Israel to World: "Suck It."

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I read this in the paper edition (there have been other, better NYT Op-Eds than this - and worse) but I thought it was striking that this self-consciously statesman-like essay closes with a paragraph that could easily be endorsed by both Hamas and the Israeli hard right:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/27/opinion/israel-palestinians-two-state-solution.html

An agreement will be possible when pragmatic leaders on both sides understand that the price of not having an agreement for their people is far higher than the price of compromise.

i.e. No Justice, No Peace

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 3 June 2021 09:51 (two years ago) link

Just enjoyed teh 2 part Behind the Bastards look at the Netanyahus.
Hadn't known his background much until then.

THe one on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was quite interesting too. In terms of history of European Anti-semitism

Stevolende, Thursday, 3 June 2021 09:59 (two years ago) link

Now let's hope a restrained Bennet is indeed that, restrained, and that it's a better option than Netanyahu.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 bookmarkflaglink

"Hope these people can be tolerated now"

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 3 June 2021 10:00 (two years ago) link

I heard that the widesperead attitude to palestine across Israeli politics was a lack of tolerance back a few years back when it sounded like netanyahu's position was precarious. Shame, would be nice if there was some party looking out for the marginalised.

Stevolende, Thursday, 3 June 2021 10:35 (two years ago) link

Would be good if it could be rewound to a point where the population that has been in place for the previous centuries weren't being marginalised by people who moved into their space supposedly to avoid persecution. That Behind teh Bastards podcast goes into the thought as Israel was being created and how the incoming population were consciously trying to uproot the previous population from the word go.

Stevolende, Thursday, 3 June 2021 10:56 (two years ago) link

This again is why it’s weird to me that environmentalists sometimes don’t get what occupation does. Colonialism has always been body/land violence. https://t.co/7w2LVCMt2U

— nashwa (@nashwakay) June 3, 2021

xyzzzz__, Friday, 4 June 2021 13:01 (two years ago) link

Portuguese political podcast É Apenas Fumaça, who do great work, did this interview (in English) with a member of the Breaking The Silence org. Possibly all old news for ppl who know a lot about the topic, but I found it illuminating on how the occupation works on the ground:

https://fumaca.pt/ori-givati-palestinianos-tinham-de-sentir-que-nao-podiam-levantar-a-cabeca/

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 4 June 2021 13:20 (two years ago) link

The great Nabil el-Kurd, father of Muna and Mohammed, brought a chair and is sitting outside the Israeli police station where his daughter is detained and his son being interrogated. https://t.co/NSHaXSr4DL

— لينة (@LinahAlsaafin) June 6, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 6 June 2021 20:37 (two years ago) link

Imagine being told that you have to demolish your own home that is rightfully yours or pay the government to demolish it for you. This is the literal textbook definition of ethnic cleansing. Don't turn away from IsraeI's barbarity. #SaveSilwan https://t.co/eK5TrFLpkw

— sahar 𓂆 (@faIasteeny) June 10, 2021

But Ilhan Omar's the problem.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 10 June 2021 16:40 (two years ago) link

you have to get your acts of terrorism signed off on by a court

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 10 June 2021 21:02 (two years ago) link

after 12 years, a new Prime Minister

symsymsym, Sunday, 13 June 2021 18:41 (two years ago) link

New Israeli govt is it

remember that gaza is one of the most densely populated places in the world, and almost 50% of its population are children. no words to describe the cruelty and barbarity of israel, britain and the united states https://t.co/OrCRZzIM6Q

— pez (@periuspb) June 15, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 08:58 (two years ago) link

has the IDF tweeted a bunch of balloon emoji yet?

trap door to hell opens underneath (rob), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 13:12 (two years ago) link

What Palestinians need right now is, obviously, incendiary balloons.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 19:09 (two years ago) link

What they don't need, is for their children to be killed

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 19:44 (two years ago) link

Hey I'm incendiary too, man

symsymsym, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link

I know you’re all busy talking about Matt Hancock, but 1,500 Palestinians in the al Bustan neighbourhood of Silwan are being forced to demolish their own homes, & if they don’t, their homes will be demolished in *less than 48 hours*.

Raise your voices to #SaveSilwan 🇵🇸

— Aleesha Khaliq #FreeMotasem 🇵🇸 (@a_leesha1) June 25, 2021

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 26 June 2021 10:47 (two years ago) link

Israeli forces have raided the Silwan neighborhood in occupied East Jerusalem. They turned the El Khalili Butcher shop into rubble and they plan to demolish around 100 homes in the area. They also fired teargas and rubber-coated bullets at Palestinian residents.#SaveSilwan pic.twitter.com/Hk5gtaBa7m

— Taj (@Taj_Ali1) June 29, 2021

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 29 June 2021 14:35 (two years ago) link

what is going on in east jerusalem now is insane, and the minimal coverage in the press is enough to make you feel totally hopeless.

plax (ico), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 16:06 (two years ago) link

Yup, it's amazing really.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 16:47 (two years ago) link

it seems almost impossible to discuss this with anyone who doesn't already follow it. and if you do it in any kind of institutional context you'll be sacked or reprimanded for characterising it at all accurately

Left, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 16:55 (two years ago) link

The images of people having to tear their own houses down are so harrowing

plax (ico), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 17:07 (two years ago) link

Just so obscenely vindictive

plax (ico), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 17:08 (two years ago) link

what sources do you all use to follow this stuff?

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 18:18 (two years ago) link

I don't know anywhere better than twitter unfortunately

Left, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 19:17 (two years ago) link

I was able to find some good articles about Silwan on Al Jazeera, but only by googling, not navigating from their homepage

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 19:38 (two years ago) link

there is coverage, but it can be easy to miss it as at the moment its not considered worthy of any big headlines in most media sources despite what's going on. This seems to me an appalling omission in and of itself but also because of the importance of these stories in illuminating the continuity of violence and repression that persists beyond the netanyahu era.

i think middleeasteye and al jazeera have probably done the most consistent reporting of any mainstream english language news source that I know but given the importance of citizen journalism in palestinian resistance/activism twitter does seem a particularly useful source of first-hand witnessing that you probably won't get anywhere else. Obviously it comes with the caveat that you have to be particularly careful about disinformation but given how much egregious misreporting has appeared in mainstream media I think that a suspension of credulity is always advisable!

plax (ico), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 19:39 (two years ago) link

xp that's weird, because for me they have 'Israel-Palestine conflict' permanently on their banner at the moment and that is linking to their main reporting on this

plax (ico), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 19:40 (two years ago) link

it might have something to do with your location?

plax (ico), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 19:40 (two years ago) link

no, i just didn't look at the top banner. was just scanning headlines. thanks for pointing me to it.

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 19:48 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Israel just destroyed the oldest known Canaanite cemetery in Palestine, a 4,200-year old site, to build an Israeli-settlers-only road.

This is a war crime.

The occupation regime is literally erasing Palestine’s history as the world looks on in silence. pic.twitter.com/kW17EqYVx4

— Sarah Abdallah (@sahouraxo) July 18, 2021

xyzzzz__, Monday, 19 July 2021 09:07 (two years ago) link

That appears to be a photo of Khalet al-Jam'a: https://www.timesofisrael.com/huge-canaanite-burial-ground-found-near-bethlehem/

I can find no credible sources saying it's been destroyed/bulldozed.

eisimpleir (crüt), Monday, 19 July 2021 16:54 (two years ago) link

unrelated but I thought this article was very good:

https://jewishcurrents.org/its-time-to-name-anti-palestinian-bigotry/

symsymsym, Monday, 19 July 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link

That appears to be a photo of Khalet al-Jam'a: https://www.timesofisrael.com/huge-canaanite-burial-ground-found-near-bethlehem/

I can find no credible sources saying it's been destroyed/bulldozed.

― eisimpleir (crüt), Monday, July 19, 2021 12:54 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Same. The assertion that the Israeli would bulldoze Canaanite archeological artefacts instead of using them as propaganda and justification for present Jewish presence in the land can only be made by people who have no idea about the conflict.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 19 July 2021 17:05 (two years ago) link

no idea if this is a credible source but this is a recent link? https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210716-israel-razes-largest-canaanite-cemetery-in-west-bank/

StanM, Monday, 19 July 2021 17:21 (two years ago) link

I would not trust the Palestinian Information Centre.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 19 July 2021 17:32 (two years ago) link

Israel is currently occupied with much more consequential matters

Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, in response to the decision by Ben & Jerry's:
"There are many ice cream brands, but only one Jewish state.

Ben & Jerry's has decided to brand itself as the anti-Israel ice cream.

— PM of Israel (@IsraeliPM) July 19, 2021

symsymsym, Monday, 19 July 2021 19:10 (two years ago) link

What did they do? Are they going to sell icecream with the skin still on it?

StanM, Monday, 19 July 2021 20:03 (two years ago) link

lol oh no

symsymsym, Monday, 19 July 2021 20:27 (two years ago) link

oh! thanks!

StanM, Monday, 19 July 2021 20:51 (two years ago) link

Still available in Tel Aviv.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 19 July 2021 21:07 (two years ago) link

phew!

symsymsym, Monday, 19 July 2021 21:32 (two years ago) link

ben and jerry's no longer listed as a kosher product (in Australia)

https://www.timesofisrael.com/australian-kosher-authority-delists-ben-jerrys-ice-cream-over-west-bank-ban/

normal country!

symsymsym, Wednesday, 21 July 2021 16:56 (two years ago) link

Honestly, power to Ben and Jerry's for not selling products in the Occupied Territories but as a Canadian I feel like there's also a powerful stance to take here too, but they won't, because the bottom line etc. What's the market share of the Occupied Territories? It's really just marketing of course.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 21 July 2021 17:24 (two years ago) link

i think cancellation by world zionism will be worse for ben and jerry's bottom line than doing nothing would have been.

but as a Canadian I feel like there's also a powerful stance to take here too, but they won't,

what do you mean? ben and jerry's should stop selling in Canada?

symsymsym, Wednesday, 21 July 2021 17:50 (two years ago) link

Israel's president: Ben & Jerry's boycott is part of 'a new form of terrorism' https://t.co/2y1H2WM8pL

— Haaretz.com (@haaretzcom) July 21, 2021

hope nobody is standing with the new terrorists

symsymsym, Wednesday, 21 July 2021 18:27 (two years ago) link

Lol

plax (ico), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 18:45 (two years ago) link


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