"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

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Blimey, she's lived in a lot of places.

Anyway, seems a soft touch candidate, "vote for the victims sister or you are a swine"

None of this is a crit of Kim, clearly she's distressed still.

But. Wholly opportunistic for Starmer, so if she loses its not his fault.

Mark G, Monday, 24 May 2021 07:27 (two years ago) link

Would Jo Cox have lost in 2019? Would she have joined Change UK?

A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 24 May 2021 07:36 (two years ago) link

Those areas are still in the constituency though?

As for her being the only local, isn't the heavy woollen NazBol guy a local too?

They posted good numbers last time, could be a factor again this time. Tories marginal favourites at bookies

anvil, Monday, 24 May 2021 07:43 (two years ago) link

yeah the heavy woollen NazBol was supposed to be declaring whether he is running or not this weekend, not got much of a grip on the heavy woollen grapevine and still looking for news on this. If he doesn't run then a likely outright defeat will become an absolute crushing defeat.

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 08:17 (two years ago) link

he is more just a str8 up nazi like TR is this fellow. That 6/4 the bookies are offering on Labour seems a bit stingy. I was thinking they would be at least 5/2. It's a much different demographic to Hartlepool but a lot of Asian voters are pissed off with Kieth and abstaining on Labour and I think this is a significant social media phenomena and not just me saying it cos I hate the fucker. And all the usual stuff: the Vaccine Success, Towns Funds, Labour's policy black hole - will make it a much more bruising defeat than the bookies odds suggest.

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 08:31 (two years ago) link

I thought he was UKIP + NHS?

Hartlepool was an inevitability and already baked in, but losing Batley feels way more damaging (even though Conservatives had it in 90s and many West Yorks seats ebb and flow more than being pure red wall)

My guess is that they're getting it from both ends, Hartlepooled on the one end and enthusiasm decline on the other?

anvil, Monday, 24 May 2021 08:37 (two years ago) link

yeah NazBol probably about right, but Halloran goes in quite heavy on the more Naz stuff like the grooming gangs etc. lol he's in protected mode on twitter, so still can't see if he's declared or not. I think abstention will do some heavy damage to Labour in Batley. And the Tories will have a strong ground game, Labour are practically insolvent and Kieth has alienated a lot of people who would previously have volunteered for them. In 2019 Tory campaigners were like ants in my neck of the woods. I expect the same in Batley.

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 08:53 (two years ago) link

It's an amazing reversal of fortunes, because it was only a few years ago Labour had the biggest membership of a political party in Europe and the Tories were being very coy about how many members they had left.

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 08:55 (two years ago) link

they might desist on dirty tricks because of the Jo Cox factor, but they will be telling people on the doorsteps she's an amateur with zero political experience, that much is guaranteed.

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 08:58 (two years ago) link

Damn those tory lies lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENmlIUrUcAo9GBX?format=jpg&name=large

real charmer is this Halloran

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 09:30 (two years ago) link

well legion of fans are I mean

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 09:31 (two years ago) link

it's easy to see where their votes will be shifting to

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 09:31 (two years ago) link

in 2019 he launched his election campaign at a Luddite memorial, he's a NazLud.

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 09:35 (two years ago) link

haven't heard "bring back the birch" for decades

A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 24 May 2021 09:36 (two years ago) link

I've only heard it from publishers in ref to Julie

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 09:42 (two years ago) link

I feel bad for this can candidate tbh and the whole thing is so tacky and manipulative and shameless I'm really at a loss!

plax (ico), Monday, 24 May 2021 10:00 (two years ago) link

Feels like a new low and I wonder how much lower they can sink

plax (ico), Monday, 24 May 2021 10:01 (two years ago) link

Also the stench of desperation will work against them. It's so cynical it almost makes the Tories look like the good guys who are honestly plugging away with their gimmick free candidate with political experience.

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 10:07 (two years ago) link

From a thread about the woman shot in Southwark

The TTIP are not an equal rights party; they are not BLM activists, which BLM have said themselves. I was at the Million People March. They are right-wing nationalists who are anti-immigration, anti 5G, antisemitic and believe we need thousands more soldiers.

— Moya Lothian-Mclean (@mlothianmclean) May 24, 2021

For the media of course she's much more a BLM activist than a Taking The Initiative Party member (tbh tho I think this is the first I have even heard of that group but they do not sound good).

nashwan, Monday, 24 May 2021 10:45 (two years ago) link

The Taking the Initiative Party was established by a group of British business
people - some from working class backgrounds who felt, like many others across the country, that we had become
politically homeless.

that old chestnut

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 11:08 (two years ago) link

Time for The Old Chestnut Party to come to the fore.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 24 May 2021 11:24 (two years ago) link

They were the group who came to some of the BLM protests last year dressed like Black Panthers and were immediately flagged by other activists as deeply suspicious / a probable op.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 24 May 2021 11:25 (two years ago) link

blimey, some proper J Edgar Hoover cointelpro style shit going on it seems

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 11:32 (two years ago) link

Their only idea is to break Corbyn lol.

Jeremy Corbyn shouldn't be a Labour MP until he apologises to the Jewish community, argues @lisanandy.@NickFerrariLBChttps://t.co/8zhwrX29fq

— LBC (@LBC) May 24, 2021

xyzzzz__, Monday, 24 May 2021 14:09 (two years ago) link

Feels like a new low and I wonder how much lower they can sink

― plax (ico), Monday, 24 May 2021 bookmarkflaglink

Looking at this and like there are so many ways they can sink lower.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 24 May 2021 14:10 (two years ago) link

sad day for Tom Watson and proprietors of Nazi themed s+m dungeons . His biggest donor Max Mosley has just croaked.

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 14:45 (two years ago) link

The TTIP thread above reads a little weirdly - from that, you'd expect BLMUK to have said "all solidarity with <checks notes> Sasha Johnson, this is the sort of thing we're talking about", but what they said was "BLMUK expresses our shock and solidarity over the shooting of Sasha Johnson. A young mother and fearless political campaigner who was at the forefront of many BLM protests last summer." - it definitely sounds like she was known to them.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 24 May 2021 16:03 (two years ago) link

the framing by BLMUK and others is confusing but the thread is as clear as it can be far is i can tell ... ?

Left, Monday, 24 May 2021 16:56 (two years ago) link

Seen separate receipts saying this guy voted Lib Dem and Green.

https://t.co/MsxIVw8gC8 pic.twitter.com/KYtsAIqmrP

— π”π”žπ”€π”«π”’π”±π”° 𝔣𝔬𝔯 π”žπ”©π”© 🧲 (@PerthshireMags) May 24, 2021

xyzzzz__, Monday, 24 May 2021 18:29 (two years ago) link

I love these wankers that say they are not party political and talk lots of shite when everyone knows they are shy tory voters

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 18:50 (two years ago) link

A young mother and fearless political campaigner who was at the forefront of many BLM protests last summer." - it definitely sounds like she was known to them.

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 24 May 2021 bookmarkflaglink

The BLM tweet states she wasn't part of their organisation but that yes they knew of her and that she spoke at the protests. They've obviously refrained from talking of her politics in grubby detail right now, understandably..

xyzzzz__, Monday, 24 May 2021 20:29 (two years ago) link

When Amira Baraka was wrongfully imprisoned Audre Lorde led a protest to have him released despite being highly critical of his homophobia and misogyny.
In the same spirit, I hope Sasha recovers and my prayers are with her children, family and friends. https://t.co/VnHX3NQMrL

— Chardine Taylor Stone (@ChardineTaylor) May 24, 2021

I think this post sums it up

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 20:57 (two years ago) link

In the last few days we have witnessed several gratuitous public attacks on Jeremy Corbyn from Labour MPs close to the leadership. As always, Jeremy has responded with dignified silence. We're facing a vitally important by-election. Keir needs to halt to this divisive behaviour.

— John McDonnell MP (@johnmcdonnellMP) May 24, 2021

Neil Coyle has been supping Red label Thunderbird for breakfast again

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 21:12 (two years ago) link

have we done this? can't see it upthread, just came across it on twitter and thought it was a joke but apparently it's not?

🚨🚨 | BREAKING: The government is concerned that Dominic Cummings will reveal that Boris Johnson missed numerous key coronavirus crisis meetings because he was working on a biography of Shakespeare, the money from which he needed to fund his divorce

Via @thesundaytimes

— Politics For All (@PoliticsForAlI) May 22, 2021

A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 24 May 2021 22:56 (two years ago) link

I’ve been keeping track. 😹

Sorry, Β£88,000 not Β£87,000, I can’t see the entry on the parliament site though. πŸ€·πŸ»β€β™€οΈ pic.twitter.com/3pHkrpTsy7

— Ginger Charlie (@GingerCharlie4) May 23, 2021

A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 24 May 2021 23:03 (two years ago) link

who actually buys this shit? forget it!

calzino, Monday, 24 May 2021 23:54 (two years ago) link

White men over the age of 65.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Monday, 24 May 2021 23:56 (two years ago) link

probably the very same readership that buy Tristam Hunt books. What fun it must be to be so incurious and finding something worthwhile in being bored rigid!

calzino, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 00:19 (two years ago) link

Cue a bunch of women asking the question, and the related question of why they should put more faith in party back channels that have historically failed.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 08:51 (two years ago) link

Being left-wing until the very moment she became an MP - utterly vile person.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 09:19 (two years ago) link

Interesting that even after all Tory membership is at 200k

Tory membership has increased 60% in the last three years and now stands at 200,000. Labour is losing 10,000 members a month, I'm reliably told. Ground game advantage will soon be gone.

— David__Osland (@David__Osland) May 25, 2021

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 11:00 (two years ago) link

As for ground game etc. You don't need to be a member to canvass as such you just show up. Conversely members don't have to show up either.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 11:02 (two years ago) link

the ground game advantage is already long gone imo and seemed like a myth in 2019 where I live. The word on the doorsteps is Kieth shags in his office and is truly inspirational.. what a legendary orator, now fuck off and let me vote Tory

calzino, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 11:08 (two years ago) link

those days when the Tories where too embarrassed to disclose how many members they had left was only a few years ago. I think they initially got a big boost from UKIP entryists who joined to vote for Boris.

calzino, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 11:15 (two years ago) link

Have v vivid memories of bumping into some old pals in a boozer in Kensington (before a B&S gig at the Royal Albert Hall, full disclosure) who had come down from the north-east after canvassing on Brexit vote day, and assured me that the Labour canvassing machine would secure the vote for remain as leave had no ground operation :/

Piedie Gimbel, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 11:35 (two years ago) link

i'm a bit naive but i'm not sure how annoying people in their homes helps much

Chickpeas, Scamps and Beeves (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 11:51 (two years ago) link

I'd imagine canvassing for Kieth would be about as much fun as hawking blank Betterware catalogues or something. But could imagine how people became enthused during Corbynism - even though they probably got puzzled indifference or told to fuck off most of the time.

calzino, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 12:11 (two years ago) link


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