not thinking of, but on the top of my head, it isn’t the case for Ford, Sirk and Wilder. Cassavetes has a good example of a bad last film.

I'm actually stunned that Tarantino didn't mention Imitation to Life, that might be the best example, maybe he's not a fan.......? (somehow???)

I actually haven't seen 7 Women or Buddy, Buddy but their partisans are few... and, to QT's point, several of their preceding films were bad. Not even "bad," but Cheyenne Autumn is clearly no Liberty Valance, and no I don't think Fedora is good. Avanti! is already long in the tooth. All of these directors, Hawks too, never thought of retiring or giving up... Ford especially, who would've done a pilot in 1970 if not for his health.

Not even "bad," but Cheyenne Autumn is clearly no Liberty Valance

Ford was almost 70 when he made Liberty Vallance and had made dozens and dozens of movies. He wouldn't have even made The Searchers if he had retired at the age Tarantino is now.

To be fair late work does tend to be a problem for the kind of genre directors I imagine are more on Tarantino's mind than, say, Satyajit Ray or Douglas Sirk - not many defenders of late period Corbucci, Argento, John Carpenter, Jack Hill. Fukusake had a late career renaissance I guess. Also these director's fortunes much more dependent on the whims of their respective industries.

How many (healthy) career directors have announced that a film will be their last, and kept to that? Kieslowski and Tarr are the only ones coming to mind.

Also these director's fortunes much more dependent on the whims of their respective industries.

― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, June 6, 2021 5:20 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

and perhaps this is a big part of Tarantino's decision today.

So we're not getting a QT Joker movie?

I think its open to him *playing* the joker tbf

Batman: I've disarmed the bomb. Now to free Robin.

Robin (in gimp outfit): Mmm. Mmp! Vtmnnn!

Batman: Hold still, Robin. Did Joker hurt you?

Joker (Samuel L. Jackson): Oh, he's ok, Batman. I just gave him a foot massage.

The great directors get great with age. Tarantino's two best movies are Jackie Brown and Hollywood, so I guess make of that what you well.

This roster will not be denied: Director's Final Films

Not even "bad," but Cheyenne Autumn is clearly no Liberty Valance

Ford was almost 70 when he made Liberty Vallance and had made dozens and dozens of movies. He wouldn't have even made The Searchers if he had retired at the age Tarantino is now.

To be fair late work does tend to be a problem for the kind of genre directors I imagine are more on Tarantino's mind than, say, Satyajit Ray or Douglas Sirk - not many defenders of late period Corbucci, Argento, John Carpenter, Jack Hill. Fukusake had a late career renaissance I guess. Also these director's fortunes much more dependent on the whims of their respective industries.

― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, June 6, 2021 5:20 AM (fourteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

It's a tough comparison for a number of reasons: Ford, like so many directors of his generation and a couple after, worked in a system that had him making 3-4 movies a year for many years. Like others, he only hits his stride in the middle, with some exceptions on both ends (standout silents like The Iron Horse, Bucking Broadway, 3 Bad Men; and late period works like Liberty Valance and Sergeant Rutledge). In a system where quantity is prized over quality at all times, QT's calculation about having "the perfect shelf" of films wouldn't be possible. You couldn't be a working director if you only made 10 movies in ~30 years. It's not just the final film for QT, it's about making sure *all* of his films are all on basically equal footing (he's said Death Proof "has to be my worst movie," so keep in mind that's his bar). Of course whether or not QT's shelf ends up being "perfect" is in the eyes of the beholder, but unless #10 is an unprecedented disaster, I see his point: in a way, it would be closer to the career of a Tarkovsky or Tati, basically all bangers with the debate being which one is "the least good," rather than the worst.

I am not the biggest Tarantino fan (but I do enjoy his films) it's just have no doubt that if he were to make a 11th or 12th it would be good, seems to me that his passion for cinema sort of guarantee quality.

Also making films take away so much from a person, there is also good non-artistic reasons to stop after awhile.

what's going on here

fanfic battles

was really not impressed in that podcast with the films he or the others chose as directors' greatest last films

it's about making sure *all* of his films are all on basically equal footing (he's said Death Proof "has to be my worst movie," so keep in mind that's his bar). Of course whether or not QT's shelf ends up being "perfect" is in the eyes of the beholder, but unless #10 is an unprecedented disaster, I see his point: in a way, it would be closer to the career of a Tarkovsky or Tati, basically all bangers with the debate being which one is "the least good," rather than the worst

Reservoir Dogs, Django Unchained and The Hateful 8 are so very incredibly far from perfect.

I'm not arguing whether or not QT has a "perfect shelf," I don't think he does, that's just his position and why he intends to stop

"perfect" is also not the word he used, he just said he wants his filmography to be all bangers, basically. also not his word

It's a tough comparison for a number of reasons: Ford, like so many directors of his generation and a couple after, worked in a system that had him making 3-4 movies a year for many years. Like others, he only hits his stride in the middle, with some exceptions on both ends (standout silents like The Iron Horse, Bucking Broadway, 3 Bad Men; and late period works like Liberty Valance and Sergeant Rutledge). In a system where quantity is prized over quality at all times, QT's calculation about having "the perfect shelf" of films wouldn't be possible. You couldn't be a working director if you only made 10 movies in ~30 years. It's not just the final film for QT, it's about making sure *all* of his films are all on basically equal footing (he's said Death Proof "has to be my worst movie," so keep in mind that's his bar). Of course whether or not QT's shelf ends up being "perfect" is in the eyes of the beholder, but unless #10 is an unprecedented disaster, I see his point: in a way, it would be closer to the career of a Tarkovsky or Tati, basically all bangers with the debate being which one is "the least good," rather than the worst.

Yes, obviously a director even having the luxury of considering his retirement for creative reasons is something that wouldn't have flown in classic Hollywood - much less in the grindhouse systems that are more relevant to Tarantino's sensibilities. Ford would have seen himself as a Man doing a Job and laughed at the idea of paying attention to his artistic ouevre (or pretended to, anyway).

But what I was getting at wasn't really to do with that: I'm saying Ford couldn't really have made Liberty Vallance in his mid career peak, because the material demands an older man with a different sensibility to direct. Same way Scorsese couldn't have made The Irishman in the 70's or Kurosawa made Dreams in the 50's.

Of course one of the main criticisms of Tarantino as a director is that his concerns are fundamentally juvenile and he doesn't really have anything to say beyond his pop culture references. Retiring now would be proving his doubters right in a way on that count.

But tbh I give his speculations on retiring as much creedence as I do yer average rapper talking on the same subject.

He's made two great films about grappling with the notion of retirement, and the emotional baggage associated with it.

But what I was getting at wasn't really to do with that: I'm saying Ford couldn't really have made Liberty Vallance in his mid career peak, because the material demands an older man with a different sensibility to direct. Same way Scorsese couldn't have made The Irishman in the 70's or Kurosawa made Dreams in the 50's.

Of course one of the main criticisms of Tarantino as a director is that his concerns are fundamentally juvenile and he doesn't really have anything to say beyond his pop culture references. Retiring now would be proving his doubters right in a way on that count.

Yet Tarantino made one movie that conveyed a more middle-aged perspective (Jackie Brown) that would seem to be beyond his emotional grasp, before talking himself out of doing it ever again. Talent and practical experience are more important in these matters than age demographics or maturity imo, especially since movies are highly collaborative. Aside from the technological limitations, Scorsese could not have made something like The Irishman in the 70s because it's a sprawling narrative that spans decades, not because he would have been incapable of depicting older characters, imo.

people always seem to forgot the obvious:

Jackie Brown was based on an Elmore Leonard book

David Lynch made The Straight Story in the middle of his career; Paul Mazursky made Harry & Tonto fairly early in his. In general, I think such films are more suited to older directors, but there are exceptions, probably quite a few.