xpost there is a TON of stuff on archive.org, fwiw
― sleeve, Thursday, 20 May 2021 17:42 (two years ago) link
https://archive.org/details/CoilFlacDiscography
― sleeve, Thursday, 20 May 2021 17:48 (two years ago) link
Is that torrent official? (Insofar as anything Coil-related is official anymore.)
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:29 (two years ago) link
xxxpost Hey JV, not sure why ilx mail wouldn't work but thanks for letting me know!
― willem, Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:36 (two years ago) link
@Hamildan this is a good introductory best of type compilation - https://www.discogs.com/Coil-The-Golden-Hare-With-A-Voice-Of-Silver/release/194197
― paolo, Friday, 21 May 2021 07:41 (two years ago) link
Via IF's bandcamp mail:
All the US orders will be shipped during the next several days
― willem, Friday, 21 May 2021 08:19 (two years ago) link
@paolo: that's the same compilation that Hamildan was talking about. Your link goes to the original version which is now deleted, the reissues are on Cold Spring.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Friday, 21 May 2021 08:29 (two years ago) link
Yeah, that comp is essential.
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 21 May 2021 10:30 (two years ago) link
Oops. Well here's an NTS mix that isn't exactly a best of but is a good introduction - https://www.nts.live/shows/in-focus/episodes/in-focus-coil-31st-october-2020
― paolo, Friday, 21 May 2021 11:05 (two years ago) link
The WaxTrax LSD on bandcamp is high res (96k/24bit) fyi for snake oil fans.
― Noel Emits, Friday, 21 May 2021 11:13 (two years ago) link
Buried at the bottom of the Wax Trax newsletter I almost deleted:
This is an update for all our Coil pre-orders. We have run into an issue with the upcoming release of Coil’s, Love’s Secret Domain. Like many other labels over this past year, we are getting word of some unforeseen delays in the record pressing supply chain. There has also been a quality issue in production that we weren’t happy with and as result the release will be pushed back approximately four weeks into July. The record pressing supply chain was out of our hands, but the quality issue is something we feel strongly about and ultimately we will have a superior product to pass along to you all.
Wonder if the CD will also be delayed
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 16:54 (two years ago) link
I'd imagine CD will be on time. I've run into the vinyl issue constantly in the past few months. All last year I had quality problems with various plants. And I was recently given an estimated 40 week turn around from a plant for a record.
― Oblique Strategies, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 18:09 (two years ago) link
That's insane! 40 weeks? Most bands are broken up by then!
I ordered both CD and LP so hopefully the CDs arrive on time, at least.
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 18:21 (two years ago) link
My copy of the Loves Secret Domain 3LP on Infinite Fog arrived. I'll keep this positive and say that I'm glad I bought the Wax Trax version too.
― Oblique Strategies, Thursday, 3 June 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link
i'm glad i avoided temptation.
i fear vinyl-geddon may be on the horizon. 40 week turnarounds and cost of manufacturing reaching a point where the dealer price is going to breach what shops are prepared to pay (at least for new / unknown / very niche artists).
― stirmonster, Thursday, 3 June 2021 19:16 (two years ago) link
― Oblique Strategies, Thursday, June 3, 2021 3:06 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
I bought both too, and am still awaiting my IF order, so give it to me straight: shoddy packaging, bad sq, or both?
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 3 June 2021 23:47 (two years ago) link
I know you're not asking me but I have the CD and no complaints about either (except the artwork being a bit dark maybe) ?
― StanM, Friday, 4 June 2021 04:29 (two years ago) link
the cd artwork looks like it was made at kinkos
― adam, Friday, 4 June 2021 12:46 (two years ago) link
OK, So the artwork is definitely dark on the vinyl too. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say that it may be closer to Stapleton's original art but the band must have increased the saturation for a reason to bring out the vivid red that I always associate with this record.The mastering and pressing are "fine". They exist in that uncanny valley where there's nothing fundamentally wrong about them but they lack life and spark. Your mileage may vary with that assessment depending on how much of an audiophile you are. I'm not able to pinpoint specifically what I DON'T like other than that it's the first time I've listened to Loves Secret Domain and it's felt like a bit of a chore.The additional tracks are interesting but not really essential. If you loved Swanyard then you'll probably enjoy them. Only the guitar only version of Teenage Lightning feels like something that could sit on Stolen and Contaminated Songs.The wooden box was nice and given how much people are trying to flip them for it's probably a better investment than most cryptocurrency...
― Oblique Strategies, Friday, 4 June 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link
it's probably a better investment than most cryptocurrency...
For sure. Coil prices are consistently crazy and they seem to have a lot of very well off fans. I sold a few Coil records early in the pandemic when I was in a big panic about having no income and my copies of Musick To Play In The Dark 1 & 2 raised enough to cover my mortgage for a few months.
― stirmonster, Friday, 4 June 2021 18:23 (two years ago) link
― stirmonster, Thursday, 3 June 2021 20:16 (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
Off topic, but I'm sure we've all noticed that the price of vinyl has been going up in recent years. If vinyl becomes less popular with mainstream consumers (I know that sounds super snobby but there you go) then will it become less expensive for underground artists to put records out? My understanding is that the main reason that the price of vinyl has gone up and pressing is taking longer is because of major labels clogging up the pressing plants.
― paolo, Saturday, 5 June 2021 09:56 (two years ago) link
My CD copy of LSD is finally in the post after having ordered it in April
― paolo, Saturday, 5 June 2021 09:57 (two years ago) link
My understanding is that the main reason that the price of vinyl has gone up and pressing is taking longer is because of major labels clogging up the pressing plants.
i fear it is going to be a very long time before the majors jump off what they perceive to be a vinyl gravy train. i also have a feeling purchasers of major label vinyl have a more price elastic relationship with it, so are more likely to be prepared to pay very high prices. i hope i am proved wrong.
― stirmonster, Saturday, 5 June 2021 10:33 (two years ago) link
My take - The smaller indies who are pressing under 2000 copies of records are about to stop pressing vinyl.Let's say they release 5 records per year with an average of 1000 copies pressed. That means they're out $50,000 (plus anything they advanced artists for recording) for up to 18 months before seeing a return from distributors. I don't see how that's tenable for most labels. It's peanuts to a major label though. They'll churn out Ghostbusters soundtracks for Record Store Day as long as people are willing to buy them.
Regarding pricing. I honestly think it was kept somewhat artificially low for a long time but the Discogs flippers have proven that people will pay. Especially for re-issues or limited editions. Example - I recently missed the announcement for a new press of a record for '92. The pre-order from the label ($19.99) sold out so any stores who had copies started selling it for $70. The label did another pressing to stop the gouging but yeah. People are paying that money pretty regularly it seems.
― Oblique Strategies, Saturday, 5 June 2021 20:10 (two years ago) link
yup the Diseno Corbusier reissues on Vinyilssimo immediately went oop and now are up to $70 each for new copies
― sleeve, Saturday, 5 June 2021 21:40 (two years ago) link
but i think the number of people prepared to pay $70 is very low. looking at Diseño Corbusier's El Alma De La Estrella repress as an example, it has sold 10 times on discogs in 2 years.
£36.83 Average£37.23 Median£43.39 Highest£25.98 Lowest
i agree people will pay HIGH prices for limited editions and reissues but it is depressing with regard to new releases. it can't end well.
― stirmonster, Sunday, 6 June 2021 00:57 (two years ago) link
^^ that's the one I missed, cheapest copy shipped in the US is $86. I do realize it was reissued in 2012, it's been a while.
― sleeve, Sunday, 6 June 2021 01:07 (two years ago) link
Excellent intereview with Stephen Thrower.
I do however vehemently disagree with Mark Pilkington's take on "Further Back And Faster" which has always been one of my LSD highlights, and also, while I am very crusty averse the didgeridoo use on LSD never bothered me.
https://thequietus.com/articles/30197-coil-loves-secret-domain-reissue
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 21:01 (two years ago) link
that's a great interview, thanks. agreed as well re: "Further Back" which totally rules
― sleeve, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 23:35 (two years ago) link
I mean
We hung out with the Buttholes several times, and Sleazy provided them with their infamous penis surgery projections.
!!!
― sleeve, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 23:41 (two years ago) link
noted the Love's Secret Domain remastered from original sources seems like shots fired against the Infinite Fog release.
lovely interview, seem like nice boys.
The good people at Waxtrax sent me a bandcamp DL code as the vinyl is delayed, so been enjoying the remaster ahead of one day receiving the vinyl.
― my opinionation (Hamildan), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 09:07 (two years ago) link
can you buy the waxtrax remaster from anywhere in the UK?
I managed to score a vinyl copy of MtPItD from juno recently btw
― Qamon (||||||||), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 09:09 (two years ago) link
Further Back is probably my favourite track on LSD
― paolo, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 16:47 (two years ago) link
Well well well, look what was added earlier this week.
https://archive.org/details/coil-barbican
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:38 (two years ago) link
bittersweet. i had a ticket for that but was sick and couldn't go.
― stirmonster, Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link
delayed again till supposedly august. man come on
im an anti steely dan /fleetwood mac guy now ... rumors represses causing further delays smh
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:51 (two years ago) link
you ain't seen nothing yet, sadly. delays will get way, way worse.
― stirmonster, Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:56 (two years ago) link
Maybe the last new record I will buy
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Thursday, 22 July 2021 22:41 (two years ago) link
my remastered wax trax Love's Secret Domain CD is almost here, just got the EU import bill - I'll compare it with the Infinite Fog one once I get it
― StanM, Monday, 26 July 2021 10:29 (two years ago) link
I so adore the concept of COIL hanging out with the Butthole Surfers.
― Alex in NYC, Monday, 26 July 2021 13:44 (two years ago) link
okay, my four CDs of Love's Secret Domain: 1991 < 2001 < infinite fog < wax trax
the Infinite Fog remaster doesn't sound bad at all, but the wax trax one clearly sounds better/more defined/stereo in my headphones.
― StanM, Monday, 2 August 2021 13:46 (two years ago) link
oh - and if your CD player can handle it, the wax trax one has a hidden track before the first one
― StanM, Monday, 2 August 2021 13:54 (two years ago) link
nice horse, would be a shame if it rotorvated— ians website (@statusset) August 19, 2021
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 August 2021 15:20 (two years ago) link
wax trax lsd reissue finally arrived last week, drew's essay is freakin awesome
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 13 September 2021 15:41 (two years ago) link
Still waiting for mine (since February, I think!). Tracking shows it's en route, though!
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 13 September 2021 17:13 (two years ago) link
it's so good, sounds great too
I put the sticker on my guitar, fuck the resale value
― sleeve, Monday, 13 September 2021 20:18 (two years ago) link
love the Annie Anxiety and Charles Hayward interview snippets, yes
― sleeve, Monday, 13 September 2021 20:19 (two years ago) link
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, September 13, 2021 10:41 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Got mine this weekend and agree 100%!!
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 00:00 (two years ago) link
Tracking on mine has said "Shipping Label Created, USPS Awaiting Item, Chicago, IL" since Thursday. You'd think after an eight month delay Wax Trax would, I dunno, ship the thing the same day they printed the label.
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 12:05 (two years ago) link
i wish this would get a uk release. shipping is just too much to justify buying it.
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 14:45 (two years ago) link