And I hear that Hanoi Rocks and Wasp have a lot more critical acclaim plus credit with other types of metal fans who might not care for glam?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 13 May 2021 18:59 (two years ago) link
that makes sense.digging around i found a white lion 2cd anthology i had forgotten about, and even a w.a.s.p cd (inside the electric circus).both of which i am not sure i have ever listened to.could be an interesting, unexpected weekend soundtrack here.
― mark e, Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:01 (two years ago) link
xpost.
W.A.S.P. are more traditional heavy metal with glam elements than pure glam. Rock 'n roll is a big part of glam and it is with W.A.S.P. as well - hence lots of their cover song choices.
they definitely dressed the part for glam, though there was a bit of a shock rock element to their wardrobe too. the sleaze was there in full force, in the lyrics, the music, the performance. the chorus harmonies are pure glam, though Blackie's voice is a bit shrill compared to other glam vocalists (other than maybe Tom Keifer). but the riffing and songs could be much more aggressive than that scene at times too. especially on like Headless Children, or the back half of the s/t.
it's actually a pretty masterful blend as they liked to savagely cave your skull in but with catchy melodies and pretty harmonies.
I love W.A.S.P.
― Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:05 (two years ago) link
oooh INside the Electric Circus is great! it's no s/t but you should enjoy.
WASP/Electric Circus : title track on now - and yeah, this hits the spot.i clearly prefer the dirtier sound as opposed to the clean side of this era.
― mark e, Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:07 (two years ago) link
well then you'll love W.A.S.P., who basically bathe in bacon grease and KY Jelly
― Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:09 (two years ago) link
glad you like that first LA Guns, sleaze masterpiece
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:09 (two years ago) link
just remembered I did buy that first LA Guns during my hair metal revisitation period and I did indeed like that one.
― Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:10 (two years ago) link
Going back to my initial misgivings, the issue as I see it is that just about all of these bands were equally inspired by Kiss and Van Halen, but none of them were even close to as good as Van Halen and at best some of them were about as good as Kiss, which is about as meaningless a victory as you can get. The smartest or the best of the bunch were the ones the hewed closest to '70s hard rock and punk.
I do feel a little bad for a lot of these folks. They were making so much money but ultimately losing so much more, and in the end if the only reason you're making music at all is for the adulation and the booze/drugs/girls that goes with it, and those things go away, then you're not left with much. It's not like Rikki Rockett was going to start writing bestsellers, you know? That said, I'm sure all of these bands are doing fine on the nostalgia circuit, along with their equivalents from the same or other decades. And at the end of the book the aforementioned Mr. Rockett is now espousing the virtues of girls in their '30s.
Oh, and back to this dude:
I went to a college with a guy who, well into the latter half of the '90s, would argue strenuously that Kip Winger was a criminally underrated musical genius.
A few years back Winger got a Grammy nom for Best Classical Contemporary Composition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L81u2K2d3To
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:13 (two years ago) link
Hanoi Rocks were fully in the middle of it imo- influenced a lot of ppl in the scene & then there’s Razzle’s death in 84 w Vince Neil inextricably linked you could say
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:37 (two years ago) link
I feel like Hanoi Rocks were your favorite band's favorite band
I don't remember anyone actually listening to them back then
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:50 (two years ago) link
Yeah I feel like they were always kinda whispered about as being "legends" among hair metal kids back in junior high, but no one had really ever heard them because you didn't see their records around.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:51 (two years ago) link
They never really toured America, right? Until '84 or whatever? But yeah, they're definitely in the sub-genre's sleazy DNA.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:54 (two years ago) link
Hanoi Rocks were the only glam/hair band that had a saxophone
― Josefa, Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:55 (two years ago) link
Obv. Johnny Thunders was the patron saint to a lot of these folks, too.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:56 (two years ago) link
Haha, I didn't realize (or forgot) that that was the same Kip Winger!
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 13 May 2021 19:59 (two years ago) link
Litterer Band was from northern Iowa and played the MN circuit some, always liked this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMia4oEwbi4
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:06 (two years ago) link
Johnny Thunders was basically the pivot point between Faster Pussycat and The Replacements, not that the latter would have liked to admit it.
― did you hear about the midnight ambler gambler? (Matt #2), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:13 (two years ago) link
Angel of course were another massive 70s-era influence on all this stuff, and also spawned both Giuffria and House of Lords. More satin and silk than scarves and bangles though, image-wise.
― did you hear about the midnight ambler gambler? (Matt #2), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:17 (two years ago) link
Starz too
Girl was the early 80s NWOBHM attempt at emulating the NY Dolls, featuring later members of LA Guns and Def Leppard. Hair metal was never likely to be done successfully by Brits though, later bands like Dogs D'Amour and the Quireboys were more sleazy rock'n'roll than shred-glam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4pWGrvt8yM
― did you hear about the midnight ambler gambler? (Matt #2), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:23 (two years ago) link
Although let's not forget Wrathchild
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwT2X93BrKc
― did you hear about the midnight ambler gambler? (Matt #2), Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:53 (two years ago) link
what about.... Disney After Dark (D.A.D.) from Denmark?
― brimstead, Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:18 (two years ago) link
xpost Points for bringing out a bazooka, minus points for having it fire confetti. I think they can be safely forgotten.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:21 (two years ago) link
Wrathchild was fantastic, imaging a universe where even the LA Strip bands loved Motorhead.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:22 (two years ago) link
I guess there were some serious Motorhead vibes.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:27 (two years ago) link
Great band!
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:29 (two years ago) link
were there two Wrathchilds? because I swear I remember Wrathchild America
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:32 (two years ago) link
https://www.discogs.com/artist/1359235-Wrathchild-America
Shannon Larkin left the band in 1994 to fill the drum seat in Ugly Kid Joe; and some time later in Godsmack as well.
Red carded for that alone
― did you hear about the midnight ambler gambler? (Matt #2), Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:38 (two years ago) link
DAD are great, def on the tail-end
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:52 (two years ago) link
way @ ugly kid joe connectionVG - I always detected a hint of surfy/gothy guitar in DAD, like they might have been into some new wave stuff
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:54 (two years ago) link
Yeah, 1987 was (in my estimation) hair metal's peak year, and starting in 1988 onward everything began drying up or getting lame except for a few upstarts like D.A.D. and Bang Tango, etc.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:55 (two years ago) link
yeah Sleeping My Day Away has that awesome low-tuned guitar that kinda pushes into a different vibe than just straight hair metaltheir hair def qualifies them though, lol
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 13 May 2021 22:00 (two years ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:32 PM bookmarkflaglink
Yea they were a progressive thrash band who got sued by another country's Wrathchild, which derailed their career until they rebranded as Wrathchild America.
Then some of them split off to form the groove metal band Souls at Zero.
― Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 May 2021 22:24 (two years ago) link
oh shit one of the weirdo dudes who I used to skate with and got me into janes addiction somehow ended up with a SLAVE RAIDER t-shirt and nobody had any idea who or what they werealso huge lols at LITTERER as a threatening sounding metal band name
― joygoat, Friday, 14 May 2021 03:11 (two years ago) link
haha I love it, a Slave Raider t-shirt in the wild
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 May 2021 03:12 (two years ago) link
https://kcrr.com/iowa-rock-n-roll-hall-of-fame-to-induct-the-litterer-band/
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 14 May 2021 13:43 (two years ago) link
xxxxxpost -
I should defend the Litterer name a bit (though it's ridiculous to expect that anyone would know this) - it was a family band three of the four are the Litterer siblings. They were known as the Litterer Band before.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 May 2021 14:31 (two years ago) link
Litterer siblings
So for a time they were ... kiddie Litterers.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 May 2021 14:43 (two years ago) link
lol
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 May 2021 14:44 (two years ago) link
historic night:
In 1986, Slave Raider won all four Heavy Metal honors at the Minnesota Music Awards; that year Prince performed at the ceremony and Soul Asylum won for Best New Band.[1]
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 May 2021 14:47 (two years ago) link
Re: Hanoi Rocks--IIRC in Get in the Van Henry Rollins talks about seeing them and liking the show. He compliments the lead singer, saying something like "he hit some Bowie, some Iggy, and some Jagger".
― JRN, Friday, 14 May 2021 18:37 (two years ago) link
Good point about Hanoi Rocks upthread, i.e. "your favorite band's favorite band." If you read interviews in Hit Parader and Circus and RIP with just about anybody, Hanoi Rocks would come up more than half the time.
But when I went to the store? Zilch. Granted, I lived in smalltown north Alabama with a mall that had only two record stores, but it seems like it might have been hard for everybody to find those albums. When I finally got to hear Hanoi Rocks sometime well into my twenties, I feel like I missed out on what might have been so great about them that I might have recognized better at age 15.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 14 May 2021 19:05 (two years ago) link
Hanoi Rocks were definitely a band I looked for but didn't find at my mall when I was a kid.
― peace, man, Friday, 14 May 2021 19:17 (two years ago) link
is there a rhino-type various artists box set for this stuff?
― brimstead, Friday, 14 May 2021 19:29 (two years ago) link
probably lots of ghastly budget gas station ones out there lol
― brimstead, Friday, 14 May 2021 19:30 (two years ago) link
Don't think Light In The Attic have got quite there yet
― remind me not to read the comments on that one (Matt #2), Friday, 14 May 2021 19:33 (two years ago) link
I've been eyeing a Cinderella box set for a while.
Fenriz having a Hanoi Rocks tattoo probably increased their cult status.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 14 May 2021 19:34 (two years ago) link
hair metal needs it's Nuggets.
― peace, man, Friday, 14 May 2021 19:35 (two years ago) link