2021 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees POLL

There was a sketch on the comedy show Bizarre with the same extended joke, although I don't think Goulet was the punchline. I assume they're both borrowing some old vaudeville routine.

the song was so annoyingly ubiquitous that every fuckin thing was working in "Hot Hot Hot".

one day I went to uhh, I think Disney MGM Studios with my folks and all of the Toons were putting on a musical show, and then they FUCKING START PERFORMING "HOT HOT HOT". Roger Rabbit singing lead, it was annoying.

It was either that or "Vietnamese Baby".

I know that Johansen is out promoting something, and that that's what you do, but I wonder if he really believes himself when he brushes away his old group in the Carson interview and says he's doing something "a bit more mature" now--did he think he'd be remembered for Buster Poindexter? I also wonder if he was the only guest who ever called Carson "John."

He is joking, as the Hot Hot Hot version of the schtick makes clear. The character is named Buster Poindexter!

(I'm sure he was sincere about wanting to perform standards and dance hits at that period in his life, but he clearly didn't think that "Buster Poindexter" was a serious artiste who was going to create a standing legacy in world history.)

there was a whole lot of buster in the dolls, tbh. ref. showdown, great big kiss, stranded in the jungle, don't start me talkin', etc. etc.

just occurred to me he was probably best known in the larger culture as the cabbie from Scrooged

I know him as Looney from Let It Ride (thanks Comedy Central)

He is joking, as the Hot Hot Hot version of the schtick makes clear.

Wouldn't count on that at all. Artists kid themselves all the time when it comes to concepts like maturity and artistic growth.

i'm sure i've seen johansen more than any other performer. (i'm not proud.) he is at his best when he is first working out his concepts. those early buster shows at tramps were a hoot. i caught a couple of "dollettes" shows (him + syl + staten island cronies) that were post-dolls and pre-solo album, and they were great too. you never knew what you were going to hear next. i did see the real dolls once in their very waning red patent leather days. that show has a special place in my heart but i sure wish i had seen them earlier.

he discusses Scrooged in the Carson clip, in the context of Buster Poindexter being this persona / project and using his real name for other work

Wouldn't count on that at all. Artists kid themselves all the time when it comes to concepts like maturity and artistic growth.

"Some of the older kids might remember I used to make loud, raucous music fifteen years ago, but now I want to do something refined and dignified, so soft and sweet, that you might sip wine by the fireplace while listening. Here, I'll show you: *puts face in camera and screams 'YESSS-aaaahhhh, HA HA HAHHAHHAHAHAGH!!'*"

I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing.

I'm rarely sure of anything; I know you usually are.

I don't think that him understanding the camp/commercial appeal of Buster Poindexter and also feeling he'd outgrown the New York Dolls part of his life are mutually exclusive.

I'm sure he was sincere about wanting to perform standards and dance hits at that period in his life

:)

But, you know, he was covering Big Fat Mamas Are Back in Style and Who Drank My Beer (While I Was in the Rear)?, not Moon River.

those early buster shows at tramps were a hoot

yes! the schtick was good until he leaned so far into it that the schtick basically swallowed him.

The longer you stare into the abyss...

the longer the abyss gets HOT HOT HOT!

Man, motherfuck Todd Rundgren. Devo, Fela Kuti and Iron Maiden all locked out but that cocksucker gets in?

Well they have to make sure that all of the 70s classic rock dudes get in, even the third tier ones.

I wish they'd just stop nominating Chaka at this point. It's just getting cruel.

I misread and thought the Dolls had gotten in and was going to say Little Richard was turning over in his... SHUT UP!

man that Buster Poindexter clip on Carson is a hoot ("tout suite").

TWO GERMS IN THE HALL!

It's a shame Fela didn't get in, but I'm not terribly surprised. Foo Fighters was a band custom built to appeal to RRHOF voters, so that's no surprise.

I forgot that Smear wasn't included with Nirvana.

Foo Fighters : Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame :: H.E.R. : Grammys

Jay-Z also kind of the perfect hip hop star for RRHOF.

For me, the Foo Fighters are silly, but a friend made me somewhat more receptive to the idea that there's a case there (all those extra words are code for "For me, the Foo Fighters are silly). I also consider the Go-Go's kind of weak.

And as Greil Marcus chimes in every year, what about the Shangri-Las?

he's so known as public/business figure there are probably people who voted for him that don't know his music

I've only heard maybe three Foo Fighters songs in my life. All three were perfectly competent, big-catchy-chorus pop-rock. But shouldn't there be more to a "Hall of Fame" act than "perfectly competent"?

Exactly how I'd put it. I always draw baseball analogies: it'd be like putting steady, competent Tom Candiotti in the HOF. (And even if Tom Candiotti were really popular and a super-nice guy, should that make a difference?)

think about Foo Fighters getting in before Soundgarden

Winner of a popularity contest happens to be a likeable dude, pundits shocked.

Except you guys keep ignoring the fact that the RRHOF is also somewhat of a popularity contest and branding extension - mediocre or not, the Foo Fighters have maintained a really high level of popularity for 25 years now and continue to notch up Grammys and #1 rock radio songs, plus Grohl is great at inserting himself into the "rock and roll history ambassador" role he loves so much.

I don't know if this has historically been a popularity contest, though...I think you could find a lot of exceptions to that.

"rock and roll history ambassador"

I agree, that's the biggest factor. One day, Paul Shaffer will be inducted.

xpost - Exceptions sure, but c'mon, the RRHOF is a huge popularity contest.

I don't know if this has historically been a popularity contest, though...I think you could find a lot of exceptions to that.

There was a greater tolerance for/embrace of weirdos from previous generations for sure. The "modern" acts that get inducted are much more complacent, "safe" representatives of their generation — Green Day and Foo Fighters yes, Jane's Addiction never.

Don't get me wrong, there are easily 3 dozen artists/bands nominated that deserve induction before the Foos, not defending them, but they were the easiest to predict shoe-in in years.

I don't know where I'd draw the line--1960? 1970? later?--but there's a line in there where on one side 97% of the picks make perfect sense to me, and on the other side, I'm lost when it comes to who belongs and who doesn't.

OH MY GOD THE ROCK N ROLL HALL OF FAME IS A POPULARITY CONTEST AND MARKETING DRIVEN
*passes out*

Those 70s weirdos were commercially huge, much more so than Jane’s Addiction etc.

Foo Fighters, the Harold Baines of HOF inductees?

(xpost) But clearly Todd Rundgren isn't there because of his popularity and/or marketing prowess. I completely agree that that statement applies in some, maybe the majority of cases. But it's not always the guiding consideration.

Those 70s weirdos were commercially huge, much more so than Jane’s Addiction etc.

Their record sales aside, Jane's Addiction were a massive cultural force just by virtue of, you know, starting Lollapalooza.

Sure, Rundgren isn't super popular, but he's also a lifer that has a good rep among rock writers of a certain generation so, again, not that surprising.

I've always been baffled at the Go-Gos being considered a major band. Are they considered very influential?

I mean, they literally "got the beat".

But clearly Todd Rundgren isn't there because of his popularity and/or marketing prowess

didn't todd rundgren produce bat out of hell?