PINK FLOYD

I feel like sending it back to him unread would have been more cutting

xxxp

YouTube comment of the week:

DuckTalesWooHoo1987
2 days ago
True Story: When I was a young man my band covered Comfortably Numb and we would always play it note for note and then do an extended jam at the end. There was a girl in the crowd that I had known my whole life and was WAY out of my league. However, after watching me play the solo to Comfortably Numb she decided I was hot enough for her. She is now my wife and we have 2 kids and have been married for almost two decades. Thanks Pink Floyd. LOL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-gF-tmblA8

Ha I just watched that Rick Beato video last night. It rules as does Pink Floyd.

I have some mixed feelings about Rick beato. Mostly I think he represents everything I hate about music. And then occasionally he says something smart and interesting and has an open mind about things. But mostly I hate watch. He thinks Sting is the greatest songwriter of all time.

yes, i completely agree. i'm sure he thinks pearl jam are the apex of musical achievement. i thought the "comfortably numb" one was quite interesting as it is a song i would be happy to never hear again in my life yet he managed to shed some new light on it and i appreciated the song once more. i will still never listen to it again of my own volition though.

i tend to listen to his analysis and ignore his opinions, if that makes sense

listen to his dissection of More Than a Feeling, I learned lots.

I kind of appreciate his reviewing the top 20 or whatever. You think he’s gonna bash all the pop but and then he gets excited about something. Though it’s usually still about some technical chopsy move. I have seen him dig punky or simplistic stuff for what it is at least.

I’ve always loved comfortably numb and still do. Like most people who were teenage boys at some point the Wall was huge for me when I was 12 or whatever. Now I think it’s completely overrated nonsense but a few moments, Esp where gilmours melodic sense kicks in enough, stand out.

I have a 1979 theory as a postpunker that when looking at the dark isolationist moves of the time, the Wall is child’s play compared to 154, Unknown Pleasures, Fear of Music etc. there’s specifically certain songs by wire and joy division that have similar “minor” progressions to what appears in the wall.

I know this isn’t WIRE RULES but the wall is one of my least favorite Floyd albums compared to what came before.

the wall is one of my least favorite Floyd albums compared to what came before.

Ain't that the truth.

is each Floyd album gradually worse than the ones that came before?

I'm trying and failing to imagine someone whose tastes would correlate exactly to that template, particularly the 1968-1971 run. A die-hard psychedelicist who nonetheless considers Meddle worse than Saucerful of Secrets?

or Atom Heart Mother?

Animals might be better than Wish You Were Here, I dunno, they are different but definitely not a clear victory for WYWH

I guess you could say they got more pretentious with each record, assuming one found the pretensions of Ummagumma more listenable than those of The Final Cut?

Final Cut I can't stand
I like Delicate Sound of Thunder more

I'm trying to decide but Obscured By Clouds might be less pretentious than Meddle?

I took a night school class about 10 years ago, where I sat next to this couple who were just a year or so out of high school. We talked a lot before class would start, with one evening in particular devoted to music. The boy brought up Pink Floyd, so I started bringing up different eras, asking if he had a favorite.

"Oh, definitely not Barrett. No no no. The Final Cut--that's a great album!"

I later find out through social media that both of these kids are serious Neocons, hung up on Michelle Bachmann and Benghazi.

To me it's like brackets: the Barrett stuff is awful and so is The Final Cut.

Current personal ranking:

Wish You Were Here
Animals
The live half of Ummagumma
Meddle
Dark Side of the Moon
The Wall
the rest

F that. Barrett stuff is miles better than anything they did without him.

bummer

waters or was it gilmour said something like “we couldn’t just keep doing interstellar overdrive forever” and i’m like i wish you had mate

I just saw an old Classic Albums episode about "Dark Side of the Moon" where Gilmour said that, prior to making the album, he'd been getting bored with 'psychedelic noodling'.

A quarter of the live disc of Ummagumma is "Barret stuff" btw.

meddle is better than most things made by humans

^^

Like most people who were teenage boys at some point the Wall was huge for me when I was 12 or whatever. Now I think it’s completely overrated nonsense but a few moments, Esp where gilmours melodic sense kicks in enough, stand out.

i reckon between the age of 12 - 13 i listened to The Wall at least 500 times. 40 years later i have still not got over that listening overdose and find it unbearable, with the exception of 'Run Like Hell'.

Current personal ranking:

Relics / A Nice Pair
side 2, tracks 1 - 3 Atom Heart Mother
Ummagumma live sides
Meddle
Obscured By Clouds
Wish You Were Here
More

going from animals to the wall is an all-time dramatic drop in quality

I named my daughter after a Syd Barrett song so my allegiance is obvious.

Post Barrett pre Dark Side there are some amazing highs and some failed experiments but plenty of killer stuff. I posted my Pink Floyd radio show appearance here already right? The only time I’ve been invited into the Lot (and was able to see it through).

I have some mixed feelings about Rick beato. Mostly I think he represents everything I hate about music. And then occasionally he says something smart and interesting and has an open mind about things. But mostly I hate watch. He thinks Sting is the greatest songwriter of all time.

― dan selzer, Saturday, 5 June 2021 02:51 (yesterday) link

Beato is weird. Sometimes he'll have this amazingly insightful explanation of how a particular good song works or why a guitar solo rules or something, but then his instagram is just full of all of this utter crap where it's like "I really like to use a g flat minor phrygolidian over a d-sharp flat 5 flat 9 sharp 13 chord" -- and then he hits some kind of extremely awful synth pad sound and noodles over it, and I just don't get how someone can have such seemingly good taste and such bad taste at the same time.

It's curious that, although The Wall is a big step down from Animals, and a very different sonic experience, on closer inspection they share many building blocks - like the guitar solos in "Dogs" and "Another Brick II" could be swapped out, they're even in the same key. The acoustic songs are like "Pigs on the Wing", ten times over. Formerly good ideas are squeezed into this overblown DRAMATIC context.
Bob Ezrin used up all his bag of tricks by the time of Berlin, he must be in love with turgidity. I'll assign him a special portion of blame to share with Waters.
A record I've heard recently that could have been a signpost for where they could have gone is by future Gilmour collaborator Anthony Moore/More: World Service from 1981. His lyrics for late Floyd are a little try-hard, but you can see why he was picked for the role - the album's a blend between Animals, Wire's 154 and John Cale's Honi Soit.

I’m a huge Anthony Moore fan and his “pop” rock albums World Service, Flying Doesn’t Help and the recently rereleased Out ate fantastic slices of post Cale/Eno art rock with some Barrett influence too. Not to mention that Slapp Happy totally RULES.

Wait, are ppl itt suggesting that pink floyd doesn't rule?

I named my daughter after a Syd Barrett song

That's more like it!!

I can totes guess which song tho & if i'm right not pf.

i love 'Pieces from the Cloudland Ballroom' and some of his other things, but haven't really listened to Anthony Moore's pop music. I remember liking his collab with ARP for the FRKWYS series 10 or so years ago; that was the last thing i heard.

I do feel like the adults in the room need to calm things down a bit and remind everyone that PINK FLOYD RULES

"Flying Doesn't Help" is a great album. Also sounds like a Pink Floyd song/album title.

guys, listen to ums

PINK FLOYD RULES

I do feel like the adults in the room need to calm things down a bit and remind everyone that PINK FLOYD RULES

Good post, otm.

_I named my daughter after a Syd Barrett song

PINK FLOYD RULES

(GENERALLY)

I just don't get how someone can have such seemingly good taste and such bad taste at the same time.

I think it's that, as a producer and working musician, he tries his best to keep an open mind, because he never quite knows what he'll be asked to work on and also recognizes that even though something might not be his thing, he still wants to know how to make them sound the best they can, or why they are popular, or what trends are they chasing, etc. There are things I've seen him complain about, but rarely harshly.

But certainly taste and talent and knowledge can be totally divergent. My guitar teacher (who similarly tries to keep his own preferences in check) and I have talked about Larry Carlton, who is as good as it gets on guitar, and has played so many great guitar parts, but whose solo albums are generally pretty unexceptional.

__I named my daughter after a Syd Barrett song_

Matilda?

Thought so!

One of my favorite songs of his also. I remember reading somewhere that the lost track "Living Alone" evolved into "Opel", or is another name for the same song, but now I can't find the source (Gilmour?)

Anyone?

"she was a millionaire", not "living alone" sorry. there is chatter about this on web forums but i don't remember where the idea came from.

The organ intro to the "no title" 1967 insteumenteal (aka "sunshine") = the intro to opel. the idea that it's a composite of older songs with maybe some added material makes sense.

Probably more a question for the Yeeshkul! forum or the like

Yeah Yeeshkul! had the answer, it's in David Parker's book

3 instrumental takes of Syd's She Was A Millionaire were recorded during the Piper sessions. It never got to the overdub stage. Melody Maker announced that it was being considered as a possible follow up to Emily. According to Andrew King and Peter Jenner it was one of Syd's best efforts, was in waltz time, and started with "she was a millionaire, they didn't have time to care.." Syd, Rick, Dave and Jerry Shirley recorded a rehearsal of this track during the 1970 Barrett LP sessions. David Parker heard the tape and has said that the "I'm trying...to find you" section of Opel was originally the chorus to Millionaire

I named my daughter after a Syd Barrett song

was really hoping this would turn out to be grimble grumble tbh

“Gerald”

"Octopus"

Effervescing Elephant obv