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I grind other people's teeth

Evan, Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link

I’ve clashed heads with calz and even FPed him a few times but calz has never made any comments even 1/4 as disgraceful as Aimless’s in that thread, and the fact Aimless decided to complain about that thread in relation to completely the wrong user says it all. Calz might get a bit angry but he’s not out here posting conspiratorial stuff about Muslims taking over France being a legitimate concern, so Aimless, wind your neck in and stop embarrassing yourself, please.

Scamp Granada (gyac), Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link

If you want a place to feel comfortable posting that or you feel like ilx is somehow lacking, you’ve got the entire rest of the internet.

Scamp Granada (gyac), Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:58 (two years ago) link

the penetrating eye has logged on

calzino, Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:00 (two years ago) link

If embarrassing myself were a deterrent to posting, I'd have quit ilx twenty years ago.

sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:01 (two years ago) link

No time like the present.

Scamp Granada (gyac), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:03 (two years ago) link

btw, I've never had the slightest concern that Muslims were taking over France, so it seems unlikely to me that I ever directly expressed such a concern. Could you clarify wtf you are referencing?

sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:03 (two years ago) link

I presume you are not peeved when I make the assumption that (quoting myself) "racism, xenophobia and economic ghettoization are the real problems to address." Not having seen the Hebdo caricatures, I have to take your word that they constitute hate speech. Nor do I know how the teacher conducted the discussion about them. I have not read a description of how that lesson was taught, but have seen it asserted that the lesson being taught was within the curriculum.

My major assumption is that France needs to work much harder and more visibly on alleviating the real problems of economic stagnation within and xenophobia against muslim communities. That's pure justice. But I also consider that this act was not merely a blind lashing out, but a demonstration of intent and no society can afford to concede the legitimacy that intent, no matter how legitimate the grievance.

― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 01:33 (six months ago) link


It's just a matter of whose culture gets to be "neutral."

That's an essentially accurate observation of an underlying truth and defining a problem is usually a basic step toward solving it. However, no matter which way I turn that truth, I can't see a solution falling out of it that resolves the essential conflict that rises out of fundamentally clashing cultural values. The particular Islamists who encouraged this crime do not want toleration or neutrality, but enough power to create a hegemony for their own religiously-inspired or religiously-justified ideas.

If it is their culture that gets to be 'neutral', then the result would be far harsher laws suppressing other cultural norms than the French laws against the display of religious symbols in public schools. Full and free expression of secular humanism would absolutely not be allowed. I don't see that outcome as preferable, according to my culturally hegemonic 'western' beliefs.

So, when it comes to whose culture is considered 'neutral' in this power struggle (because that is what the execution of the teacher was about), I am going to side with the French Republic over the Islamists who perpetrated this crime every time. At least the Republic allows avenues for the redress of wrongs and may conceivably arrive at a compromise solution amenable to the majority of muslims in France.

― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 19 October 2020 23:11 (six months ago) link

Aimless... the idea that there are enough pro-murder Muslims out there to enact some fanatical Islamic Republic in France is..... un peu bizarre, n'est-ce pas

― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 October 2020 23:16 (six months ago) link

Scamp Granada (gyac), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:05 (two years ago) link

oh dear, boss won't like what I've done here at all.

If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:10 (two years ago) link

I said it at the time but Islamophobia seems to be no biggie to a lot of people on ILX. Calzino swearing on the other hand.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:13 (two years ago) link

I do miss LBI tho

Pinefox reviews Reviews (wins), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:17 (two years ago) link

Email him, I’m sure he’d love to hear from you :)

Scamp Granada (gyac), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:17 (two years ago) link

yeah email him. unrelated, but would a pool noodle or dancing lessons better incentivize you to consider reaching out to a newly absent ilxor?

If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:20 (two years ago) link

LOL Aimless went to all the trouble of dredging up a thread from last year in order to make some point or other about an ILXor being driven off the board by a baying mob - driven off very slowly, mind you, like 6 months later - and couldn't even get his name right!

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:21 (two years ago) link

the penetrating eye

calzino, Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:22 (two years ago) link

Honestly, when gyac said Euler last posted in March, I thought, "Well, a year is a long time, after all, let bygones be bygones..." Little realizing it was March 2021!

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:25 (two years ago) link

fyi, Euler was called an islamophobe on other unrelated threads more recently than 6 months ago

If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:27 (two years ago) link

to get him to go away

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:27 (two years ago) link

I should think

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:27 (two years ago) link

well Aimless sure thought so, and then i posted some stuff about it as well. look just invite someone else to the board if you really badly want someone to leave. there's a pool noodle in it for you.

If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:30 (two years ago) link

or possibly dance lessons

If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:30 (two years ago) link

which one excited you more, silby? (feel free to expand on why)

If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:31 (two years ago) link

The particular Islamists who encouraged this crime do not want toleration or neutrality, but enough power to create a hegemony for their own religiously-inspired or religiously-justified ideas.

You mean you genuinely cannot distinguish between my stating what a very small group of fanatics ardently desires, and my stating that they might accomplish it? You can argue that I am wrong and that no such desire exists anywhere in any tiny fraction of the Muslims resident in France. You cannot use that quote to argue that it establishes I was afraid of their fulfilling that desire. I can tell you, that was not my thought or my meaning and it wasn't contained in what I said.

I've had too many of these arguments in the past thirty years. But no one ever backtracks on their misreadings. They locate the meaning they infer as being plainly implied, even when it isn't. If you can say something other than mislabeling, misreading, mischaracterizing, or invective, I'll consider responding further.

sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:41 (two years ago) link

“pick up the gun, gyac”

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:45 (two years ago) link

I'll consider responding further.

― sharpening the contraindications (Aimless)

no don't throw me into the briar patch

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:48 (two years ago) link

xxp don’t bother, you can fucking keep it.

Scamp Granada (gyac), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:51 (two years ago) link

aimless i’m pretty sure we can all read and interpret your posts just fine. have a think about what’s being said.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:54 (two years ago) link

You lot done shitting up yet another unrelated thread with your tiresome beefs with each other? No?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:19 (two years ago) link

tiresome? this thread's drama made about 2 hours go by much quicker for me today.

John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:21 (two years ago) link

what would I do without my stories

Evan, Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:27 (two years ago) link

There's nothing in the world more powerful than a good story. Nothing can stop it. No enemy can defeat it. And who has a better story than Evan the Grinder? The boy who ground up other people's teeth… He's our tooth grinder. The keeper of all our ground up teeth. More mess and gak when we come back, so you don't you double dare go anywhere. there's a pool noodle in it for you.

If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 May 2021 22:01 (two years ago) link

or possibly dance lessons

If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 May 2021 22:04 (two years ago) link

it's aging like milk is this thread

calzino, Thursday, 13 May 2021 22:45 (two years ago) link

just to close the loop with my very successful revive: i miss LBI too.

parenthetically yours, (Karl Malone), Thursday, 13 May 2021 22:46 (two years ago) link

Hadrian emailed me back, btw.

hip hop hooray-drian!

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 May 2021 16:24 (two years ago) link

I don't know if this is the best thread to post this terribly sad news on, but a number of us early-on ILXors, whether still here or not, have all just learned today of the tragic passing of one of us from said early days, Andrew Thomas from New Zealand. He posted here under a variety of names over time, and I had a chance to meet him at an Auckland get-together back in 2002 during my trip. He was active on Facebook and we had kept in general touch there, though not as closely as some other mutual friends from here. This happened a couple of weeks ago but our circle just learned over the course of today; without dwelling on the details, his struggle for sobriety was the cause. He was a good and friendly person, and he'll be missed.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 May 2021 03:25 (two years ago) link

i'm very sorry to hear that.

parenthetically yours, (Karl Malone), Thursday, 20 May 2021 04:59 (two years ago) link

I exchanged a few sad DMs with him last year. He remembered me well, and I'm sorry he's gone.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 20 May 2021 05:19 (two years ago) link

oh no, that is terrible

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Thursday, 20 May 2021 13:31 (two years ago) link

RIP Andrew :(

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 May 2021 13:32 (two years ago) link

Seem to remember another Andrew from Down Under who had a different name, don't know if I was around at the same time as this Andrew, but it's still sad. RIP.

Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 20 May 2021 14:14 (two years ago) link

Yes that was someone else, Andrew in Melbourne, andrewnf IIRC, who helped keep the board going there for a while technically.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 May 2021 14:26 (two years ago) link

Sad news indeed about Andrew, I think he was already gone by the time I got here in 03 but I recall seeing his older posts on the old mongrels threads.

And I wonder what did happen to eneff? I keep thinking about him getting mad over the up the arse corner thread with his STOP THIS AT ONCE threadlock tantrum.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 21 May 2021 01:23 (two years ago) link

he's out there somewhere, shirtless

mookieproof, Friday, 21 May 2021 01:25 (two years ago) link

lol

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 21 May 2021 02:18 (two years ago) link

that brow

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 21 May 2021 05:35 (two years ago) link

marcos

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

I hope onimo is doing OK.

How does Spock's brain come into this? (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 September 2021 13:43 (one year ago) link

Likewise

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 9 September 2021 15:59 (one year ago) link


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