the genre known as dubstep - search and destroy

those are wonky ;)

newish blackdown post that has the internet going macadamias:
http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2009/07/where-do-u-call-it.html

lol@this guy in the comments box:
"Blood how can you say mainstream dubstep has lost it when Snoop Dogg is all over it?"

blood, thats exactly how.

anyway, i get what mr clark is saying, but i dont really need to ever hear about 'ldn', feminine pressure, the zone of pointless intensification (is that the one?) or any of those things ever again. the sooner bloggers get rid of those phrases the better, no offence. (also see: references to 'wot do u call it'). but then i dont *totally* hate (well not all of it) the stuff i suspect he says is metal step (or maybe i do, not sure - i quite liked spongebob). im not totally sure how you can write off dubstep but not write off grime either, although i can see why a hard to the core dubstepper might. its easier to discard it completely when you love/believe in something so much rather than have an endlessly frustrating relationship to it.

Lex, I know most of Joker's "big" tunes ("Gullybrook Lane", "Play Doe", the Kapsize EP, "Holly Brook Park" etc) and really like almost all of them; from Guido I only know the Orchestral Lab 12 inch, which is only alright.

I also love Jack Sparrow's "For Me" in this general vein.

"only alright"? the 'orchestral lab' 12" is astoundingly gorgeous, really beautiful.

'digidesign' is the most essential joker track you didn't mention...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHOdfSHZgs

To be fair I haven't given the Guido enough of a chance, I think a lot of this stuff just makes me want to listen to old Low Deep tracks and other similar grime:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCI6EObCXuk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PpCwdyer2Y

I think the straightforwardness of the rhythms on the Guido 12 inch made me a bit inclined to underrate it a bit - obv the melodies are very pretty and, um, orchestral. But this stuff usually needs good and interesting rhythm programming to keep me coming back.

Tim, yo should def. give the Orch Lab 12" B side, Way You Make Me Feel, another chance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZTcfMCsNu4

without getting super heady about why, I love Hyphy Mngo off the bat

good debate on that post i mentioned earlier -
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=96096&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20&sid=489c836b9783dd0dd56be07f089346cc

I heard a great mix by Ben UFO while following links from that Blackdown post, which ended with the Hyphy Mngo song, and I left the mix at work. Anyone know which one I'm talking about and have a link by any chance?

ah nm I found it - was in the pitchfork article. http://sonicrouter.blogspot.com/2009/05/interview-ben-ufo.html is where it's at.

oh god, the sweat/dante sounds sooooooooooooooooooo good listening to it proper on vinyl.

Also, once again: Boxcutter, this guy kills me.

i dont get the point of all these new tunes reworking old 2 step rhythms. that brackles one (lhc?) is quite interesting melody-wise for instance but i wish they came up with something a bit fresher on the rhythmic front. it feels too soon (and obv i know 2 steppy revival beats arent new) to be reviving that already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6NHi0ios4I

crackstep

Mount Kimbie have a new EP out called "Sketch on Glass." On first listen it seems like a definite step-up from "Maybes", which i loved

^ I'll have to check that out....I love 'Maybes"

eve on a benga beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zShHmBOyr9U&feature=player_embedded

not great but adequate enough, not horrible i guess.

yeah i was surprised by that. be interesting to see if it takes off in the states. dunno why US rappers seem more into dubstep than grime beats though.

no silkie discussion?? it's certainly the best dubstep album that i can think of, i'd worn out his train wreck mix pretty well in the ages it took the album to be released but ive listened to it once a day since buying it last week and the first third of the album in particular is SO good. love all the little details, i swoon at the little 'ha- ha- haahh' three minutes into concrete jungle every time

shame about the bad vinyl pressing!

I adore Silkie and fully expect to adore the album but I haven't been able to source a copy yet.

For people who haven't heard Sully:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EygO2Al40sI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaUPzhum5-w&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itLvnHSxAMA&feature=related

into the first one

This is amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYCzZCmPypk

makes me want the next junior boys album to have a major dubstep influence

Don't say things like that, you're just getting my hopes up!

Getting more and more obsessed with Joy Orbison I have to say. Hyph Mngo was a great introduction, but most of the other tracks just sound so, well, complete and timless. Wet Look, Smother, Tentative Bidding all worth a listen.

Something Or Nothing (2000F & JKamata Remix) digital release is finally out!!!

seriously obsessed with this and Hyph Mngo for the past, oh, 3 months?

"Love Dub" and "Hyphy Mango" are completely changing my attitude about dubstep, even as I realize they are outliers. My perception of it now is more as fertile ground than as a dead end.

narst>>>love dub

haven't heard it

need to remedy that

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=186660

just occurred to me that Hyph Mngo reminds me of Utopia by Jackson and his Computer band

Hyph Mngo (Half the time I've also been calling it hyphy mango) always reminds me of this (the first track, for goodness sake, if anyone knows what it is please tell me!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GJs5YyfagY

The Martyn remix is Fever Ray is the best thing I've heard from him in ages. Better than anything on the album I think.

I preferred his 12"s to anything on his album.

On the mix front, have been really enjoying Oneman's Autumn mix as well as the first Hardwax podcast (DJ Pete).

I've gotta say, my favourite dubstep tunes this year by far have been the vocal reggae/roots influenced tracks such as:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v_f8bAGodY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_b_K16E524

I'd love to know if there's more stuff out there like this.

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13614-5-five-years-of-hyperdub/

Can I say how little a fan I am of this review?

I doubt you'd find much more sneering in a negative piece, I'm surprised that its scored so high.

Not a Kode 9 stan here, I like his music. But not necessarily the way he runs his label.

Not a fan of Wonky for the most part. Thought Burial's first album sounded like a good EP (which I already owned) and a bunch of filler. Second album falls off hard in the second half, gets too ambient.

But Kode 9 made that Junior Boys remix, Stung, and Black Sun and he is not someone you dismiss out of hand.

Fucking lazy ass piece.

Can we make it a rule that you can't diss dubstep dancing till you actually go to a night?

If you're after comedy on Youtube you can find it, but I doubt the dancing is bad at a Hessle Night at Fabric.

Or at the Berghain. Think of that: 500 leather daddies moving to hard as nails Scuba stuff.

Ironic considering techno is the one offshoot of early dance music that claims the least lineage associated with disco. When Derrick May described it was what "George Clinton and Kraftwerk stuck in an elevator"? Not a fucking mention of Italo in there at all. Techno was a move away from gay dance, the Belville Three seriously had an axe to grind regarding house. They couldn't compete in house, except for Saunderson. So they butched up.

And by 2009 its linked up with the least gay derivation of Garage possible.

And suddenly Dubstep is Techno for German sex clubs.

And when I say can't compete I mean 87. Not 92 when Mayday was ruling the world.

Kode 9 also made fucking Magnetic City. If you don't like that track you don't like muscular dance music!

oh, i saw some dubstep heads lolling at that review on twitter yesterday, didn't read it b/c, y'know, pfork, what are the odds that it'd be worth it. apparently it failed to even mention ikonika o_0

"dubstep" seems like a really archaic way to describe the stuff on that comp anyway. still looking for a new term! post-dubstep is descriptively accurate but rubbish. w*nky, don't even go there. purple, only the bristol crew really. i think some people are trying to make "tropical" happen, i'd be down with that.

I'm partial to Boomkat's Dubtech for the techno end. Boring I know. It does what it says on the tin.

Aquacrunk was cute, and artist approved for the Rustie stuff. Those guys hate the term Wonky just as much as I do. Zomby had a royal hissy fit at Simon's review of the genre, which he's entitled to.

Sorry Simon, that article was awful. Sketchiest what if kind of reporting possible.

As for the stuff that combines all this?

Weird drones over funky drums? Danceable post-garage experiments like Pangaea?

Tropical works I guess. Isn't that the Boy Better Know thing?

But yeah, guy didn't mention Ikonika at all. Or Cooly G. Fucker.

wonkys not that bad. but i think its here to stay now. funny how it was coined by martin clark whos an insider and not someone who knows nothing about the music but still no one likes it.

Wonky doesn't get used as an adjective in the American vernacular very much.

I tell my friend's that its called Wonky and they give me weird looks, like why do you care about this again?

Then I'm like forget that shit and go listen to Digidesign again.

i bet americans didnt get or think much of calling genres jungle, drum n bass or 2 step either though.

anyway, genre names are usually always contested by artists. we shouldnt pay them any mind. they always moan. wonkys a pretty good description of er wonky's sonic tics and generally wtf-is-this-annoying-shit-ness.

hyperdubs going to be the new warp though isnt it.

Yeah, thats the problem.

Dubstep threw out some really great ideas for linear dance music, and now its devolving into a circle jerk.

Or a moshpit. I like my chances better in techno, really.

And I live in Wisconsin so I do kind of care what Americans think of this.

Skater kids over here are getting into Wobble, its absolutely bizarre.