Are people, generally speaking, smart or stupid?

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Anyway i think people dont want to be bothered if they can help it and modern life is set up to supply a surfeit of bother and somewhere between something aligned with ledge's start of a discussion about values and keeping the head down and earning a crust without being told you are guilty of something or on the hook for the price of something else people are happy to feign whatever passes for average or below average intelligence unless they have been rewarded for it or anticipate likely reward for it

That latter point is where rearing, class, education all absolutely feed in- the kindling of interest and the interest shown in return imo

flagpost fucking (darraghmac), Monday, 3 May 2021 18:25 (one month ago) link

(Not on topic, but a gentle aside to Left: Try for once posting like a human addressing fellow humans instead of a lecturer addressing the benighted. You could even try venturing onto ground where you don't feel yourself to be 100% righteous from time to time. It would be refreshing to hear your voice in some other register.)

sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Monday, 3 May 2021 18:30 (one month ago) link

if I really wanted to be PC I would object to the rampant use of ableist language like dumb, stupid etc. which I genuinely have problems with but even I know that's a lost cause rn

You're a lost cause.

Authoritarian Steaks (Tom D.), Monday, 3 May 2021 18:33 (one month ago) link

Try for once posting like a human addressing fellow humans

Thank you, Aimless, you've echoed my thoughts precisely.

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 May 2021 18:35 (one month ago) link

I don't seem to be able to do that. everything is just read as trolling at this point

Left, Monday, 3 May 2021 18:36 (one month ago) link

Yeah you dont get to start from scratch as if you havent been sermoning from the mount the past several months but its doable

flagpost fucking (darraghmac), Monday, 3 May 2021 18:38 (one month ago) link

Hi left, lets start over

flagpost fucking (darraghmac), Monday, 3 May 2021 18:38 (one month ago) link

it's a paradox, the more sincere and honest and open and earnest I try to be the more I piss people off. clearly I am a lost cause as an ilxor

Left, Monday, 3 May 2021 18:41 (one month ago) link

that's how this website works believe me

treeship., Monday, 3 May 2021 18:42 (one month ago) link

but still, you keep coming back -- as do i, as does LJ -- and so that tells you something about yourself and what motivates you. something complicated, probably, requiring some tarot cards.

treeship., Monday, 3 May 2021 18:43 (one month ago) link

Sincere open honest and earnest isnt generous, humorous, engaged or interested which all tend to be decent starting points to discuss things with people ime

Now im not everybodys cup of tea neither granted

flagpost fucking (darraghmac), Monday, 3 May 2021 18:45 (one month ago) link

if the ilxor covertly known as LJ and currently using the dn 'imago', could rehabilitate himself as an ilxor, no one's case is hopeless.

sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Monday, 3 May 2021 18:45 (one month ago) link

Lots of smart people are pretty dumb. Each finds a different way to be dumb. It's a vast tapestry.

Loads of people (myself included!) got called "gifted and talented" in childhood. But it almost never manifested in a way that made us happier, better-functioning, or less inclined to make terrible life decisions. I would gladly trade 90% of that attention for marginally better life skills.

I don't love the framing of "emotional intelligence" or "multiple intelligences" - much of which is clearly designed to flatter more than to describe. But it does seem like it's not a single sliding scale of smart > stupid. I'm good at some stuff. I suck at some stuff. Same is true of everybody.

Finally, to the ableism point: I have some Feelz(TM) here. My 10-year-old son is pretty seriously intellectually disabled. He's mostly nonverbal and is unlikely to ever talk, write, do math, or read at grade level. At some point he might be able to bag groceries. And I love him utterly because he is my son. He's affectionate, funny, and pleasant to be around. Smart/stupid just doesn't really apply, he's himself and when I'm with him, that's what matters.

Frumious Cumberbatch (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 3 May 2021 18:46 (one month ago) link

My dad used to call me "severely gifted".

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 3 May 2021 18:47 (one month ago) link

Conflating intelligence with worth is why this is a radioactive topic. These things need to be disentangled, utterly so.

treeship., Monday, 3 May 2021 18:48 (one month ago) link

xp ye mad puffin

treeship., Monday, 3 May 2021 18:49 (one month ago) link

I think in pretty much every context where I employ 'stupid' as a pejorative I almost always actually mean 'lazy'. So something more akin to 'Clearly you have an intellectual capacity roughly commensurate with the task you're undertaking so the fact that it's become a deeply flawed (if not failed) undertaking seems to be more about your unwillingness to expend effort than your ability, idiot.'

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 May 2021 18:52 (one month ago) link

OL brings the truth bomb

sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Monday, 3 May 2021 18:55 (one month ago) link

xpost (Like, generally as applied to work-related concerns, if that wasn't obvious.)

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 May 2021 18:55 (one month ago) link

I don't seem to be able to do that. everything is just read as trolling at this point


Lol it’s not read as trolling it’s just read as “acting out” or whatever

brimstead, Monday, 3 May 2021 19:21 (one month ago) link

I’ve done it too

brimstead, Monday, 3 May 2021 19:21 (one month ago) link

you seems genuinely full of bad feelings for people and that’s OK but it’s not trolling

brimstead, Monday, 3 May 2021 19:22 (one month ago) link

I am interested in learning more about Left.

Left, your rigidity is anathema to me, it just is, but I trust that it’s sincere. What led you to this militant outlook?

treeship., Tuesday, 4 May 2021 00:55 (one month ago) link

I felt genuine kinship with you when you talked about being misinterpreted on ilx. I know i sound dickish now but i don’t mean to.

treeship., Tuesday, 4 May 2021 00:56 (one month ago) link

regarding earlier posts: I love the iconography of tarot, just as art. I love all of the tarot traditions - early Italian, Marseilles, Etteilla, Rider-Waite-Smith, Thoth, and the Celtic Wheel of the Year. The confluence of the Kabbalah, the Tree of Life, astrology, numerology, the Waite-Smith tradition, Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and especially colour symbolism in the images of the Thoth tarot is very deep and is fascinating

Dan S, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 01:55 (one month ago) link

I don't read you as a troll, Left, there just tends to be a pattern in your posts of saying "this artist/person/opinion is shit" with an added implication of "and you're morally suspect for engaging with them/their work." And I don't assume that that's your intention, but it doesn't really contribute to a great vibe on a board that spends of lot of time talking about music and movies and art made by less than morally upright people, and where politics discussions are already well aware of how terrible everything is and mainly divided about the relative merits of purity and incrementalism. I think your posts about music that you enjoy are good!

JoeStork, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 02:17 (one month ago) link

My mum always says stupid is as stupid does

Pinefox reviews Reviews (wins), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 08:56 (one month ago) link

She’s a fucking dimwit though

Pinefox reviews Reviews (wins), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 08:56 (one month ago) link

I like my mum's daft mixed metaphors in an Irish accent that don't make any sense - there is some wisdom in there somewhere!

calzino, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 09:04 (one month ago) link

She once said, when I was starting a bookie job: "when you are dealing with money, don't even let your left hand know what your right hand is doing"

calzino, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 09:09 (one month ago) link

I am generally speaking smart because I realized this thread was gonna go into tl;dr territory 100 posts ago

Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 15:41 (one month ago) link

I can generally figure things out but I also do dumb shit all the time: the Duality of Man

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 16:04 (one month ago) link

She once said, when I was starting a bookie job: "when you are dealing with money, don't even let your left hand know what your right hand is doing"

This is funny to me because back when I worked construction in the summers, that last part was the foreman's favorite insult for people he perceived as dumb. I.e. "that new laborer is so stupid his left hand don't know what his right is doing".

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 16:38 (one month ago) link

when you are dealing with money, don't even let your left hand know what your right hand is doing

Her use of it makes sense if we go by this definition:

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/225650.html

pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 16:42 (one month ago) link

Oh, it's from the Bible.

Authoritarian Steaks (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:14 (one month ago) link

where does “overthinking” come into play?

brimstead, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 21:44 (one month ago) link

Also the Bible

Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 21:51 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 10 June 2021 00:01 (two weeks ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 11 June 2021 00:01 (two weeks ago) link

67 vs 6 imo

Eschew things thirty two times before swallowing them (darraghmac), Friday, 11 June 2021 00:06 (two weeks ago) link


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