outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

I think if vaccination rates stall out with a large portion of people refusing them, we will soon see many more people saying "fuck it" and making more aggressive moves back towards regular life regardless.

I'm kind of getting there myself. I'm vaccinated, my family is vaccinated, I've already punted a year+ of my life, I'm gonna start doing shit

anyone got numbers on exactly how much of u.s. society is exactly anti-vaxxer/selfish idiots and how this will ruin vaccination/immunity or is this just ambient dread 4 fun

sorry, i know, thread title

oh wait this is the outbreak thread

Here you go:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/04/07/984697573/vaccine-refusal-may-put-herd-immunity-at-risk-researchers-warn

new Monmouth University poll:

proportion who say they'll never get covid vaccine if they can avoid it

5% of Democrats
22% of independents
43% of Republicans

— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) April 14, 2021

This is actually down from 24% in their March poll. https://t.co/9sB9n2vF2i

— Ian Sams (@IanSams) April 14, 2021

or is this just ambient dread 4 fun

^ new borad description

I always put on some Lustmord before opening ILX.

USC has a tracking poll on covid stuff that has been running for a year now

https://covid19pulse.usc.edu/

i think there's a good shot we get to the necessary threshold to at least greatly curb the virus to just a nuisance. it's hard to say "herd immunity" when other countries are going to be mega-far away from it, and countries like Brazil are just a breeding grounds for variants. but it'll be enough to re-open some things and do some things. Moderna should have their booster by fall they say.

I doubt we will get to a zero case load ever. it's here to stay. we have to find ways to work around that while ensuring public safety. but it'll eventually be in a weakened state, and of course our immune systems will now begin recognizing it.

sadly I think we will become the Sneetches and life will turn into the Scolds vs the Reckless endlessly fighting until the end of time...which will be 2043, when the Decepticons arrive.

I have a neighbor who says he won't get vaxxed unless you're required to in order to travel. if that's what it takes...

To be clear, I'm not just trying to dredge up "ambient dread" and I wasn't insinuating that we'd never move back to some closer semblance of normal. Just expressing frustration that, while knowing we would never completely eradicate the virus, some combination of selfish and ignorant people are going to keep us from making it even safer for everyone.

You got my meaning earlier, jvc.

I am frustrated but with my partner's job, what I hear in the streets and news, and what I see on social media...all of it points to this being something that is here for a while, and getting used to that and starting to think about risk in that way is something we're all going to have to get more accustomed to.

So at what point do you say that a significant portion of people just aren't getting vaxxed and you go back to living life anyway?

I’m planning on waltzing about like I’m invincible post vax myself

India is reporting 200,000 new Covid cases and 1,000 Covid deaths today. That's a doubling in both over the past nine days.

I know that no one in the US MSM cares about this stuff, but we should. If these numbers don't roll over soon, this is going to be a global catastrophe.

— Ben Hunt (@EpsilonTheory) April 14, 2021

There’s a Tokyo variant now and is seems to be driving rapidly rising case numbers in Osaka.

India is likely only reporting a fraction of the actual deaths too xp.

https://scroll.in/article/992217/as-the-dead-pile-up-in-gujarat-the-states-media-is-on-a-warpath-with-the-government-over-covid-19

Mexico's getting slammed too. Nearly every week my wife is telling me about a classmate's parent dying.

CDC identifies only 5,800 Covid-19 infections after the final vaccine, out of more than 66 million. And those who got it had mild cases. https://t.co/gvBu6s1mlQ

— Eliza Collins (@elizacollins1) April 15, 2021

To be clear, not every single post vaccine case has been mild — but most have. There have been 74 out 66 million people who have died after being vaccinated.

— Eliza Collins (@elizacollins1) April 15, 2021

Anti-vaxxers: SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A CHANCE

in all seriousness, though, that's fantastic levels of effectiveness there.

that's why I got so angry at people who kept saying "95% efficacy means 5% of people who get vaccines will still get sick". no, no no, lab-based "efficacy" and real world "effectiveness" are different measures, you can't just extrapolate the math from one to the other.

There have been 74 out 66 million people who have died after being vaccinated.

assuming this means to say "of Covid" but I'm kind of curious who these people were and what age they were & preexisting conditions they had

I feel like if they had meant "of COVID", they would have said that, though?

Eh, the "of COVID" implication feels fairly clear to me, but I guess this is why it should be more explicitly explained!

Vaccines make you essentially immortal, is what I take from that.

About time we had immortality.

I think it is not at all clear that this means "of COVID". I read a little while back of a number of seniors who died after getting vaxxed, but the numbers were in line with the death rate for octogenarians and it wasn't at all clear that COVID was a factor at all.

yeah I hate to make the distinction between "died from Covid" and "died WITH Covid" but when you're talking about such a miniscule percentage it might be relevant

I'm gonna err on the side of 'died from COVID' because if only 74 out of 66 million vaccinated people have died period then we've essentially solved the problem of death.

oh you're definitely right just wondering if any of them fell within the category of people who were otherwise low risk. because right now there's this narrative going around that the vaccine is "only 95% effective" meaning that for 5% of people it "doesn't work" which obviously is something I want to push back on

Pfizer recipients cannot be killed by conventional weapons

There’s a Tokyo variant now and is seems to be driving rapidly rising case numbers in Osaka.

― American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Thursday, 15 April 2021 bookmarkflaglink

India is likely only reporting a fraction of the actual deaths too xp.

https://scroll.in/article/992217/as-the-dead-pile-up-in-gujarat-the-states-media-is-on-a-warpath-with-the-government-over-covid-19

― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Thursday, 15 April 2021 bookmarkflaglink

Mexico's getting slammed too. Nearly every week my wife is telling me about a classmate's parent dying.

― frogbs, Thursday, 15 April 2021 bookmarkflaglink

If you are not in Europe, US and a few other countries the end of this is nowhere near in sight.

About time we had immortality.

Herd immortality is where it's at.

not if you're Highlander

Maxine Walters tells Jim Jordan to shut his mouth

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/overnights/548497-shut-your-mouth-chairman-cuts-off-jim-jordan-fauci-sparing-at?fbclid=IwAR3sYqVsZMKdv2fyq1OJi_2cmqw9KHrthROW1CuL9sDO_Qn80v8IVJc_FOE

posted itt because it was a COVID hearing and he was idiotically demanding to know from Fauci what vaccination level would allow people to "restore their liberties".

"1 Brazilian"

'Double mutant' most common variant now: India's genome data

The analysis shows for the first time how the detection of various variants of the coronavirus may have changed

(report by @VinayakD and @AnonnaDutt)https://t.co/nT6Gnv588Y pic.twitter.com/JoUEb8ewYE

— Hindustan Times (@htTweets) April 16, 2021

Been terrifying being updated on COVID in rural India. In my parents village (pop of a few 100), they've been burying one or two people everyday with more & more people coughing. Same story in all the neighbouring villages where most people have little or no access to healthcare.

— Ilyas Nagdee (@ilyas_nagdee) April 18, 2021

This is absolutely incredible news 🥳 pic.twitter.com/HaFTgYxv7t

— Nadine Batchelor-Hunt (@nadinebh_) April 22, 2021

what?!??

"developed the first jab... to show more than 75% efficacy."

Does this mean there was already a vaccine for malaria at 75%? Because then obviously 77% is better but doesn't seem "incredible"

I’m not sure the significance of 75% but I’m pretty sure the vaccine which rolled out a couple of years ago was something like 30% effective

Yeah, just googled it and appears there's only one approved vaccine, RTS,S which has pretty low efficacy, especially in kids (who are the most affected by malaria) and also needs 4 doses so this does indeed sound like pretty incredible news if it pans out

is Bill Gates going to take credit for this y/n

Is Bill Gates going to make poverty-stricken villagers pay $7500 per jab is more to the point

Probably

...

As soon as BJP government comes to power in West Bengal, COVID-19 vaccine will be provided free of cost to everyone. pic.twitter.com/gzxCOUMjpr

— BJP Bengal (@BJP4Bengal) April 23, 2021

Haven't seen this study discussed https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/04/23/mit-researchers-say-youre-no-safer-from-covid-indoors-at-6-feet-or-60-feet-in-new-study.html

Its conclusions go against the six foot social distance rule and make total exposure time the important factor.