Why Did They Retire?

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Cash went to spring training in 1981 but was released as the season started on April 4. He hit just .172 in the exhibition games for the Padres, yet it was still a shock to him to be let go. Cash said, “I know I hadn’t produced during the spring, but I was playing on a slightly injured knee. It occurred in batting practice, and the knee bothered me a bit after that. I’m not using it as an excuse, but it did have an effect.” After his release, he attempted to catch on with a team that would be a contender, but things never worked out.

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 21 May 2021 15:51 (one year ago) link

Thanks...so he definitely wanted to play. I though he might have gone to Japan, which many players did at the time.

clemenza, Friday, 21 May 2021 15:55 (one year ago) link

not Japan but...

In 1989, Cash played for the Orlando Juice of the Senior Professional Baseball Association. He hit .321 in 35 games with the team. The next season, he played for the Florida Tropics and hit .304 in 14 games before the league folded.

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 21 May 2021 16:00 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Javier Vázquez? His Wikipedia doesn't say anything about a career-ending injury.

In 2009, at the age of 32, he had a career year for the Braves: 6.2 bWAR, 4th in Cy Young voting. In 2010, he had the worst year of his career since his rookie season over a decade ago, but he bounced back in 2011 for the Marlins. He was 5-8 with a 5.23 ERA in the first half, but 8-3, 2.15 after the break. For the year, 2.8 WAR. In September of 2011, he was almost untouchable: 5 starts, 5-0, 0.71, 38 IP, 21 H, 36 K, 3 BB.

Granted free agency, never pitches in the majors again.

clemenza, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 03:44 (four months ago) link

Appropriately, Vazquez’s final start, on September 27, came against the franchise that drafted him, but was now located in Washington, and it finished in dramatic fashion. He had gone all the way as the Marlins and Nationals were tied 2-2 with two out in the bottom of the ninth. Marlins manager Jack McKeon had already decided that Vazquez would go out for the 10th, but Bryan Petersen made the decision moot as he smacked a game-winning solo shot. It was a nice way to go out.

“I’ve been blessed to be in the big leagues for 14 years. I feel it’s time,” he said after the game. “I’m glad I’m pitching well because it would be tough retiring on a bad note.”

Although Vazquez never pitched after that, he did consider representing Puerto Rico in the 2013 World Baseball Classic, but knee surgery prevented him from participating.

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 04:15 (four months ago) link

he spoke of retirement after the season, citing all the years spent toiling on the mound away from his family as a factor that could make him decide to call it quits.

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 04:17 (four months ago) link

Retired so he could spend more time with his family? I thought only politicians do that.

clemenza, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 04:51 (four months ago) link

If he had pitched another few years he had a great chance at 3000 K's and 200 wins, and could have retired with around 50-60 WAR. That's a Raffy Palmeiro type of semi-HOFer (rarely great, almost never among the best in the league, but durable and good for a long time).

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 06:38 (four months ago) link

Was definitely surprised at how strong (and consistent) his career box was.

clemenza, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 14:35 (four months ago) link

Some guys seem to get a boost when they know it’s their last hurrah.
Could be he’d made up his mind after the first half of that last season.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 14:56 (four months ago) link

Didn't realize how close he made it to 3000

I loved Vazquez for fantasy and would draft him every year even though he rarely had helpful rate stats. I don't think anyone thought of him as a potential HOFer while he was active, which might be one of the reasons he was willing to retire when he did

, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 17:33 (four months ago) link

I was at the game in Montreal where he gave Dontrelle Willis his first loss. Always loved watching him pitch.

WmC, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 17:40 (four months ago) link

I seem to recall Vazquez got roasted pretty good in the NY media for his failed season in pinstripes.

His fellow ex-White Sox Mark Buehrle was another one of that time that seemed to be still 'professional starting pitcher' when he called it quits at age 36.

Those guys made so much money, it is not surprising they might look at all the travel and the crap and said - see you later.

earlnash, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 22:58 (four months ago) link

four months pass...

Jermaine Dye?

Retired in 2009 after his age-35 season, no physical issues cited in his Wikipedia bio. He was coming off 27 HR/81 RBI, with a slash line of .250/.340/.453. For his last six seasons, his slash line was .276/.342/.515, including 44 HR/120 RBI in 2006 (5th in MVP voting), and 34/96 in 2008 (15th in MVP voting).

No one could have used him at DH?

clemenza, Saturday, 26 November 2022 02:20 (one week ago) link

Come Opening Day 2010, and Dye was still jobless. However, he only had himself to blame. He received offers from the Cubs, Brewers, and a $4 million deal with the Nationals, but turned them all down. A minor-league deal with the Dodgers presented itself, but he still declined. One former major-leaguer even dared to suggest that racism was to blame for Dye's unemployment.

Dye would ultimately announce his retirement in 2011, saying he was "at peace" with his decision, and that he would eventually like to get back into baseball.


So he did get offers (though for much less than the $11.5M he made in 2009).

clemenza, Saturday, 26 November 2022 02:24 (one week ago) link

.250/.340/.453 is probably pretty close to replacement level for a DH tbh. that 4mil deal would not have been a lowball

ciderpress, Saturday, 26 November 2022 02:49 (one week ago) link

Comparable, to a degree, to yesterday's signing of Santana; one guy took the money, one walked away.

clemenza, Saturday, 26 November 2022 14:55 (one week ago) link

Yeah, I think the market for older DH-types just collapsed. Hideki Matsui was also 35 in 2009, MVP of the WS, nothing but solid years for the Yankees, and there wasn't much of a market for him. Went from making 13M/yr on a multi-year deal to 6M on a one year deal.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 26 November 2022 15:33 (one week ago) link

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