AS I THROW THE CHAINS I FORGED IN LIFETO SHATTER ON THE FLOOR
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 May 2021 15:06 (two years ago) link
come for the duende, stay for the DRAMA
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 May 2021 15:12 (two years ago) link
There are soooooo many covers that work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g7TznJLd50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6hX3CbWOl8
My friend and I have a theory that everything can be reggae-fied and work, and I guess the same holds true for Afghan Whigs.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 May 2021 15:16 (two years ago) link
happy to report the quality is excellent
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, May 27, 2021 7:40 AM (thirty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
literally can't believe how good it sounds, you can totally hear the overwhelming three guitar attack that had me spellbound from instant the show started
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 May 2021 15:18 (two years ago) link
yeah it's release-quality
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 May 2021 15:20 (two years ago) link
my kingdom for a decent recording of the whigs doing "climax" with usher
https://www.thefader.com/2014/10/05/usher-afghan-whigs-music-hall-of-willaimsburg
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 May 2021 15:21 (two years ago) link
there's a solid youtube version of that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1krNIh4_668
― the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Thursday, 27 May 2021 15:25 (two years ago) link
love to confirm that my memory isn't faulty and that the bowery ballroom show was in fact the best concert i've ever seen
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 May 2021 15:26 (two years ago) link
bless u vc
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 May 2021 15:27 (two years ago) link
it's not their best live cover or anything but I still find it wild that that happened
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 May 2021 15:30 (two years ago) link
the flow of this boot is insane, also I died at the immaculately timed joint exchange in "bulletproof"
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 May 2021 15:40 (two years ago) link
I meant to mention re: the Backbeat performance that I love the disconnect between this furious and almost historic stage performance and the coldly unmoving seated VMA audience. the past is truly a foreign land
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 May 2021 15:43 (two years ago) link
https://mega.nz/file/pBliSC4Y#W3JhUPSdYevuBoGmAF3A5l3_qYXK96aFMwJr-oi6_pM
^^ bowery ballroom show for anyone who wants it
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 May 2021 15:50 (two years ago) link
idk how couth it is to share that here but i feel it is a near-perfect document of a moment in time worth sharing lol
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 May 2021 15:53 (two years ago) link
Don't know if i'm alone in this but is anyone else praying for a remix/remaster of 1965? I've always felt it sounded really compressed and, to use a technical term, just very smooshed. It's a really unpleasurable listen at points despite how wonderful most of the songs are.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 27 May 2021 16:06 (two years ago) link
it's always sounded pretty good to me, some of the twilight singers records have uhh not-great mixing and mastering though
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 May 2021 16:10 (two years ago) link
i looooooooooove the way 1965 sounds
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 May 2021 16:12 (two years ago) link
it is pretty compressed but it's also crisp-sounding and the guitar sound is huge
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 May 2021 16:13 (two years ago) link
"crazy" is a production marvel imo
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 27 May 2021 16:16 (two years ago) link
my pettiest beef with 1965 is the decision to split "vampire lanois" into its own track, thus forcing me to splice the mp3s together lol
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 May 2021 16:25 (two years ago) link
can it just be my ears? GUYS DON'T MAKE ME GO ON STEVE HOFFMAN FORUM
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 27 May 2021 16:27 (two years ago) link
only song i have problems with is (probably controversially) "somethin hot," which does feel ultra-compressed to me. guitars sound like "larger than life" by the backstreet boys, not ideal.
there's a 12'' mix floating out there that's a bit deeper that i prefer
― the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Thursday, 27 May 2021 16:45 (two years ago) link
now I wanna hear dulli's take on "I Want It That Way"
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 May 2021 16:49 (two years ago) link
lol he would annihilate "everybody (backstreet's back)"
― the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Thursday, 27 May 2021 16:59 (two years ago) link
The 1998 Bowery show is astonishing - I'm sure I've heard it before but it's wonderful to revisit.
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 May 2021 19:35 (two years ago) link
I will admit that some of dulli's banter/persona in this period gives me pause lol
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 May 2021 20:40 (two years ago) link
https://soundcloud.com/dperis/afghan-whigs-regret-new-order-cover-live
in addition to dulli's piano cover of "regret" there's also this full-band live version from 1994, which is fine but not one of their best covers
― ufo, Thursday, 27 May 2021 20:45 (two years ago) link
oh man that 1998 bootleg, great to hear their "ex-factor" in such nice quality
― ufo, Thursday, 27 May 2021 20:56 (two years ago) link
any notable bootlegs kicking around on slsk or whatever? I poked around the web archive but didn't see anything
There's a full soundboard recording (or at least a CDs-worth) of the 1997 New Orleans show used for the Live At Howlin' Wolf EP
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 27 May 2021 20:58 (two years ago) link
Random Desire is really great, for me the only thing holding it back is that, to my ears at least, Dulli sounds a bit weird on it from time to time, esp in the more animated sections (ie "The Tide"). the songs are uniformly strong and his sense of pacing and sequencing remains uncanny
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Friday, 28 May 2021 14:21 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKcEPQ46B_8
this is the only version of the Blackberry Belle bonus track I can find, it's real good
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Friday, 28 May 2021 21:32 (two years ago) link
Bowery 2012 is very good. Have downloaded 1998 to check out later.
I never saw the Whigs the first time round, saw the Twilight Singers in Glasgow a couple of times, but passed on the I'll Be Your Mirror show in London in 2012 because I figured they'd be back with Rick and play shows further north...nope! Have seen the current iteration a couple of times though.
Will try and put in an entry to the poll - was going to listen through everything again but I could probably produce my lists from memory.
― hamicle, Friday, 28 May 2021 21:54 (two years ago) link
wow the Black Love review on allmusic is a travesty
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Friday, 28 May 2021 22:14 (two years ago) link
Jesus christ what a band:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im2fGcu7B5k
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 28 May 2021 23:25 (two years ago) link
random desire is super solid. dulli was really reinvigorated by the whigs reunion tour it seems like because everything he put out since then has been great, and a big step up from dynamite steps, which wasn't bad or anything but it did feel a bit like twilight singers by numbers
― ufo, Saturday, 29 May 2021 01:49 (two years ago) link
it kinda falls apart at the end but the first 5 songs + "beginning of the end" are pretty great
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Saturday, 29 May 2021 01:54 (two years ago) link
there's just nothing on it that excites me as much as "there's been an accident", "i wish i was", or "bonnie brae" from powder burns, or the majority of blackberry belle
― ufo, Saturday, 29 May 2021 02:00 (two years ago) link
https://soundcloud.com/creationbaby/afghan-whigs-miss-world
hope no one misses this hole cover, it was a b-side to the "66" single iirc but isn't on streaming or youtube anywhere as far as i can see. just dulli on piano with a horn section backing him & it's gorgeous
― ufo, Saturday, 29 May 2021 04:19 (two years ago) link
All I ever really knew of these guys was the Gentleman video on MTV back in the day, which I always liked, but about two months ago I had a brief flirtation with them, then this poll popped and I've been listening to Black Love non-stop.
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Saturday, 29 May 2021 21:18 (two years ago) link
this is the best whigs cover, probably because it's the best song ever, and i can't find a video, so: afghan whigs - i'll be around (live)
― mookieproof, Saturday, 29 May 2021 22:04 (two years ago) link
ooh that's fantastic, adding it to my ballot
― ufo, Saturday, 29 May 2021 22:34 (two years ago) link
When I listen to 1965, I often wonder what would have happened if this exploded like Californication did (months later)
― Master of Treacle, Sunday, 30 May 2021 00:03 (two years ago) link
they're definitely a band that was really made for playing arenas despite never really getting close. it's a shame, they just had constant label trouble
― ufo, Sunday, 30 May 2021 00:25 (two years ago) link
Payola...this stuff never got bribed into the airways as much as say I dunno Creed or maybe Live would be my guess.
― earlnash, Sunday, 30 May 2021 00:43 (two years ago) link
There is something very cinematic and anthemic about them.
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Sunday, 30 May 2021 00:53 (two years ago) link
idk they had a few songs that I could see making more of a dent but the single choices were often odd and idk that there was much room for dulli's vision to expand saleswise
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Sunday, 30 May 2021 01:30 (two years ago) link
honestly in terms of label support it seems to me they fared better than many
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Sunday, 30 May 2021 01:34 (two years ago) link
as a music store manager circa that time, i can say that 'the soft bulletin' (released seven months later) got a *lot* more label support. that might be down to differences between WEA and sony/columbia but tbh i never ever understood warners' steadfast love of the flaming lips
― mookieproof, Sunday, 30 May 2021 02:25 (two years ago) link
One of the things that (sorta) hurt 1965 was that during the first leg of the tour Dulli got banged up pretty bad after a show in Austin, and some shows were cancelled.
https://www.austinchronicle.com/music/1998-12-18/520831/
Afghan Whigs singer Greg Dulli was in the hospital with a fractured skull following an altercation with a Liberty Lunch stagehand after the Whigs' show there on Friday. Dulli has since been released from Brackenridge (the hospital itself declines comment), and reports are that he's OK, but the big question around town since last weekend has been, "What the hell happened?"...Lunch representatives say their lawyers have told them not to comment on the matter at this time, but previously published reports quote the club's co-manager Mileah Jordan saying that Dulli was the aggressor, first threatening and then attacking a stagehand. Witnesses say Dulli, apparently angered over a confrontation earlier in the day, stayed after the club closed to take care of "unfinished business" with the worker, going after him with a two-by-four, at which point the stagehand hit Dulli once and caused the singer to fall backwards and hit his head on the pavement. Police reports seem to back this story as no charges have been filed against anyone, but needless to say, lawyers have been burning the midnight oil on what could turn into another long, drawn-out case involving the troubled Liberty Lunch.
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Lunch representatives say their lawyers have told them not to comment on the matter at this time, but previously published reports quote the club's co-manager Mileah Jordan saying that Dulli was the aggressor, first threatening and then attacking a stagehand. Witnesses say Dulli, apparently angered over a confrontation earlier in the day, stayed after the club closed to take care of "unfinished business" with the worker, going after him with a two-by-four, at which point the stagehand hit Dulli once and caused the singer to fall backwards and hit his head on the pavement. Police reports seem to back this story as no charges have been filed against anyone, but needless to say, lawyers have been burning the midnight oil on what could turn into another long, drawn-out case involving the troubled Liberty Lunch.
Dulli--who was reportedly in a coma for two days after the incident--sued but the case didn't get anywhere because (as forecasted in the link) the venue went out of business the following summer.
― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 30 May 2021 03:35 (two years ago) link
Forgot about that. One time one of the security guys was a wee bit aggressive in denying me entrance to that place, but I guess I got off easy compared to GD.
― AP Chemirocha (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 30 May 2021 03:39 (two years ago) link