Rolling Race 2021

not read Caste, but i read a review, and it seemed like it was much more interested in applying the idea of caste to US society than casteism as practised elsewhere, so IDK if I need more about racism in the US in my life.

xpost casteism was not imposed by european influence but it was affected by it, at times manipulated by it, and other times used as an opportunity to exacerbate pre existing divisions.

FWIW, I recently heard some commentator (can't remember where) define Racism as a product of the scientific age, and dated it to the 19th Century. It used the flimsy veneer of science (or rather pseudoscience) to categorize different groups, with white anglo-saxons perched atop everyone else. Of course prejudice and bigotry have been around forever, but racism and racialism are decidedly modern ideas (according to this author and I can't recall her name).

Was it one or both of the Fields sisters (authors of Racecraft)?

I honestly don't recall.. I think I was making dinner with the radio on

yeah, racial science is def a big component.

did you guys comment on this?

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/19/uk/un-uk-race-report-intl-gbr/index.html

the development & formulation of scientific antisemitism, from but distinct from anti-judaism in the revolutionary/colonial era, is instructive here I think

UK pol thread talked about the report I think, which was clearly intended as a deliberate fuck you

the UN criticism being on an empirical basis seems to miss that part of it

I thought Angela Saini's book Superior was very good at debunking Race Science while covering its history and looking at its reappearance in recent years. Also left me even more disgusted at the theatre group I talked about above since she showed why the project we were working on was looking at things in a very wrong way. Quite apart from the tokenism and supporting what I had been thinking at the time.

Oh & that was before Black lives Matter became a worldwide movement with great momentum.
& I would think most things would need to be reassessed in teh light of that.
So hope more things are before somebody manages to whitewash everything again.
Would be so good if that farcical UK report acted as a catalyst more than anything else. I know a lot of people are seriously angry about that and should be

It may well be Saini that I heard on the radio.. I just looked at a Guardian review of that book

One thing I tend to hammer on in periodic Facebook posts — a very effective way of influencing people, obv — is the specific economic underpinnings of American racism. (True in many other varieties of racism too, of course.) Slavery was an economic system, as was sharecropping, as was convict-leasing, as is the low-wage work performed by undocumented immigrants, all of them made palatable by the encouragement of a belief that the people performing the enslaved/low-wage work are inferior in one way or another.

American discussions of racism have for so long focused on individual thoughts and attitudes, without engaging with the forces that fostered them.

I am intrigued by how a person who can be seen to have a white saviour complex does see themselves. Is the answer in the question in as much as they're seeing their inept misapplication of misunderstood thought to be purely benevolent and more conscious than the people they're treading on.
Assuming that it is a basic misunderstanding of things and that anything more intentional would go by another name. BUt it may be more harmful in its ineptness. I dunno.
Like struck by the idea that a perfect parasite doesn't kill its host too.

discussed on the desus/mero thread but here's ziwe on showtime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP8xKsIpxAI

ok, lol @ all persistence matters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY6_QrOdwfo

swinging back to that depressing SNL video upthread

Bless this guy and his new series: “How everything on [TikTok] originated from Black culture” pic.twitter.com/nNOWfEJaLc

— black boy bulletin (he/him) (@blkboybulletin) May 12, 2021

The NFL says it will halt the use of “race-norming” — which assumed Black players started out with lower cognitive functioning — in a $1 billion settlement of brain injury claims. The practice had made it harder for Black players to qualify.https://t.co/OQpzSD88xM

— The Associated Press (@AP) June 2, 2021

uh

I have profoundly low expectations for the NFL, but this is still shocking

"The standards were created in the 1990s in hopes of offering more appropriate treatment to dementia "

"more appropriate"

wtaf?

ALAB pod (iirc) did a good episode on this topic

had to read that tweet several times to make sure i understood what i was seeing

That is unreal

I thought Angela Saini's book Superior was pretty good on the history of race science and what was inherently wrong with it. Assume it's not the only one that's good and would like to know others was pretty succinct and understandable though.
But sounds like just another element of misrepresentation of ethnicity in medicine and I think especially US medicine. Up with black people don't feel pain for useful knowledge for medical practitioners or more likely not. Wonder who did the research leading to this conclusion and if they had any other agenda at all.

I, too, did not realize the NFL’s racism could still shock me. Heads need to roll.

I haven't watched a single NFL game in many years now. Given the possibility of the Bears having a decent QB again, I was considering watching a game or two this fall, but nope, fuck this organization forever.

Stevolende: it's been a long time since I looked at it, but Stephen Jay Gould's The Mismeasure of Man might be of interest. It's from 1981, so I'm not sure how it's aged, but I just read this article five minutes ago, so apparently it's at least somewhat evergreen: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pupil-size-is-a-marker-of-intelligence/.

thanks

so this sentence:

The standards were created in the 1990s in hopes of offering more appropriate treatment to dementia patients

implies that race-norming is common practice in testing for dementia treatment?

it's common in a lot of medical procedures, I am learning today

also Simon mentioned this, haven't listened myself: https://www.alabseries.com/episodes/episode-21-baked-in

This has been talked about for years, certainly well before this article: https://www.statnews.com/2016/04/04/medical-students-beliefs-race-pain/

Also this, from 2013: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=201128359

And this is from 2006: https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/racial-ethnic-variables-shape-experience-chronic-pain

pittsburgh

A black defense attorney spoke publicly about racism in the criminal justice system. As punishment, the local prosecutor refuses to offer any of his clients plea deals. https://t.co/1BQabCZgSx

— josie duffy rice (@jduffyrice) June 3, 2021

Yes, I'd previously encountered the pain issue as well as some specific problems in dermatology, where medical pedagogy is often exclusively based on light skin (e.g., "look for signs of redness" when darker skin presents symptoms quite differently).

An example I saw after the nfl story: https://www.statnews.com/2021/06/03/vbac-calculator-birth-cesarean/

Plus these tweets allude to systemic problems:

“Race-norming” is built into medicine: calculators for renal function, pulmonary function, fever work ups in infants, vaginal birth after c-section. https://t.co/FCQM3L9nbQ

— Esther Choo MD MPH (@choo_ek) June 3, 2021

This (like the NFL's decision to stop "race norming" for brain injury) is a good start. But these racist tech and procedures are endemic in medicine (consider the pulse oximeter, eGFR tests, spirometer, just to start).

We need wholesale scrutiny and transformation. https://t.co/msWIrWuhaN

— Shobita Parthasarathy 👩🏾‍🏫🧪📚🎙️ (@ShobitaP) June 3, 2021

This looks helpful/technical/depressing: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMms2004740

This quote seems, um, noteworthy:

The American Heart Association (AHA) Get with the Guidelines–Heart Failure Risk Score predicts the risk of death in patients admitted to the hospital.9 It assigns three additional points to any patient identified as “nonblack,” thereby categorizing all black patients as being at lower risk. The AHA does not provide a rationale for this adjustment. Clinicians are advised to use this risk score to guide decisions about referral to cardiology and allocation of health care resources.

btw did you all catch this

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/04/us/memorial-day-black-history-cut-off/index.html

I don’t know that this has been 100% confirmed but this is allegedly the auxiliary president of that chapter of the American Legion with her son:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/ns11vm/this_is_apparently_the_son_of_cindy_suchan/

This interview with Anthony Braxton is kinda breaking my brain. I'm not gonna pull out any quotes; just read the whole thing, if you're interested.

This interview with Anthony Braxton🕸 is kinda breaking my brain. I'm not gonna pull out any quotes; just read the whole thing, if you're interested.

i am interested. i don’t think he was ever as overtly politically radical as many of his contemporaries. but some of these (overly familiar) talking points I hadn’t heard from him before and are frankly pretty disappointing. though not at all unprecedented coming from the academy. of course he doesn’t owe me anything

it is hard for me to reconcile this boilerplate anti-anti-white stuff with his previous criticisms of white institutions for their suppression of black/african culture. and his rosy view of american past and (?)present with his ghost dance influenced music.

most bothersome isn’t that he’s not “woke” enough by current standards but that his views here are just so utterly mundane by anyone’s standards. let alone his own

Not sure where to post this exactly but...

I’m at a Loudoun County school board meeting. Packed room. A debate over critical race theory in schools has divided this community in recent weeks. Tonight, for the first time in the pandemic, the public was allowed back in to these meetings. pic.twitter.com/w7zslWN0FM

— amna (@IAmAmnaNawaz) June 8, 2021

This exact thing happened at our local school board meeting last night. The dipshits who have been yelling for a year to "open our schools" and "masks are child abuse" have gone full-on anti-CRT. I'm guessing this stuff will be getting covered as the new Tea Party.

do racists have rights too? LIke can't be critical of them can you?
Have the right to their own personal martyrdom as long as somebody else can help them with it. Is that true, no canonisation without martyrdom.?
Bloomin bloom.

Like did strike me taht critical racist theory was a little apt since it would be openly critical of racists since that would be a central tenet of the information provided. The ideas that lead to racism recognised as being misinterpretations and misinformation. Which the teaching would be hoping to address and hopefully dispense with. Valorisation - superiority/inferiority being so utterly subjective that it would be better to dispense with them rather than bolster by institutional reinforcement