Israel to World: "Suck It."

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The "101" section of that website is one of the better and more fair-minded pro-Palestinian primers I've read, free of a lot of the hyperbole and myth you find on a lot of sites.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 01:53 (three years ago) link

đŸ”„ #PalestineOnStrike đŸ”„

Hearing that nearly all Palestinians are on strike.

So in awe of my ppl, my friends who've been doing the most.

UK: join one of these in solidarity, or do your own small thing âœŠđŸœ#PalestineOnStrikeUK #SaveSheikhJarrah #ÙÙ„ŰłŰ·ÙŠÙ†_ŰȘÙ‚Ű§ÙˆÙ… #GazaUnderAttack pic.twitter.com/nFVAhG3bM0

— ga-zell (@liddawiyeh) May 18, 2021

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 09:18 (three years ago) link

What a text

Saw a clip of Ghassan Kanafani going around and couldn’t help but think of how he closes his truly staggering 1956 short story, “Letter From Gaza” pic.twitter.com/U65e7rBsBY

— noah kulwin (@nkulw) May 11, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 12:10 (two years ago) link

gross

AIPAC now running ads with @IlhanMN's face next to Hamas rockets.

If this isn't blatant Islamophobia, I don't know what is. pic.twitter.com/XSvCbpKsjJ

— Jeremy Slevin (@jeremyslevin) May 18, 2021

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 14:10 (two years ago) link

I really hope Omar has even semi decent security

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 14:28 (two years ago) link

Mob Violence Against Palestinians in Israel Is Fueled by Groups on WhatsApp

Social media is a plague.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 15:58 (two years ago) link

pic.twitter.com/ZS6WdQd1LE

— Gabriella Paiella (@GMPaiella) May 18, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 16:08 (two years ago) link

Ilhan Omar: 'At least 10 Israelis , including 2 children, have also been killed by indiscriminate Hamas rocket attacks. To be clear, this is also a war crime.'

also Ilhan Omar: 'We should be affirming the right of all people, regardless of their faith, to have self-determination and equal rights. That includes both Israelis and Palestinians because, yes, Palestinian lives matter.'

APAIC part of the plague.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 16:13 (two years ago) link

The latest episode of World To Win is really good:

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2021/05/37-free-palestine-an-interview-with-akram-salhab

Yes it's a podcast, yes it's good. SORRY.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 16:40 (two years ago) link

Disappointed in u

plax (ico), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 18:10 (two years ago) link

Rachel Kushner - https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/why-did-you-throw-stones/

Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, 20 May 2021 15:55 (two years ago) link

that is really good, thanks

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 May 2021 16:29 (two years ago) link

LISTEN UP

Democratic presidential administrations do seem to inspire Hamas to attack Israel. Wonder why that is. The last major wave of terrorism from Hamas came in the Obama years.

— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) May 20, 2021

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:34 (two years ago) link

right wing psycho has dumb opinion, news at 11

the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:36 (two years ago) link

Send Erick Erickson to live permanently in Gaza and he'd change his tune.

What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:38 (two years ago) link

not sure he would, tbh

the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:40 (two years ago) link

not good

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 20 May 2021 19:28 (two years ago) link

Seems like a ceasefire has been agreed upon, thank god for all the citizens.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 20 May 2021 20:21 (two years ago) link

If this means you can stop relentlessly both-sidesing this situation VHS that’s just another little thing to be thankful for

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 20 May 2021 20:24 (two years ago) link

Yeah sorry no, saying Hamas is comitting war crimes is a seperate issue than the right of return for all palestinians (which I support).

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 20 May 2021 20:49 (two years ago) link

In past 11 days of devastating Israeli offensive on Gaza Strip:

232 people were killed, including 65 children

1,900 wounded

90,000 people displaced acc to UN

1800 housing units destroyed

74 govt facilities bombed

33 media centres destroyed

6 high rise buildings leveled

— Ù„ÙŠÙ†Ű© (@LinahAlsaafin) May 20, 2021

Left, Thursday, 20 May 2021 21:12 (two years ago) link

Israel’s worst nightmare — turning the entirety of Palestine into multiple points of friction defined by a multiplicity of resistance tactics — has already happened. This must continue. We rest to mobilise not to go back.

— Rana (@RanaGaza) May 20, 2021

Left, Thursday, 20 May 2021 21:12 (two years ago) link

Just because there’s a ceasefire, doesn’t mean the death & destruction has ended, doesn’t mean the blockade is lifted, doesn’t mean those who lost their entires families will be rectified. We must continue to our campaign to end the brutal siege and colonialism. #FreePalestine.

— mohammed el-kurd (@m7mdkurd) May 20, 2021

Left, Thursday, 20 May 2021 21:12 (two years ago) link

Just because there’s a ceasefire, doesn’t mean the death & destruction has ended, doesn’t mean the blockade is lifted, doesn’t mean those who lost their entires families will be rectified. We must continue to our campaign to end the brutal siege and colonialism. #FreePalestine.

— mohammed el-kurd (@m7mdkurd) May 20, 2021

Left, Thursday, 20 May 2021 21:13 (two years ago) link

sorry double post

Just because there’s a ceasefire, doesn’t mean the death & destruction has ended, doesn’t mean the blockade is lifted, doesn’t mean those who lost their entires families will be rectified. We must continue to our campaign to end the brutal siege and colonialism. #FreePalestine.

— mohammed el-kurd (@m7mdkurd) May 20, 2021

Left, Thursday, 20 May 2021 21:13 (two years ago) link

well it's worth saying thrice

Left, Thursday, 20 May 2021 21:13 (two years ago) link

Protestors shut down the Israeli arms company Elbit Systems factory in Leicester (key site of drone production in the UK). They plan to stay on the roof indefinitely. Firefighters refused to help the police remove the protestors. https://t.co/Lcaz5tQbjE

— Priya Satia (@PriyaSatia) May 20, 2021

Left, Thursday, 20 May 2021 21:14 (two years ago) link

reminder

The colonial monopoly on violence is backed by the liberal demand for nonviolent resistance.

— MTP (@tsengputterman) May 12, 2021

Left, Thursday, 20 May 2021 21:19 (two years ago) link

you can stop relentlessly both-sidesing this situation VHS

Usually both-sidesing is used to denote an exercise in false equivalence, but in my reading of VHS's posts they seem more in the spirit of a jury member in a civil trial, where the jury is instructed to apportion the percentage of responsibility each party must bear, and VHS clearly states that the Israeli government bears the preponderance of responsibility, but not the totality of it. iow, maybe 80% or 90%, but not 100%.

the human propensity for the reduction of complexity to simple binaries is especially strong when applying moral standards. we love to designate a bad guy, which in turn identifies the good guy. VHS pointed out he rejects this analysis, but he's been equally clear in condemning Israeli actions and intransigence, too.

or maybe you don't agree with that reading

What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Friday, 21 May 2021 04:09 (two years ago) link

Only cunts give a fuck about Hamas right now.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 21 May 2021 08:46 (two years ago) link

As has been pointed out elsewhere, the 'liberal demand for nonviolent resistance' has, in this particular case, been accompanied by a virulent liberal condemnation of nonviolent resistance.

the pinefox, Friday, 21 May 2021 08:58 (two years ago) link

that's true

Left, Friday, 21 May 2021 09:10 (two years ago) link

Aimless, I couldn't care less about anyone's apportioning of blame. The issue before us is Israel's daily oppression of Palestinians and their attempts to make them strangers in their own lands. That is 100% Israel's responsibility. And the responsibility of all those countries who apologise for them and explain away their actions. You think when a gang of bullies goes to beat some poor schmuck into the sidewalk outside a nightclub and he manages to land a couple of punches before the ambulance comes VHS is standing there going "Hmm.. yes... the preponderance of guilt lies with the bullies but the videotape clearly shows a punch or two landing from the other direction. Officers, this man is responsible for I'd estimate 7-12% of the violence here". State of this shit.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 21 May 2021 09:17 (two years ago) link

Last 4 posts OTM.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 21 May 2021 09:54 (two years ago) link

hamas clearly bears a lot of responsibility for the escalation of violence, but it doesn’t matter, cause if it wasn’t hamas, it would be something else that “forced israel's hand”

this article was otm: https://peterbeinart.substack.com/p/if-israel-eliminated-hamas-nothing

the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Friday, 21 May 2021 11:55 (two years ago) link

A pizzeria in north Leeds are selling a pizza shaped line the Palestinian flag with proceeds going to a charity for traumatised children and people are accusing them of funnelling money to Hamas. Good and normal

— đŸ€  (@wank_666) May 21, 2021

xyzzzz__, Friday, 21 May 2021 11:58 (two years ago) link

I got one of those sickening propaganda ads from the Israeli Ministry of Strategic Affairs and Public Diplomacy before a Youtube video last night

nashwan, Friday, 21 May 2021 12:05 (two years ago) link

i get the sense that they are well aware the usual lines have been less effective this time

Left, Friday, 21 May 2021 12:35 (two years ago) link

at least among those who may previously have been receptive to them while being uncomfortable with openly genocidal sentiment (and being able to use that word at all here is indicative of some kind of a shift)

a lot of that is down to tireless Palestinian agitation, it also seems that allied BLM-related movements have played a big role in raising awareness of what has been happening & changing how it is understood

Left, Friday, 21 May 2021 12:49 (two years ago) link

The notion of targeting civilians and civilians infrastructure instead of ... the actual IDF would make you think that clear intent has never been self-defense, nor the welfare of Palestinians.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 21 May 2021 13:48 (two years ago) link

VHS please read voodoo chili’s link and reflect on your constant desire to return the conversation to Hamas.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 21 May 2021 13:52 (two years ago) link

That might be the first time I've ever agreed with Peter Beinart.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 May 2021 13:55 (two years ago) link

lol same

Tracer Hand, Friday, 21 May 2021 14:01 (two years ago) link

is he usually notm? i've only read his big pieces on palestinian right-of-return and his binational israel-palestine dream

the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Friday, 21 May 2021 14:07 (two years ago) link

besides the article i shared, obv

the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Friday, 21 May 2021 14:07 (two years ago) link

Beinart was a notorious advocate of war with Iraq.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 May 2021 14:15 (two years ago) link

he also had the eye-popping temerity to take Jonah Goldberg seriously

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 May 2021 14:16 (two years ago) link


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