Marvel Cinematic Universe, Phase 4 & Beyond (and a chance to change your vote)

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So was looking for an old post of mine from ILM and found this, New Mavel films which may have been the first post on ILX re the MCU

obviously I misspelled Marvel, but was interested to see the initially planned/announced films such as Shang-Chi (which obv has ended up being what 15, 20 movies on?)

H in Addis, Saturday, 15 May 2021 19:50 (one month ago) link

Ya gotta start somewhere!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 May 2021 20:54 (one month ago) link

Power Pack destined to get a gritty reboot, I tell ya.

Nhex, Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:35 (one month ago) link

There have been reports that the delays in making non-white-male films were significantly due to Mar-A-Lago’s beloved uncle Ike.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:44 (one month ago) link

Hmm, I wouldn’t be surprised

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:45 (one month ago) link

Oh, those are all going to suck.
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, September 6, 2005 1:46 PM (fifteen years ago)

Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 15 May 2021 22:42 (one month ago) link

I mean

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Saturday, 15 May 2021 23:55 (one month ago) link

I trust that review but only insofar as his descriptions of the show are accurate representations of just how not funny it is.

The fact that this was actually made by the Robot Chicken animation studio kinda seals the deal for me to the extent that the deal wasn't already pretty much sealed.

Slime Goobody (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 May 2021 18:27 (one month ago) link

I find a lot of Robot Chicken funny but most of it is due to Seth Green afaict

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Monday, 17 May 2021 18:58 (one month ago) link

Ant Man!!!!

Man, they are gonna have a hard time turning this stuff into something interesting...

― iodine (iodine), Tuesday, September 6, 2005 11:13 PM (fifteen years ago)

they should do Nick Fury like he is in the ultimate x-men comics (actually that's all i really know him by)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:52 AM (fifteen years ago)

If they keep the tone of Brubaker's Captain America, I'll be down.
the Avengers - Oh fuck off. This movie will never be made, and shame on them for pretending it might be.
Ant-Man - Only if it's a remake of Inner Space.

― Huk-L Has Spoken. (Huk-L), Wednesday, September 7, 2005 2:47 AM (fifteen years ago)

From the director of Rocky 7

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 17 May 2021 19:48 (one month ago) link

it's kind of hilarious how wildly wrong that thread was about how these movies would be received

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Monday, 17 May 2021 19:49 (one month ago) link

deleted scene of wanda and agatha fighting in the finale #MTVAwards #WandaVision

— ken (@wandaslizzie) May 17, 2021

Nhex, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 01:06 (one month ago) link

xpost It's easy to forget that most pre-MCU Marvel movies were garbage. I certainly assumed the MCU would follow suit.

Slime Goobody (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 01:39 (one month ago) link

One last Loki trailer

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 18:23 (one month ago) link

When does this bunkum come out

Few more weeks

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 23:43 (one month ago) link

Yep, June 9th

groovypanda, Thursday, 20 May 2021 10:27 (one month ago) link

"Throughout the years we have never interfered, until now."

Watch the brand-new teaser trailer for Marvel Studios' #Eternals and experience it in theaters this November.

— Marvel Studios (@MarvelStudios) May 24, 2021

As someone who doesn't know anything about the Eternals, this ... doesn't make me want to learn. I mean, it'll probably be solid, but I need more data.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 May 2021 13:56 (one month ago) link

I mean, it'll probably be solid, but I need more data.

"Alexa, what is a teaser trailer?"

groovypanda, Monday, 24 May 2021 14:05 (one month ago) link

knowing anything about the eternals would not make it any more interesting fwiw

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 24 May 2021 14:07 (one month ago) link

There's a tease, and then there's "here's two minutes of solemn figures standing and looking solemn."

So again, knowing nothing myself, are there people out there that will Jolie as Queen Spaceathena and think, "zomg, she nails it, I am so psyched!' For sure, I'd totally believe it, just have no idea.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 May 2021 14:49 (one month ago) link

Josh, have you met people

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Monday, 24 May 2021 14:54 (one month ago) link

so this one has robb stark AND jon snow in it?

the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Monday, 24 May 2021 14:54 (one month ago) link

Bear in mind I did not know what would come up when I searched this but I had a hunch

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Monday, 24 May 2021 15:07 (one month ago) link

Lol, I have met people, but most importantly I was once a 13-year old boy who had a little calendar where I would scribble down the release dates of awesome movies I was psyched to see, like "Dead Heat." So I guess I knew the answer already.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 May 2021 15:07 (one month ago) link

"Angeline Jolie IS Spacequeen!"

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 May 2021 15:08 (one month ago) link

Only Kirby/von Daniken stans are pre-stoked for this, guessing. Plus fans of the actors and anyone who's enjoying a more diverse MCU. The Celestials are pretty cool (as shown in a GotG scene). Kirby gave them fun names like Bill the Judger and Tim the Improver (not really), but they aren't humanized and don't talk. One of the Eternals, Ajak, interprets for them, so they just stand about ominously.

The Eternals to me were a strange "the gods are based on them" variant in a comics universe that had already incorporated Greek and Norse gods (and other mythologies?), so felt superfluous and conflicting. Also, I'm not a huge Kirby fan, so big panels of cosmic Kirby machines weren't awesome. Going into this with no expectations, so hopefully will be surprised.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 24 May 2021 15:18 (one month ago) link

at the very least it's gonna look very pretty

the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Monday, 24 May 2021 15:21 (one month ago) link

It's going to be about a bunch of space people wandering America doing seasonal work.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 May 2021 15:58 (one month ago) link

As a huge Kirby fan this looks like dull as dishwater cosplay.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 24 May 2021 15:59 (one month ago) link

yyyyyeah, i'm kinda there with you but high hopes for Zhao temper that.

Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Monday, 24 May 2021 18:04 (one month ago) link

"I'm gonna be honest, the Eternals wasn't in my top three for most anticipated movie of phase 4, but after seeing that teaser trailer I'm all for it - The cinematography is absolutely incredible!"

— Will 🦥 Menaker (@willmenaker) May 24, 2021

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 12:46 (one month ago) link

IGN article about the Eternals, if anyone wants background.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 18:40 (four weeks ago) link

Have just rewatched Dr Strange. Did anything come of that final post credits scene?

groovypanda, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 19:54 (four weeks ago) link

ha, forgot about that entirely!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 20:07 (four weeks ago) link

With Mordo? He's returning in DS 2, In the Multiverse of Madness. The Wikipedia entry states In the film, Strange unleashes an unspeakable evil as he faces a friend-turned-enemy, which seems like a Mordo / Nightmare combo based on other news. Scarlet Witch and Miss America (character who apparently opens doors to alternate realities?) also included.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 20:08 (four weeks ago) link

Wait, did I know they were introducing America Chavez in that sequel? I'm not sure I did. Anyway that character rules

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 20:12 (four weeks ago) link

I didn't know she was going to be in DS 2, but I knew she was imminent in the MCU.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 20:18 (four weeks ago) link

I've seen rumors that Shuma-Gorath may be the heavy (or a heavy, at least) in DS2, pursuing America Chavez through the multiverse.

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 22:26 (four weeks ago) link

I am actually super psyched to see America Chavez on-screen, but I might be the only one.

Nhex, Thursday, 27 May 2021 00:15 (four weeks ago) link

definitely not. high risk character but awesome if they get it right.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2021 01:05 (four weeks ago) link

With Mordo? He's returning in DS 2, In the Multiverse of Madness.

Thanks. Did wonder if that was the case and guess they weren't expecting a six year gap between the films when shooting the first one

groovypanda, Thursday, 27 May 2021 06:53 (four weeks ago) link

Originally should've been out in late 2020 (four years after the first, and one year after Endgame). Forgot about the director turnover and Raimi eventually getting the job, and obviously COVID didn't help...

Nhex, Thursday, 27 May 2021 13:23 (four weeks ago) link

"The Eternals to me were a strange "the gods are based on them" variant in a comics universe that had already incorporated Greek and Norse gods (and other mythologies?), so felt superfluous and conflicting"

Kirby had no intention of setting the Eternals in the mainstream Marvel continuity, and in fact bristled when the likes of Roy the Boy, Mark Gruenwald and other kontinuity kops at Marvel tried to fit it in with the marvel cosmology…one of the oldest comics I have is the issue of thor in the middle of what is retroactively known as the eternals saga after Jack's eternals series proper ended in which Roy the Boy crowbarred the eternals and the celestials alongside the Marvel Asgard, Olympus, etc etc

Those guys called him "Jack the Hack" at the time, being as his dialogue was pretty jagged and his art so defiantly stylized…was jack gonna try to be more like Neal Adams? Not bloody likely! He had no interest in fitting everything tidily together, the way Thomas, Gruenwald and indeed the Marvel fanbase desired… I gotta say that I love that Roy thomas during this run was so gripped by his compulsion that part of the above run saw him devote several issues to why the blonde thor doesn't resemble the red-haired bearded lout that Norse myth tended to represent…

veronica moser, Thursday, 27 May 2021 15:06 (four weeks ago) link

Thanks for that explanation. As a kid, maybe was conditioned to expect connections and want the tidiness. Marvel Team-Up combining Spider-Man with Killraven and Conan, etc.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 27 May 2021 15:24 (four weeks ago) link

i always assumed The Eternals was a kirby's limited series marvel reboot take of the fourth world stuff, no?
in a better world, kirby would be the dc and marvel cameo god

Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 27 May 2021 16:35 (four weeks ago) link

well it for sure was a continuation of the Fourth World shit that also didn't succeed at DC… at DC, the likes of Carmine Infantino and Julie Schwartz were not going to say "what you're doing here needs to fit in with everything else, Jack" because in the early 70s DC was still run by older guys who were bemused by fans turned pro/archeologists like Roy the Boy…he and the other fans turned pros were the ones that decreed that Devil Dinosaur, Killraven, Deathlok and I think even the allegedly very good Dracula (haven't read it) are all in Marvel continuity…the Marvel older guy brass like Stan and Romita were like "uh, ok, seems a little anal, but you guys seem to know what the nerds want, fine, it's all in continuity," whereas the DC older guys were like "what the fuck are you young nerds talking about?"

the Eternals were supposed to keep going like any other series, as mini- or maxi- series had not been even contemplated at the time… the Eternals didn't have a breakout character like Darkseid…and for that matter, it was somebody else's idea that Starlin's similarly inclined denizens of Titan that gave us Thanos, Eros et al were in fact Eternals who had seceded from Earth… in that case, I think making that connection was a perfectly good idea, although I think Starlin is like "I had no intention of linking those two races up… whatever, Gru" or whoever came up with that…

veronica moser, Thursday, 27 May 2021 17:55 (four weeks ago) link

part of what makes the fourth world collections so much fun is that jimmy olsen and superman just barge into this whole separate universe over here that neither they nor we know anything about and everything is equally compelling and visually exciting so you have a sense of wonders upon wonders
there have been a zillion new universes since but i think maybe only kirby figured out how to do it right

Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 27 May 2021 18:16 (four weeks ago) link

shocked that you nerds aren't already talking loki. is a thread necessary?

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