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had to read that tweet several times to make sure i understood what i was seeing

Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 22:09 (two years ago) link

That is unreal

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 3 June 2021 01:58 (two years ago) link

I thought Angela Saini's book Superior was pretty good on the history of race science and what was inherently wrong with it. Assume it's not the only one that's good and would like to know others was pretty succinct and understandable though.
But sounds like just another element of misrepresentation of ethnicity in medicine and I think especially US medicine. Up with black people don't feel pain for useful knowledge for medical practitioners or more likely not. Wonder who did the research leading to this conclusion and if they had any other agenda at all.

Stevolende, Thursday, 3 June 2021 06:46 (two years ago) link

I, too, did not realize the NFL’s racism could still shock me. Heads need to roll.

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 June 2021 12:51 (two years ago) link

I haven't watched a single NFL game in many years now. Given the possibility of the Bears having a decent QB again, I was considering watching a game or two this fall, but nope, fuck this organization forever.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 3 June 2021 14:41 (two years ago) link

Stevolende: it's been a long time since I looked at it, but Stephen Jay Gould's The Mismeasure of Man might be of interest. It's from 1981, so I'm not sure how it's aged, but I just read this article five minutes ago, so apparently it's at least somewhat evergreen: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pupil-size-is-a-marker-of-intelligence/.

rob, Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:40 (two years ago) link

thanks

Stevolende, Thursday, 3 June 2021 16:18 (two years ago) link

so this sentence:

The standards were created in the 1990s in hopes of offering more appropriate treatment to dementia patients

implies that race-norming is common practice in testing for dementia treatment?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 3 June 2021 16:54 (two years ago) link

it's common in a lot of medical procedures, I am learning today

rob, Thursday, 3 June 2021 17:03 (two years ago) link

also Simon mentioned this, haven't listened myself: https://www.alabseries.com/episodes/episode-21-baked-in

rob, Thursday, 3 June 2021 17:05 (two years ago) link

This has been talked about for years, certainly well before this article: https://www.statnews.com/2016/04/04/medical-students-beliefs-race-pain/

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Thursday, 3 June 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link

pittsburgh

A black defense attorney spoke publicly about racism in the criminal justice system. As punishment, the local prosecutor refuses to offer any of his clients plea deals. https://t.co/1BQabCZgSx

— josie duffy rice (@jduffyrice) June 3, 2021

mookieproof, Thursday, 3 June 2021 18:11 (two years ago) link

Yes, I'd previously encountered the pain issue as well as some specific problems in dermatology, where medical pedagogy is often exclusively based on light skin (e.g., "look for signs of redness" when darker skin presents symptoms quite differently).

An example I saw after the nfl story: https://www.statnews.com/2021/06/03/vbac-calculator-birth-cesarean/

Plus these tweets allude to systemic problems:

“Race-norming” is built into medicine: calculators for renal function, pulmonary function, fever work ups in infants, vaginal birth after c-section. https://t.co/FCQM3L9nbQ

— Esther Choo MD MPH (@choo_ek) June 3, 2021

This (like the NFL's decision to stop "race norming" for brain injury) is a good start. But these racist tech and procedures are endemic in medicine (consider the pulse oximeter, eGFR tests, spirometer, just to start).

We need wholesale scrutiny and transformation. https://t.co/msWIrWuhaN

— Shobita Parthasarathy 👩🏾‍🏫🧪📚🎙️ (@ShobitaP) June 3, 2021

rob, Thursday, 3 June 2021 19:07 (two years ago) link

This looks helpful/technical/depressing: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMms2004740

rob, Thursday, 3 June 2021 19:12 (two years ago) link

This quote seems, um, noteworthy:

The American Heart Association (AHA) Get with the Guidelines–Heart Failure Risk Score predicts the risk of death in patients admitted to the hospital.9 It assigns three additional points to any patient identified as “nonblack,” thereby categorizing all black patients as being at lower risk. The AHA does not provide a rationale for this adjustment. Clinicians are advised to use this risk score to guide decisions about referral to cardiology and allocation of health care resources.

What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Thursday, 3 June 2021 19:40 (two years ago) link

I don’t know that this has been 100% confirmed but this is allegedly the auxiliary president of that chapter of the American Legion with her son:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/ns11vm/this_is_apparently_the_son_of_cindy_suchan/

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Friday, 4 June 2021 14:44 (two years ago) link

This interview with Anthony Braxton is kinda breaking my brain. I'm not gonna pull out any quotes; just read the whole thing, if you're interested.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 6 June 2021 19:07 (two years ago) link

This interview with Anthony Braxton🕸 is kinda breaking my brain. I'm not gonna pull out any quotes; just read the whole thing, if you're interested.


He’s old and he’s earned a lifetime pass of goodwill from me. The new generation of AACM know what time it is, and that’s the important thing.

Van Halen dot Senate dot flashlight (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 6 June 2021 20:11 (two years ago) link

i am interested. i don’t think he was ever as overtly politically radical as many of his contemporaries. but some of these (overly familiar) talking points I hadn’t heard from him before and are frankly pretty disappointing. though not at all unprecedented coming from the academy. of course he doesn’t owe me anything

Left, Sunday, 6 June 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link

it is hard for me to reconcile this boilerplate anti-anti-white stuff with his previous criticisms of white institutions for their suppression of black/african culture. and his rosy view of american past and (?)present with his ghost dance influenced music.

most bothersome isn’t that he’s not “woke” enough by current standards but that his views here are just so utterly mundane by anyone’s standards. let alone his own

Left, Sunday, 6 June 2021 21:07 (two years ago) link

Not sure where to post this exactly but...

I’m at a Loudoun County school board meeting. Packed room. A debate over critical race theory in schools has divided this community in recent weeks. Tonight, for the first time in the pandemic, the public was allowed back in to these meetings. pic.twitter.com/w7zslWN0FM

— amna (@IAmAmnaNawaz) June 8, 2021

This exact thing happened at our local school board meeting last night. The dipshits who have been yelling for a year to "open our schools" and "masks are child abuse" have gone full-on anti-CRT. I'm guessing this stuff will be getting covered as the new Tea Party.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 13:08 (two years ago) link

do racists have rights too? LIke can't be critical of them can you?
Have the right to their own personal martyrdom as long as somebody else can help them with it. Is that true, no canonisation without martyrdom.?
Bloomin bloom.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 13:28 (two years ago) link

Like did strike me taht critical racist theory was a little apt since it would be openly critical of racists since that would be a central tenet of the information provided. The ideas that lead to racism recognised as being misinterpretations and misinformation. Which the teaching would be hoping to address and hopefully dispense with. Valorisation - superiority/inferiority being so utterly subjective that it would be better to dispense with them rather than bolster by institutional reinforcement

Stevolende, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 13:31 (two years ago) link

there is a massive media campaign going on right now against CRT. which apparently includes BLM, intersectionality, all non-triumphalist colonial history, imaginary attacks on shakespeare, the existence of non-white people in academia, the acknowledgement that racism exists... it's basically cutural marxism but with less nazi baggage and more overtly anti-black

Left, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 14:03 (two years ago) link

One problem is that people don't know what "critical" means when applied to topics of interest as opposed to people

Also white people are still scared that the non-white people are going to literally murder them given half a chance

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 14:04 (two years ago) link

well now as is so deeply historically shown the population can only listen to reason. So if presented with facts like all of what is apparently being attacked so wholesale they must eventually come around to seeing sense.
Stands to reason.
Or like totally against it.
Would hope most of this was self evident but its also deeply uncomfortable and counterinituitive for some.
& certainly been heavily inculcated over the years.
Do wish one could osmose what people like Saini, Kendi , Andrews, Appiah etc wrote but like you can bring a racist to knowledge but you can't make them think innit

Stevolende, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 14:24 (two years ago) link

For a lot of these fools, it seems that being called racist is worse than actually acknowledging racism.

Which means, of course, that they're racists.

heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 21:26 (two years ago) link

there's also something to the visibility of being called a racist now vs pre-social media. Being outed to hundreds of your friends (or fans, if you're a public figure) in a manner of second as a racist.....basically it's more than being confronted with bad behavior, it's the feeling of being ostracized, to having people no longer willing to meet you for a beer, people who won't say "hello" to you in public anymore, people who send you angry messages.

In the past, for non-public figures, word of mouth would take a lot longer to get around, and there wasn't the ability to instantly record or screenshot anything, so the accused could sidestep it with minimal effort, either by getting 'in front' of it by acknowledging a generic wrongdoing and promising to do better, or biting the bullet and denying it, knowing nobody would be able to prove it, while still giving lip service to the idea that racism is wrong. Nowadays, you can't really get "in front" of much, and it's a bit hard to defend against screenshots and videos without screaming DEEPFAKE or SHOPPED, which doesn't have quite the same ring.

Even being called out in today's environment, still, a normal, non-psychotic person would just look at this as an opportunity to change and publicly acknowledge their wrongdoing, whereas these psychos actually view the call-out as a transgression and seek to destroy the person who leaked it in the same aggressive fashion. basically "back against the wall", ta lot of people show their asses and hit back (or hit again, since they were the ones who transgressed in the first place).

granted, not every accusation of 'racism' actually involves outing someone as a racist on social media or even has that wide of a reach, but just the threat of the possibility lingers in these assholes' minds and ergo calling them a racist even in a private setting is a heinous crime and not a mere acknowledgment of the fact that they are a fucking racist. so they fly off the FUCKING handle.

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 21:42 (two years ago) link

I have to say that Ellie Kemper handled her firestorm much better than I expected her to

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Thursday, 10 June 2021 00:06 (two years ago) link

it's a fucking graduation, let people be happy

although of course what would actually happen is that they'd start letting white kids yell "I DID IT FOR THE MASTER RACE" because that's the same as waving/wearing a Mexican flag

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Thursday, 10 June 2021 20:45 (two years ago) link

that is utter bullshit

horseshoe, Friday, 11 June 2021 12:29 (two years ago) link

the policy against the Mexican flag carrying is bullshit, but i literally don't understand how the kid wearing black patent leather shoes was in violation of any rules? schools are punishing Black kids for having style, essentially?

horseshoe, Friday, 11 June 2021 12:34 (two years ago) link

lotta dress-code enforcing assholes in the comments, for a buncha people who wear confed flags on EVERYTHING

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Friday, 11 June 2021 12:45 (two years ago) link

This morning Latta Plantation removed this Juneteenth event from their online calendar and Facebook page after FB commenters let them know just how awful of an idea it was. pic.twitter.com/8pj8OyuyCr

— Ryan Pitkin (@pitkin_ryan) June 11, 2021

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Friday, 11 June 2021 20:18 (two years ago) link

The audacity

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Friday, 11 June 2021 20:18 (two years ago) link

lotta dress-code enforcing assholes in the comments, for a buncha people who wear confed flags on EVERYTHING

lol, replace the confed flag with old glory and you have my uncle. has an endless array of beat up sleeveless t-shirts with the flag on 'em that he wears to every single event i've ever seen him at, but oh boy does he have OPINIONS on how kids should dress

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 11 June 2021 20:21 (two years ago) link

wow that description of "Kingdom Coming" is much worse than I predicted

Nhex, Friday, 11 June 2021 21:37 (two years ago) link

This was their Juneteenth programming, I’d like to reiterate

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Saturday, 12 June 2021 00:18 (two years ago) link

The graduation thing is so fucking stupid because it might not even be racism, instead just some power-tripping grown-up who can't stand it when the rules are bent and won't let kids let a little loose during the last HOUR they will ever see each other .

Like the logic of "this flag causes a disruption" is absolutely idiotic considering that denying the kid a diploma, interrupting an entire ceremony, letting it delve into confusion and then ultimately becoming a national incident that disgraces both you and your school is more of a "disruption" on an exponential scale.

bruce spr!ngisH3r3 on broadway (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 12 June 2021 02:15 (two years ago) link

I'm going to pass on this: https://www.cameo.com/racheldolezal

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 15:26 (two years ago) link

what if she's on Cameo singing Cameo

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 15:33 (two years ago) link

https://www.loudersound.com/news/foo-fighters-accused-of-bringing-segregation-back-as-anti-vax-protestors-picket-show

"Segregation" - boy these privileged hateful fucks never wait more than five seconds to compare their minor grievance to slavery or Jim Crow, do they?

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Thursday, 17 June 2021 00:49 (two years ago) link

This is good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YxH43Cw6tI

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Thursday, 17 June 2021 11:19 (two years ago) link

John McWhorter has been talking about ebonics his Lexicon Valley podcast as well as various forms of pidgin.
Have been enjoying that show and caught a zoom interview with him last week where he had to field questions about hi being conservative and things.
But did hear from his show that ebonics seemed to be getting more respect and recognition than when i was hearing it dismissed by a white American Erasmus student in my university days in the early 00ies

Stevolende, Thursday, 17 June 2021 12:33 (two years ago) link

xp I love that! Thanks, Dan! It's fun when linguistics blows people's minds.

You're Wrong About has an episode about the "ebonics controversy" and what that Oakland school district was actually doing (hint: not what they got criticized for doing) and iirc it was WORKING (until it got cancelled).

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 17 June 2021 12:40 (two years ago) link


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