The show peaked with Season 8. Specifically, "Homer's Enemy." The Frank Grimes episode should have been the series finale. They were never gonna do anything funnier, and there was no coming back after torching the show's entire conceptual superstructure that way.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 3 May 2021 19:45 (two years ago) link
I'm sure something similar was said somewhere upthread, but I really feel like what the Simpsons lost after its "classic" years was more its emotional center than its humor. Without that, the constant absurdist jokes started to feel decadent and the cynicism started to feel aimless.
I've always maintained that the Simpsons just slowed down in how quickly they pummelled you with jokes. Like they just left more room to breathe and think and "get it".
I thought it was interesting that Swartzwelder said in his interview that he thought season 3 was the series peak because I feel like there was a shift between season 3 and 4 where they sacrificed some degree of character based humour for joke density and surrealism. I think a lot of the writing staff changed between those two seasons? I think seasons 2 and 3 might be my favourites, it's strange though because I would have guessed that Swartzwelder would come down more on the 'density and surrealism' side than the character/realism side.
― soref, Monday, 3 May 2021 19:45 (two years ago) link
paul mccartney (sort of)
Definitely George & Ringo!
― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 3 May 2021 19:48 (two years ago) link
I've been rewatching some episodes lately and I've gotten that same impression, the S2-3 ones are better than I remembered while the S7-8 ones are maybe a bit too overexposed and absurd. obviously still very funny though. last one I watched was the one where he eats the psychedelic chili pepper, the first 2/3rds of which is maybe one of the finest episodes of any animated show ever (and clearly seemed to be the inspiration for a bunch of Futurama episodes), but man I'd forgotten how cobbled together and dull the final third is. like, it ends with Marge randomly forgiving him and then they prevent a shipwreck together? its like they couldn't figure out how to end it.
― frogbs, Monday, 3 May 2021 19:56 (two years ago) link
I also say nu-Simpsons starts in 2002
Seasons 10, 11 & 12 are def a "clearly not-peak-era-but-also-not-offensively-terrible" zone
re-read the beginning of the thread
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 3 May 2021 20:07 (two years ago) link
I feel like there was a shift between season 3 and 4 where they sacrificed some degree of character based humour for joke density and surrealism. I think a lot of the writing staff changed between those two seasons?
All the staff Simon hired stayed as long as he did, and several left with him after S4. Oakley/Weinstein and Conan are the only two that joined between 3 and 4.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 3 May 2021 20:14 (two years ago) link
This thread was started during S14.
― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 3 May 2021 20:15 (two years ago) link
I don't remember it exactly but I think there's a quote about jazz thats something like 'jazz is about seeing how far out you can go and still get back', like when a musician improvises around a tune how far can they go while still retaining some connection to that original tune - and the I think the surrealism in the Simpsons is kind of like that. For the first 10 years of the show's life a lot of the humour comes from how there is some base level of realism, the laws of physics apply, people act like real humans to some degree, but because it's a cartoon they can stretch the realism and flirt with outright surrealism, and when they stretch it to the point of breaking and there are no rules left that's when the show stopped being any good.
like the bit with Homer jumping the gorge on a skateboard is funny because it's treading this fine line between loony tunes cartoon surrealism and realism, it's Wile E Coyote type joke but he actually ends up bruised and bloodied. It wouldn't be funny if the Simpsons was set in a world with no rules where cartoon physics applied, but it also wouldn't be funny if the Simpsons was set in a world that was strictly realistic.
― soref, Monday, 3 May 2021 20:18 (two years ago) link
― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, May 3, 2021 2:48 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
george was nearly as memorable as his co-star, a giant plate of brownies
― the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 May 2021 20:28 (two years ago) link
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 3 May 2021 20:39 (two years ago) link
i was trying to think of a post-season 12 joke that i really loved and i remembered this one: "aww, i have three kids and no money. why can't i have no kids and three money?"
from episode 397 (season 18)
― the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 May 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link
I've been listening to the commentaries too and the first few times Groening noted he had a problem with a joke in that regard I thought he was being overly fussy but a few seasons later I find myself agreeing with his stance more. Made me wonder if he's still doing commentaries on like season 21 or whatever?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 3 May 2021 20:46 (two years ago) link
The big writing staff shake-up occurred between seasons four and five (with “Homer’s Barbershop Quartet” and “Cape Feare” being leftovers). Homer calling a college dean a “stupid head” or bumblebee man falling over his chair after taking over for Kent Brockman was such a different kind of humor.
The Poochie episode was the beginning of the end. Yes it was funny, but the humor was just so smug and self-referential.
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 3 May 2021 20:50 (two years ago) link
Made me wonder if he's still doing commentaries on like season 21 or whatever?
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 3 May 2021 20:58 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAOLTsTtZis
― Left, Monday, 3 May 2021 21:10 (two years ago) link
― the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Monday, May 3, 2021 3:44 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
lol this one stuck with me too.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 3 May 2021 21:11 (two years ago) link
I doubt it, because then he’d have to explain why the Critic crossover was unacceptable (he took his name off the credits) but had no issue with the later Family Guy crossover.
older, insanely richer, did not think the current show had enough integrity to bother defending
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 3 May 2021 22:34 (two years ago) link
i could have sworn i saw an interview within the last five years with groening where he said the show was still good, he may have even said it was still on par with the 'classic' era
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 12:58 (two years ago) link
― Van Halen dot Senate dot flashlight (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 13:35 (two years ago) link