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Almost posted that embed 10x ina old-school JW Noizeborad style.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 19:34 (three years ago) link

I'm sure I talked about some of this in the previous thread about hanging out with horror people mostly then SFF people and then when you go back to horrorland, most people in SFF land start seeming really uptight and conversations have so many restricted areas and I have to respect what people aren't willing to discuss but I find it occasionally frustrating. And then there's this area of horror which is like the children of Dennis Cooper and it's lovely how relaxed they are and talking about what drugs they're taking all the time.

https://amphetaminesulphate.bigcartel.com/
https://www.clashbooks.com/
https://expatpress.com/shop/
https://www.apocalypse-party.com/books.html
https://www.infinitylandpress.com/books

I generally like SFF fans but I do feel like a lot of them (even a lot of the progressive ones) still want stories that are easy to swallow and are probably afraid to look at their dog's anus.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link

Only thing is, the blurbs for some of these authors can be completely ridiculous and leave you hanging, not knowing what it's like or about. "Britney Spears singing love songs to you while Baudelaire gives you an enema" or some nonsense like that.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:18 (three years ago) link

Ha, exactly.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:25 (three years ago) link

Think I started a thread about that once.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:25 (three years ago) link

nothing more riveting than people talking about their drug regimens, very transgressive

mookieproof, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:32 (three years ago) link

I'm a complete teetolaler and I'm not even into drug talk but my point is it's nice to hear writers talking in a more carefree way. It's probably significant that the horror genre largely escaped the culture war and there's less people out to get each other.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:58 (three years ago) link

Like this crap is still going on in SFF land
https://dorisvsutherland.com/2021/04/06/baens-bar-the-utterly-incompetent-case-for-the-defence/

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 23:02 (three years ago) link

i haven't the patience to delve into what you consider 'culture war' 'crap' that's 'easy to swallow'

tbh i've seen way too much of my cat's anus, but nor have i considered cramming something up there and calling it art

honestly you are fucking creepy as hell; maybe you should stick to to 'open-minded' horror boards where you can discuss what you want to do to your waifus with no judgment

mookieproof, Thursday, 15 April 2021 04:46 (three years ago) link

but nor have i considered cramming something up there and calling it art

Does anyone do this?

Old Lunch was asking maybe two years ago about problems with reactionary horror people but as far as the fiction/poetry side goes it's really minimal compared to SFF, it's been said they're more easy going and get on better together.
The drawback is maybe the low brow attitude, too much easy amusement with juxtaposing high and low culture and the shit eating grins (see lots of horror author photos) and it does annoy me when people feel they have to present dark or gross subject matter in a jokey way, I'm regularly guilty of it too and it's often my first instinct to joke about some of these things. I think people do this because if they keep a straight face about it, they're worried people will think they're crazy.
But I think sometimes humor and punky attitude doesn't let people process things as well, I'd rather the subject matters weren't considered so transgressive or frightening, it makes peoples lives more difficult. So it's nice when people are just more at ease with it all, but the transgression is undeniably part of the appeal of some of these writers.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 15 April 2021 17:30 (three years ago) link

There's been a lot of good buzz about this one
https://www.apocalypse-party.com/negativespace.html

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 15 April 2021 17:33 (three years ago) link

Going to be weird hearing “George R.R. Martin Can Fuck Off Into the Sun, Or: The 2020 Hugo Awards Ceremony (Rageblog Edition)” read out at a ceremony.
https://www.tor.com/2021/04/13/announcing-the-2021-hugo-award-finalists/

https://www.tor.com/2021/04/13/a-brief-guide-to-the-extraordinary-fiction-of-vonda-n-mcintyre/

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:48 (three years ago) link

A little bit heartbreaking how many SFF authors despise each other and the awards nominations intensifying it all.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 15 April 2021 21:43 (three years ago) link

How many people nominated for a Hugo alongside Isabel Fall this year celebrated the removal of her story or contributed to the harassment campaign against her?

I think I count 3 so far. I really hope she wins.

— Experiencing A Significant Poggers Shortfall (@mechanicalkurt) April 13, 2021

The entire SF/F community came out and said "if you don't write about being trans in the way we think you should, we will attempt to harm you."

This is especially angering because it was an open secret that literally all of Chuck Wendig's writer friends were sex pests.

— Qualia Redux (@QualiaRedux) April 15, 2021

and some nice animals. What's weirder than the giant bunny in the first picture, is the way that guy is holding the pilot's head

One great sub-genre of retro sci-fi art: Confusingly Placed Animals pic.twitter.com/P0rmh9WG7I

— 70s Sci-Fi Art (@70sscifi) April 15, 2021

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 15 April 2021 23:24 (three years ago) link

Jess Nevins - Horror Needs No Passport

This starts with Nevins explaining his frustration that there has been very little survey or study of international horror fiction and that he did this book because nobody else had. It sticks to the 20th century (with occasional background and influential writers from further back), skips USA, UK and a few other english speaking countries but there is still a bunch of english fiction included from other countries. Nevins doesn't say which writers he has actually read himself, he quotes other scholars evaluations quite a lot but I did get the impression he was voicing his own opinions about most of the japanese writers (who are surprisingly well represented in english translation) and these were some of the most enjoyable parts.

It might have been inevitable that many of the writers end up sounding very similar and my eyes often glazed over the descriptions of their approaches (what subgenres, where the horror effects are coming from). But every once in a while there's really tantalizing or unusual sounding stories about Africa, Indonesian martial arts horror, a story about a shepherd, Tarzan starring in Israeli horror adventures, italian extreme horror and amazing sounding gothics from all around the world.

It notes a handful of comic artists, Suehiro Maruo is oddly absent but I was pleased to discover Daijiro Morohoshi who I might have seen a little of but most of what I found on search was new to me.

The political/cultural background for every country is detailed, if horror was frowned upon or even outlawed (often in soviet countries, Germany and Japan censored under post-war occupation, some people writing horror only in exile), whether what each writer was doing was considered high art or trash from the gutter. It seemed like quite a lot of the South American writers were politicians.
A few times Nevins writes about authors not pursuing just "mere fear" and it seemed as if it was his own opinion (?), I don't understand why someone so devoted to horror would feel that being scary for it's own sake wasn't enough, given how that approach can be as intense and memorable as anything else when it's done well.

It is mentioned that Ewers was a Nazi but not Strobl, somehow.

No cover credit for Utagawa Kuniyoshi.

I do wish there was some sort of guide about the availability in english of these books. Perhaps Nevins was concerned it would date the book too much and that people might not bother searching for newer books if they weren't already in an english list? I spent a while checking isfdb and amazon for many of the writers but I didn't have the patience to research every writer that sounded promising. A few were indeed published after this book.
Sad that I probably won't hear about most of these authors again. If a particular writer has sufficiently high status, there's a good chance Penguin or some other classics publisher has them in english, a good deal of this stuff goes unnoticed by most horror fans and I can't blame them too much for not catching them all.

This could and should be an important building block for the future of horror. It's pretty great and I bought Nevins' Horror Fiction In The 20th Century, which can be considered a companion to this.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 17 April 2021 00:20 (three years ago) link

I can't remember who the writer was but one of the unique ideas I came across in the above book was from a writer in exile from a dictatorship who wrote a novel in which even gods are powerless against the goverment, which just seems like a horribly depressing idea. Quite a few south american stories were mentioned in which all the characters are completely fucked and have nothing but terrifyingly bad choices available.

I didn't know that books aimed at railway travelers was such a big thing in India. Which makes me wonder about "airport novels", do publishers and even writers really spend a lot of time thinking about what people want to read at an airport?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 17 April 2021 21:06 (three years ago) link

I like the idea of Brunner but haven’t really been able to read.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 18 April 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link

Brunner’s supporting cast, including the Jesuit time-travel expert, Father Ramon

Another one for my 'Catholics in spaaaaaace!' list.

Scheming politicians are captivating, and it hurts (ledge), Monday, 19 April 2021 08:11 (three years ago) link

Never read any Brunner meself, sounds intriguing but this (re: Stand on Zanzibar) puts me off: Some examples of slang include "codder" (man), "shiggy" (woman), "whereinole" (where in hell?), "prowlie" (an armoured police car), "offyourass" (possessing an attitude), "bivving" (bisexuality, from "ambivalent") and "mucker" (a person running amok).

Scheming politicians are captivating, and it hurts (ledge), Monday, 19 April 2021 08:16 (three years ago) link

Elizabeth Moon's Remnant population: emo sf in the Le Guin mould. Good aliens and bad humans, though the humans aren't all that bad, and the dice are stacked rather heavily in favour of the aliens - not that Le Guin didn't indulge in a bit of dice stacking herself. Enjoyable but somewhat cosy and convenient.

Scheming politicians are captivating, and it hurts (ledge), Monday, 19 April 2021 09:28 (three years ago) link

Also for fans of (at least) 5000 posts, this Rollin Speculative looks like the first, b. 2011, and is where I came in: (hey thomp, get back here):
rolling fantasy, science fiction, speculative fiction &c. thread

dow, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 01:42 (two years ago) link

Didn't mean to drop the g, sorry.

dow, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 01:43 (two years ago) link

Or jump the gun on :

dow, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 01:44 (two years ago) link

will jump gun for dinosaur

Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 02:32 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb8IN53dfBQ

Good Ray Bradbury rundown and intro to new exhibit at Chicago's American Writer's Museum.

There's a free talk by his autobiographer tonight:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/sam-weller-telling-bradburys-story-tickets-149947169019?aff=CCSamWellerProgram

BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 21:53 (two years ago) link

re: the recent KSR opening scene

The risk of a heat wave and blackout striking a major U.S. city simultaneously is growing -- and it "may be the deadliest climate-related event we can imagine."https://t.co/Iw5COIAizQ

— Christopher Flavelle (@cflav) May 3, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 3 May 2021 20:19 (two years ago) link

To say something slightly more substantial about many SFF readers wanting simplistic and easy to swallow stories, see some of the commentary on hopepunk. Noblebright (another dumb genre name) is the conservative version but I don't know if there is any actual writers who call themselves that. But many people have found hopepunk stories to be deeply conservative. Katherine Addison's Goblin Emperor in particular.
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/1268544277

Some people accused Becky Chambers of racial stereotyping in her hopepunk space operas.

Peter Watts has been very supportive of Kelly Robson but he still ridiculed the hopepunk genre because he found the idea of hope being subversive to be laughable. Hope is the default he says.

As much as I enjoy this kind of mockery, I do actually want to enjoy Goblin Emperor and Chambers if and when I read them because a lot of people genuinely loved them, so I'm kind of hyped.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 18:31 (two years ago) link

Don't know about racial stereotyping but the one becky chambers thing I tried to read was so pollyanna-ish I couldn't finish it.

Peppy protagonist: hey evil space pirates, don't rape and murder us and steal all our supplies, it makes more sense for you to just take what you need and leave us in peace!
Evil space pirates: Ok sure!

I was born anxious, here's how to do it. (ledge), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 18:39 (two years ago) link

I hate hate hate the -punk construction, yes even cyberpunk and steampunk. Basically if you haven't been in the pit at Agnostic Front or, er, The Exploited don't call yourself punk, whippersnappers. Hopepunk is the worst yet, although noblepunk would beat it if anyone had been mad enough to moniker the 'genre' thus.

electrical wizard (Matt #2), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 19:25 (two years ago) link

Yes Hopepunk is particularly gross.

If you want racial stereotyping I can(not) recommend Hellspark by Janet Kagan. Not that she stereotypes any existing races or cultures, but in her humanoid diaspora every planet confirms to extremely rigid and laboured stereotypes (one lot carry knives which they obsessively polish while thinking; one lot shake bangles to make a point; one lot approach from the right to appear submissive, obviously another lot approach from the right to appear dominant!) and it's only one interplanetary traveller who helps them see that hey man underneath we're all the same!

I was born anxious, here's how to do it. (ledge), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 19:29 (two years ago) link

I'll accept cyberpunk and splatterpunk but I feel that if there is no punk aesthetic at all, then I'd rather call it something else. So steampunk is steamtech to me. Dieselpunk is dieseltech, solarpunk is solar SF, mannerpunk is fantasy-of-manners, hopepunk is uuuhhhh, I dunno.

Somebody mocking it called it Copepunk.

Adding punk to everything makes the genre naming so boring too. I also find it dumb in music when someone highly individual and/or untutored like Captain Beefheart gets called punk, I don't think it makes a lot of sense.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 19:47 (two years ago) link

Jess Nevins - Horror Fiction In The 20th Century

This book is a huge undertaking and it was impossible this was going to please everyone. It covers more areas of horror fiction than most surveys care to or even would consider looking at, but it's under 300 pages and Nevins is just here by himself. In addition to the expected anglosphere writers and the parts cut and paste from Horror Needs No Passport (I did wonder if there were some new entries in these parts, because there were profiles I didn't remember), there's sections on horror for children and young adults, horror written by (and largely for?) African Americans, Latinx, Native Americans, Australian Aboriginals, Gays and Lesbians that mostly never had much of an audience outside their own communities.

I had some of the same problems with this as I did with Horror Needs No Passport (profiles on writers often blur together through similarities, authors who write primarily to scare seem to be considered less worthy) but this is often a more fun read.
The parts I enjoyed the most are when Nevins makes arguments and gets opinionated. I have never heard so much about the various trends going on in the ghost story and pulp eras and the claim that women ghost story authors made advancements that unfortunately weren't built on for a long time. There's some authors profiled who seem to have been a big deal in their time who I don't recall hearing about (Harriet Prescott Spofford and John Burke). I hadn't ever heard that James Herbert, Bentley Little and Benchley's Jaws novel all had a leftist outlook. Very few authors get a bad review but I was pleased the entries on Tanith Lee and SP Somtow were so positive; oddly the opinion in Horror Needs No Passport that Koji Suzuki is a bad writer saved by great ideas is not included here. Was Rosemary Timperley really more popular than Daphne Du Maurier? Timperley is fairly obscure these days and much of her short stories are impossible to find, even hard enough to find her novels.

I wish Nevins had made it clearer which authors he had himself read extensively and which he was going more on other scholars' research. We are often told a writer uses certain subjects and approaches "to terrify the reader" and I'm generally guessing this is more the intent of the authors rather than the actual effect on most of its readers? But it's not clear. How often is anything expected to terrify an experienced horror reader?

At the end he lists a lot of authors he would like to have covered but didn't have the time to. Some were big enough to surprise me (Graham Masterton). I'm surprised he didn't mention Jessica Amanda Salmonson here because he admires her as a scholar and cites her often. Nevins given Fantastic Victoriana an enormous update so maybe this will receive some expansion years down the line too?

This book could have used another proofreading, the typos are generally minor but there's a few bigger mistakes like Julian Gracq being called "Jean Gracq", Basil Copper is called "Basil Cooper" a few times.

Some further complaints and more minor quibbles.
- Brian Eno is wrongly listed as the producer of Velvet Underground's debut album (a comparison is made about the relatively low sales of Weird Tales despite its enormous influence to what Eno said about Velvet Undergound's debut).
- Hugh B Cave's comeback is not mentioned, only his pulp era.
- Marion Zimmer Bradley is mentioned in the context of 40s ghost stories. Bradley did start publishing in the late 40s but I doubt this is who Nevins meant.
- Datlow's part of Year's Best Fantasy & Horror is mentioned but I thought it was worth mentioning how many editors came before in this type of anthology.
- I was pleased to see the section on 60s/70s paperback era gothic romances but it seems to only scratch the surface, given the enormous number of book covers I've seen from this particular era.
- The RPG section doesn't mention Worlds Of Darkness.
- Some novels are included for sheer misery and I kept expecting to see Samuel Delany's Hogg but it wasn't there.
- I wanted some elaboration on why the 80s were a golden age and why the 90s were a slump. Is this purely about sales? Nevins says (noting a rare agreement with Joshi) that the slump allowed more artistic writers to cater to a more sophisticated readership. But couldn't this still have happened within the genre if sales had been better?
- I would have liked much more opinions rather than the encyclopedia approach it takes most of the time.

Despite all this, it's a very good book, not as vital as Horror Needs No Passport but still an achievement.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 8 May 2021 22:03 (two years ago) link

3/4 of the way through a book that was recommended by both James Morrison and ledge and it is not disappointing. Can’t wait to see what will happen after the dust storm ends.

― We Jam von Economo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 23 January 2020 01:17 (one year ago) link

So far seems to be shaping up to be an instant ILB sf classic, a worthy successor to Inverted World.

― We Jam von Economo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 23 January 2020 01:23 (one year ago) link

Which?

― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 23 January 2020 01:24 (one year ago) link

Theory of Bastards, by Audrey Schulman.

― We Jam von Economo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 23 January 2020 01:29 (one year ago) link

So, this was one of the last books I bought in-person pre-pandemic, and I've just now gotten around to reading it. I'm halfway through, and I'm loving it so far!

Mark E. Smith died this year. Or, maybe last year. (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 12:43 (two years ago) link

(Also in a truly bizarre coincidence, I started reading it the day after my mom called to tell me about a Genius-grant-recipient former colleague and friend of hers, whom I met once many years ago, being written up in the New York Times for her work on endometriosis!)

Mark E. Smith died this year. Or, maybe last year. (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 12:46 (two years ago) link

> a worthy successor to Inverted World.

IW is currently 99p on kindle in the uk

koogs, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:43 (two years ago) link

Cool. Maybe the handful of stragglers here who haven’t read it can catch up. Or maybe it has already been relegated to Olde ILX/Olde SF Thread and has fallen out of favor.

Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 15:10 (two years ago) link

> the handful of stragglers here who haven’t read it

*SOBS*

koogs, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 16:08 (two years ago) link

i miss shakey big-upping silverbob

mookieproof, Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:29 (two years ago) link

Totally

Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:33 (two years ago) link

Jeff VanderMeer - Hummingbird Salamander

I had only read his Area X books before. Does he write all of his books like this? It spends page after page saying how significant the hummingbird and the salamander are, but it takes ages to explain why. (Supposedly because of events in the narrator's life, but this turns out to be untrue, despite her supposedly writing the book down after she has learned that it's untrue.) Most of the novel has the form of a Dan Brown quest but the clues are obviously nonsense, and lead to another clue anyway, despite it all ending up to be irrelevant in the final pages. My least favorite piece of fiction that I've read in quite a while.

wasdnuos (abanana), Saturday, 15 May 2021 00:37 (two years ago) link

frederik pohl - 'the world at the end of time'

conventional human ark-ship colonization story + 'tau zero'-ish time dilation interspersed with the ramblings of a plasma-based superbeing roughly as old as the universe.

unfortunately the main human character is an annoying prick, and it's unclear why anyone else cares about him. at one point he's reunited with someone he thought long dead, which should have been monumental but is passed over quickly because him having truly missed them isn't believable and the returning character has no depth whatsoever.

there's some awkward sex stuff, although tbf it's not as bad as that of most of his old-school sci-fi colleagues. the superbeing, despite having every other chapter devoted to it, has no role to play other than inadvertently causing the time dilation. not only does it not actually encounter our humans, it only becomes dimly aware of them in the final pages.

not v. good. only other thing i've read by him is the first heechee book; iirc that was better

mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 07:26 (two years ago) link

Wolfbane is a ride for sure, he was at his best in collaboration with CM Kornbluth imo

remind me not to read the comments on that one (Matt #2), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 09:11 (two years ago) link

I know this is very much scraping the bottom of the barrel, but: I have a lot of affection for the Warhammer and (to a lesser degree) Warhammer 40k universes. Anyone know of any novelizations or audio dramas set in those worlds that are good?

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 10:37 (two years ago) link

I think Pohl was a good guy, a nice person, based on what I've read and meeting him once, as well as being a good editor but yeah, his best work was Gateway and his stuff with CM Kornbluth. Shakey had some ability to slog through some of other things I didn't have the patience for.

Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 13:36 (two years ago) link

Pohl is a strange one - when he's on his game - Gateway, Man Plus, some of the short stories like 'Tunnel under the world' and 'The Midas plague' - he's definitely top tier, and certainly a more pleasing stylist than someone like Asimov. But there are long stretches in his career where he writes almost nothing of note, ie most of the sixties and pretty much everything after Jem in 1979 (he wrote close to twenty novels from 1980 until his death, but none of them seem to be very highly regarded). I guess like so many SF authors he wrote too much, too carelessly.

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 15:22 (two years ago) link

Was going to mention "The Tunnel Under the World," which is indeed classic. Shakey stanned for Man Plus iirc.

Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 15:24 (two years ago) link

I wanna say the way I read the first Elric trilogy (?) was in a Science Fiction Book Club omnibus, ca. early 80s. Got to be a slog, maybe too soon after The Urth of The New Sun, and I'm not really a fantasy series reader by nature, it seems. Got hooked on Urth, but long ago forgot most of it.
Do remember Lord of The Rings, which I read all in one volume, as author intended, and sure enough it was all one novel. (This was a 90s edition, with a lot of corrections, according to the editor and some of my friends who have read it.)
Good overview of the 2023 Hugos scandal, from the guys who got the leaks and broke the news---two posts, one a brief intro, the second goes into more detail, cogently, and sparing us screen shots, email etc., although some of that may be forthcoming or already teeming elsewhere(this can be dl as epub or pdf or just read here):
https://www.patreon.com/posts/2023-hugo-awards-98498779

dow, Sunday, 18 February 2024 02:50 (two months ago) link

watched the quite poor Moonfall last night. the most interesting thing in it was the alien presence which looked and acted a lot like i imagined the inhibitors from Revelation Space would look. there was also a shot of something that looked like an Orbital. and a bit of the sky falling like in Seveneves.

koogs, Sunday, 18 February 2024 14:20 (two months ago) link

How come I never knew about the Clute library in Telluride before?
https://www.tellurideinstitute.org/clute-science-fiction-library/

The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 February 2024 00:53 (two months ago) link

that led me to the cover scans available at the sf encyclopedia: https://sf-encyclopedia.com/gallery.php?sample

ledge, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 13:50 (one month ago) link

Did you happen by any chance to see this cover there?
https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/0/0f/FSFDec1955.jpg

The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 16:45 (one month ago) link

no, is it notable?

ledge, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 20:42 (one month ago) link

Dunno, I just like the presence of the last two author names

The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 20:54 (one month ago) link

ok yes lol

ledge, Wednesday, 21 February 2024 20:57 (one month ago) link

The Wodehouse story is apparently "Mulliner's Buck-U-Uppo."

The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 20:58 (one month ago) link

You can listen to an adaptation here if you like: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6vhgyr

The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 20:59 (one month ago) link

Charles Platt - An Accidental Life volume 3

This volume is mostly concerned with Platt moving to America, various bad choices, disastrous relationships and desperate situations. Quite a few road trips and convetions too. I had already read about his unhappy meeting with Damon Knight in the expanded editions of Dream Makers but this goes into even more depth. It seemed to destroy his confidence in his ability to write science fiction, which is surprising because because he's normally defiant about most things but eventually he snaps out of it near the end of the book when he's starting to work on the Dream Makers books. And it's a relief when things start looking better for Platt.
There's quite a lot of Thomas Disch and Norman Spinrad in here. Disch deliberately introducing Platt to people who didn't like him was very funny. Brian Aldiss goes into a bizarre tantrum when Platt teases him about acting like a sex pest (which is an unpleasant surprise in addition to the unsurprising story about Asimov).

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 24 February 2024 18:55 (one month ago) link

I got the Immanion tribute anthologies to Tanith Lee (Night's Nieces) and Storm Constantine (Pashterina's Peacocks) and they are mixes of stories, non-fiction and photos. Some unexpected names too and it's kind of great to see memories of what seem like lost decades sometimes. There's a bit about Constantine's contribution to a Fields Of Nephilim album.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 24 February 2024 20:40 (one month ago) link

Charles Platt - An Accidental Life volume 4

This book stops at 1990 and I don't think he will write any more because his involvement with science fiction is much smaller after that point (to be honest I'm not sure how much I'd enjoy a book about his time at Wired magazine, even though they seem to be some of his happiest years, but I would try to read it if he eventually does write it, I'd like to know about his prehistoric novels he written as Charlotte Prentiss).
This is my favorite book in the series. Platt gets addicted to computers, involved with cryonics and there's a lot about his meetings with most of the famous cyberpunks, especially his friendship with Bruce Sterling.
Harlan Ellison, Susan Wood, Jerry Pournelle and Arthur Byron Cover get violent. Platt writes his favorite novels and tries to write a Warhammer book. Lots of fun little stories about people in science fiction, nice photos of them hanging out.

A big part of my reason for reading this series is trying to figure Platt out. I still don't understand a lot of his opinions. He criticizes a lot of SF for having a lack of rigor/explanation but praises Ballard for not explaining much and he likes Marvel superheroes! He doesn't like horror but he loves Stephen King and has quite a morbid imagination. He offers very little reasoning for disliking french people so much. Why did he make his porn videogame sound so controversial? It looks pretty standard, there's hundreds of games like that today and it even looked quite classy by comparison, especially for a game in the 80s (looked like Uno Moralez!)
I think I understand Andre Norton's complaints about how Platt was portraying her in the early drafts of their interview, perhaps she didn't want to look like a nice cozy granny next to younger, more radical writers.

I don't know how defensible it was but I thought his prank on Lewis Shiner and Bruce Sterling was brilliant and funny.

I want to read his Patchin Review collection and then Silicon Man and Free Zone when I can, probably some others too.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 2 March 2024 20:35 (one month ago) link

Wondering if I should try Shadrach in the Furnace

The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 3 March 2024 00:52 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Did we ever discuss this historical dictionary of sf?
https://sfdictionary.com/view/1090/pocket-universe

Don’t Want to Say Goodbye Jumbo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 March 2024 02:26 (one month ago) link

Although I lurked on I Love Music for a long time, I didn't look beyond that sub and only recently joined ilxor.

I look forward to reading this thread, as well as those that preceded it.

Although it has been many years since I read Armor, I am surprised that a search of this website for John Steakley turned up zero results, as I enjoyed the book back then.

What was I missing?

BriefCandles, Thursday, 21 March 2024 03:01 (four weeks ago) link

never heard of it/him, but i am confident that james redd can weigh in

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 March 2024 03:15 (four weeks ago) link

Thanks for the quick response!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armor_(novel)

I will try to weigh in on other favourites as well...

BriefCandles, Thursday, 21 March 2024 03:36 (four weeks ago) link

never heard of it/him, but i am confident that james redd can weigh in

Ha, thanks but no clue

Make Me Smile (Come Around and See Me) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 March 2024 04:00 (four weeks ago) link

Although I have never read it, as I am not a vampire fan, Steakley's other novel "Vampire$" was adapted into a movie starring James Woods...

BriefCandles, Thursday, 21 March 2024 04:04 (four weeks ago) link

Currently (re)reading the Fionavar Tapestry by Guy Gavriel Kay. I'm in the middle of The Wandering Fire, which is the second book.

Although I had previously read Kay's Tigana and thoroughly enjoyed it, I was always more of a SciFi fan, and despite being Canadian, I was originally offput by the first novel being set in 1980s Toronto.
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That said, this trilogy is a nice mix of Arthurian legend, high fantasy and "modern" day (80s) fiction.

A solid 8/10 for me.

BriefCandles, Thursday, 21 March 2024 04:24 (four weeks ago) link

i like the fionavar series a lot; there are Consequences

wouldn't say the first one is set in toronto any more than the first narnia book is set in england

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 March 2024 04:36 (four weeks ago) link

Recently read my first K.W. Jeter, Mantis: rude, speedy hyperfocus of ov narrator who has just discovered the joy of typing on his first 1980s computer (green words on black screen, whirling away as he shuts it down, coming back when he does), hovering anxiously over the latest nightly escapes of his schizoid brain child (also has a daylight sperm-egg child and ex-wife who still cares about him, and vice-versa). These last provide welcome change, also the narrator has a downstairs neighbor somewhat like Jeter's buddy PKD, but mainly this mines a narrow vein among nerves, if w/o that 80s "splatter" horror effect---planty stanky though, in cold sweat way. Violence against certain women, the ones who supposedly seek it out. However, there's a twist at the end (with another implied).
Ugh, but it's usually not that hard to read, at least for (old male) me. Would like to see Jeter's talent and skill applied otherwise. May read his one Star Wars bounty hunter books that the local library still has

dow, Friday, 22 March 2024 03:25 (four weeks ago) link

"books" got in there because was thinking of Jeter's Star Wars bounty hunter trilogy---may have been more, but that's what the library used to have (think he's also written at least one Star Trek tie-in)(and SF Encyclopedia says that he seems to have been the first to use "steampunk" in print, re what he and Blaylock etc. were doing).

dow, Friday, 22 March 2024 03:32 (four weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

Sharon Green died two years ago but her obituary only appeared recently in Locus because she must have been distant from the SFF scene

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 6 April 2024 17:57 (one week ago) link


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