2021 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees POLL

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r) at 7:05 30 May 21

As a longtime fan, this doesn't surprise me much at all. They're not very famous, compared to most of these artists. I don't really know what being part of "rock tradition" means, in this context? Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r) at 7:05 30 May 21

As a longtime fan, this doesn't surprise me much at all. They're not very famous, compared to most of these artists. I don't really know what being part of "rock tradition" means, in this context? I don't think they've added many radio classics or standards for covers or that we're seeing loads of young bands playing in F#F#GGAA...? in F#F#GGAA...?


I mean.... there's tons of underground rock that's either directly or indirectly influenced by them, that balance of dissonance and melody is so baked in (SY and Mission of Burma), focusing on tuning seems weird

also what's true about this:
Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r) at 7:05 30 May 21

I don't think they've added many radio classics or standards for covers or that we're seeing loads of young bands playing

that isn't true about Zappa?

just not on this continent?

I always took the RRHOF to be pretty UCAN-centric, no?

I just picked that tuning as a random example. I don't hear that much of their influence in the kind of artists that I was thinking RRHOF voters would be concerned with but, yeah, I conceded that I wasn't thinking about artists like the VU and Zappa being included, as well as Tina Turner and the Foo Fighters. I do agree they fit alongside those.xp

Thurston Moore, in his own way, also kind of fits in with the Dave Grohl elder statesman/ambassador idea (Henry Rollins, too, although I'm less enthusiastic about him). Moore has always been a cheerleader for bands he likes, turns up in numerous documentaries, is kind of affable and unthreatening, etc. And if they do start to shift some of their focus towards women, Kim Gordon has to be at or near the front of that line.

I honestly have no investment in them being inducted in the RRHOF and it's not something I ever hear from SY fans.

Iron Maiden otoh

Fela Kuti was hugely popular and layperson-level famous, though, right, just not on this continent?

No, but don't discount the power of having a hit jukebox musical based on your work.

(xpost) No, I don't think their longtime fans would care, though I suspect some would get a kick out of the incongruity--like hearing that Apple commercial with Delta 5 right now. I'll be honest: my guess is that Moore very much wants to get in. (I haven't read Kim Gordon's book, so I don't know about her--probably not.)

I don’t get why fans of any band wouldn’t think it was at least cool if they got in.

bc the RRHOF is a ridiculous and meaningless institution?

trenchant commentary thread 3 could basically be this thread

xp Even if someone thinks that, wouldn’t they still enjoy / get a kick out of it? Who’s that terminally grumpy, lol

I mean rock & roll is often ridiculous, that’s what makes it fun

i refuse to listen to a foo fighters album

xp, i mean it's like getting on the cover of aarp magazine, good for them i guess?

At the very least it means a professionally produced video package on the history of your favorite band, that lots of ppl will see

Royal Trux could be inducted to the Midwest Auto Parts Hall of Fame and I’d be watching with excitement

Not sure why or how to explain it, morrisp - maybe that recognition for "critical acclaim and influence" by a hall of fame doesn't seem like much to get excited about? Maybe that it's the band that recorded "Kill Yr Idols"?

I guess I feel like you (or they) don’t have to take something seriously to enjoy your favorite band doing it. Isn’t that also part of the “punk rock” tradition? “We’re too cool for this, but we’re gonna goof on it?”

(SY also seem pretty reverent/respectful of their own idols, that song title notwithstanding!)

I mean, I'd watch if they were inducted but I'm not like writing letters or anything.

They could play “elegy for all the dead rock ★’s” [I know that’s Thurston solo]

Yeah, the song was more of a jab at Christgau than anything else. I meant more that it's a bit whatever if rock writers immortalize them, not that they have a philosophical stance against canonization.

https://www.insidehook.com/article/music/yr-kill-yr-idols-inspired-sonic-youths-iconic-song

Inneresting… I only know the “I Killed Xgau With My Big Fucking Dick” song (shows what I know!)

I just thought that was how they labelled the same song on one release - was there a different song?

Mayo Thompson recorded “Portrait of V. I. Lenin in the Style of Jackson Pollock, Part I" (several times)—and I’d shine all of Jann Wenner’s shoes if it meant I could somehow see Mayo up on that stage.

John Sykes’s, too. He could talk about his bud Mellencamp while I did the work.

At the very least it means a professionally produced video package on the history of your favorite band, that lots of ppl will see

― like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Sunday, May 30, 2021 6:56 PM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i mean this with all sincerity: who cares

award ceremonies are fucking dumb

I think the only thing I really wanted from Jann Wenner was to see him eat shit and induct Rush, which he already did eight years ago.

xxp I thought all fans did! Honestly never heard of the “hate to see my favorite band on film / onstage / get recognition” kind of fan.

it's not hate it's a total lack of interest, oh boy jan werner likes royal trux yippee

we do have the rnrhof for giving us LULU though, so it's good for that

i guess i really like the speech brian may gave about def leppard last year.. or maybe it was joe elliott talking about queen... anyway it was sweet

For me I guess a big part of it is other people getting exposed to them (in these-never gonna-happen scenarios). When I love an artist, I want to share them with the world <3

(I also love a good retrospective video package, but maybe that’s just me)

the r&rhof is just industry self-congratulatory bullshit in a similar way to the grammys etc. but without even the idiosyncrasies of the grammys to keep things mildly interesting

Of 80s alternative acts, I'm a little surprised to see that Bad Brains and the Replacements have been nominated before Sonic Youth (Devo, Los Lobos and Jane's Addiction at least got played on the radio).
I think SY hung around so long that a lot of their vanguard aura dissipated (although that didn't seem to hurt R.E.M.'s induction). Also I don't think it's likely they'd play the ceremony, so no ticket sales.

well R.E.M. were a huge band (in addition to being innovative/respected, etc.); they were a shoo-in regardless.

IMO, it was their playing that hurt their induction… :(
(sorry, luv ya guys)

Bands should be retroactively uninducted for petty crimes

I actually think SY’s longevity makes the case for their consideration even stronger; they were still making good albums (almost) up until the end (I can’t rep for that final Matador one). Plus the New Yawk angle, etc.

Kim's gotten a lot of mileage saying that the Hall is more of a 'Hall of Clothes' (because of clothes>>anything else in exhibits), and that feels like something dumb enough for someone inside to get mad about.

"inside the organization"

we do have the rnrhof for giving us LULU though, so it's good for that

I thought it was Alban Berg.

I thought it was Maurice Gibb.

Inductions will be announced this week, so Vulture interviewed two anonymous voters. The points of agreement are pretty fascinating.

Team Voter Two

Team Voter Two

― jaymc, Tuesday, May 3, 2022 11:07 AM (twenty-nine seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

Me too, although Voter One was pretty otm re: Beck. And both are wrong about the MC5.

lol @ Voter One voting for MC5 and then immediately calling them a bullshit act with only one good song