I mean, fkn SPY reported on Rudin 30 years ago. This is not a breaking story.disclaimer: back in the 90s I worked briefly in the offices of both Rudin and equally famed bully Lynda 0bst. Good times. It was no secret.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 10 April 2021 22:54 (three years ago) link
The THR article cites several other reported pieces, as well as the 1994 film Swimming With Sharks. It is not pretending to break the story.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 11 April 2021 00:30 (three years ago) link
I mean, fkn SPY reported on Rudin 30 years ago. This is not a breaking story.
Neither was Weinstein having a rep.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 11 April 2021 00:38 (three years ago) link
I just saw somewhere that the Weinstein-inspired Law & Orderverse ep w/Jeff Garlin as HW is over 10 years old.
― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 11 April 2021 02:14 (three years ago) link
love the 'oh, this is news to you? *i* always knew better' response
― mookieproof, Sunday, 11 April 2021 02:48 (three years ago) link
go on. I’d love to know what the story is here beyond “known asshole remains asshole.”is it that the industry still tolerates all sorts of cruelty? is it that the streaming revolution has shaken up previous hierarchies sufficiently that people feel more empowered to speak out? is it that a new generation is coming up that might do things differently? is it that Rudin’s weak enough now that this can be said out loud in the trades?MZS tweet says more than the THR piece does.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 11 April 2021 04:47 (three years ago) link
so i guess you were there first? and did nothing? kudos?
― mookieproof, Sunday, 11 April 2021 05:18 (three years ago) link
If any reporter or screenwriter ever writes about humans, corporations or governments doing bad things, nobody must ever report on those subjects again, especially if they continue to do the same bad things for decades
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 11 April 2021 06:44 (three years ago) link
not going to bother responding seriously.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 11 April 2021 14:01 (three years ago) link
Followup piece on Rudin:
https://www.vulture.com/2021/04/scott-rudin-abusive-behavior-allegations-career.html
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 17 April 2021 02:07 (three years ago) link
Looks like Jackman did have a word: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/17/theater/scott-rudin-steps-away-from-broadway.html
(sourced from the slightly less sceptical)
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 17 April 2021 18:38 (three years ago) link
"Why Some Hollywood Execs Are Hoping for Scott Rudin to Return":
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/scott-rudin-claims-some-execs-are-hoping-for-scott-rudin-to-return
33 Rudin assistants interviewed:
https://www.vulture.com/2021/04/scott-rudin-as-told-by-his-assistants.html
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 23 April 2021 09:52 (three years ago) link
Meanwhile at Jake Paul's influencer "collab house," bullying, wage theft, racist abuse and sexual assault:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/22/style/jake-paul-team-10.html
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 23 April 2021 09:58 (three years ago) link
lol at scott-rudin-claims-some-execs-are-hoping-for-scott-rudin-to-return
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 23 April 2021 14:15 (three years ago) link
"Some Execs Are Rudiner Than Others"
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 April 2021 14:26 (three years ago) link
why ya gotta be so Rudin
― Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Friday, 23 April 2021 14:29 (three years ago) link
some execs' mothers are Rudiner other execs' mothers
― 80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Friday, 23 April 2021 14:40 (three years ago) link
Chabon lengthily acknowledging his two-decade complicity:
https://michaelchabon.medium.com/apology-of-a-rudin-apologist-85bec4879119
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 24 April 2021 05:43 (two years ago) link
English actor, writer/director and producer Noel Clarke thoroughly #MeToo-ed in the Guardian, with 20 accusers so far, and comments suggesting this is the tip of an iceberg. His and his lawyers' statements to the paper, and phone calls to women they suspected of being sources, are flashing neon signs, too.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 29 April 2021 21:48 (two years ago) link
More anecdotes and statements about Clarke have continued to come out, such as this from the London School Of Dramatic Art.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 2 May 2021 01:17 (two years ago) link
can we not use “#me-tooed” when the article doesn’t say that, and it’s used as a shorthand by conservative pundits as a way to say “this person is a victim of mob action and he probably did nothing wrong”?
― mh, Sunday, 2 May 2021 01:52 (two years ago) link
sorry, you said “#metoo-ed”
― mh, Sunday, 2 May 2021 01:53 (two years ago) link
I still think of it as a righteous reckoning, apologies if anyone reading has converted to reading it otherwise.
(I'm personally inclined to not surrender useful language to those who deliberately try and divert it - it's certainly easy to tell when people are using "woke" sincerely, vs gammons steaming their hamheads about "wokery" and "gwgb" - but will be cautious around that one.)
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 2 May 2021 02:56 (two years ago) link
fwiw, i also read "me-too'd" as shorthand for "Caught" and not much else
― Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 2 May 2021 04:01 (two years ago) link
(The fact that so many women were able to say "me too" when told that others had spoken to the reporters, and more did so in response to the article about the first 20 dropping, supported the value of the phrase imo)
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 2 May 2021 04:24 (two years ago) link
― Scamp Granada (gyac), Sunday, 2 May 2021 07:54 (two years ago) link
I think it's probably tactically useful to tie it to "remember that time when we decided this wasn't okay (and that time a bit later when we remembered that we decided that again)" - I agree it's not useful to over-consider conservative media's smearing of terms (or there'd be no BLM or Antifa).
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 2 May 2021 08:23 (two years ago) link
the hashtag as a verb is best avoided unless you want to sound like kanye
― Left, Sunday, 2 May 2021 08:51 (two years ago) link
Mh’s explanation is useful, but I’d add to it. The term puts the focus on the person being accused and inverts the actors and victims in a really perverse way, to the point that it flattens out the actual happening(s) and the pain caused by it(people talking about what has happened to them) to this very cynical sort of “so and so got targeted by these accusations”. It’s a really unhelpful term at best and I’d encourage those of you determined to use it who you think you’re doing it for.
― Scamp Granada (gyac), Sunday, 2 May 2021 08:52 (two years ago) link
*to ask who you think, gah
― Scamp Granada (gyac), Sunday, 2 May 2021 09:02 (two years ago) link
I'd see the focus being switched to the accused as a good thing though, it takes it as read that there's a preponderance of accounts against him and short-circuits any he-said-she-said.
I mean, I'll be happy if and when it gets to the point where a single accuser has more weight than the accused, but the power imbalance in the stories itt suggests that'll take more than parity.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 2 May 2021 09:37 (two years ago) link
Four women sexually harassed and bullied by Clarke on the set of Dr Who, before he began writing/directing/producing, have also given accounts to the Guuardian. His legal responses continue to be persuasive.
...another former runner on Doctor Who alleges Clarke sexually harassed her and another female coworker in a bar at the Holland House Hotel in the mid-2000s in Cardiff, following a work event. When the women rejected Clarke’s advances, she alleges, he became “rude” and “aggressive”. The following day, she said Clarke spread false rumours about both women on set.Clarke strongly denied the allegation. His lawyers said there would have been no real need or purpose for him to be in the hotel bar because he does not drink.
Clarke strongly denied the allegation. His lawyers said there would have been no real need or purpose for him to be in the hotel bar because he does not drink.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 7 May 2021 22:58 (two years ago) link
I really fucking hate this. Dude was set up to be the fucking Golden Child and he wiped his ass all over the opportunity.
― 80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Saturday, 8 May 2021 17:03 (two years ago) link
DJP otm disgusting entitled toxic bullshit
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 8 May 2021 17:34 (two years ago) link
when these are the "further reading" headlines about you in one week
https://i.imgur.com/bvd3fXv.jpg
your best move is probably to respond to an ex's accusation of “abusive, manipulative, and predatory” behaviour with instagram posts saying things like "do you know what’s ‘predatory behaviour’? When we were having a fuckin’ threesome with your fuckin’ weird mate from the fuckin’ bar and I was having a fuckin’ diarrhea shit on the toilet and you were trying to kick the fuckin’ door in to fuckin’ sit on my dick." and "I’m confused as to where the predatory thing is coming from. What even is the accusation?… If it’s the predatory thing, it’s false. Also, I was 29 at the time. What’s the problem with trying to find a 19-year-old?"
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 06:36 (two years ago) link
There has been a mini reckoning with harassment/discrimination in the beer industry in the last week. A female brewer began soliciting stories from women and POC of issues they have faced working in the industry and started receiving an avalanche of stories related mostly through Instagram. Specific bad actors were named and shit popped off:
https://www.goodbeerhunting.com/sightlines/2021/5/18/beer-industry-allegations-legal-vulnerability
― Deicide at Chuck E. Cheese (PBKR), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 11:40 (two years ago) link
wasn't sure whether to put this here or in the "shit that looks like an onion article" thread
Kevin Spacey ‘to play sex abuse investigator’ in acting comeback https://t.co/jdyLttrySq— The Independent (@Independent) May 24, 2021
― Roz, Monday, 24 May 2021 08:29 (two years ago) link
.....
― Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 May 2021 14:49 (two years ago) link
Given how #metoo was received in Italy, I can't say I'm surprised.
― pomenitul, Monday, 24 May 2021 14:53 (two years ago) link
Is this the movie/metoo thread? This is tangential, but interesting:
Does my name belong to me? My face? What about my life? My story? Why does my name refer to events I had no hand in? I return to these questions because others continue to profit off my name, face, & story without my consent. Most recently, the film #STILLWATER. / a thread— Amanda Knox (@amandaknox) July 29, 2021
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 July 2021 20:48 (two years ago) link
Nice how she gets a plug in for her podcast there
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 31 July 2021 15:14 (two years ago) link
cmon she has been through total hell and then some -- for some movie to use her story and publicize it with her name without her consent is gross and very wrong imo
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 31 July 2021 19:08 (two years ago) link
I think I’d have more sympathy if she hadn’t falsely accused her (black) boss at the bar she worked at of being the murderer.. and making up details to support that story. It completely wrecked the guy’s life. She was convicted of that. Is that “morally vile”? I’m going to say yes. But Patrick Lumumba doesn’t have a podcast and doesn’t do “threads”.. so who tells that story (and does Knox get final sign-off??)
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 1 August 2021 14:51 (two years ago) link
I guess I forgot about that part. I can’t help but have some sympathy for her even though she’s clearly some variety of asshole.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 1 August 2021 15:09 (two years ago) link
Was this the accusation that was after days of abusive interrogation without a lawyer and that was basically concocted by the police themselves?
― Believe me, grow a lemon tree. (ledge), Sunday, 1 August 2021 15:13 (two years ago) link
Hoo boy
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 1 August 2021 16:07 (two years ago) link
Do enlighten me! I didn't think "it's the police who are the bad guys" was such a hot take but I'm happy to be proved wrong.
― Believe me, grow a lemon tree. (ledge), Sunday, 1 August 2021 16:30 (two years ago) link
At this point we should probably create a bot that ingests all of truejustice.org and a bot that ingests all of amandaknox.com and have them collaborate on a DLC of Ace AttorneyI can’t imagine what it’s like to be her, or Monica Lewinsky, or anybody else “embroiled” in a huge public scandal. But I think people do get to make movies about your story, or based on your story, without asking your blessing probably.
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 1 August 2021 16:48 (two years ago) link
Legally speaking, I think Knox has become a "public figure" and therefore has no enforceable claim over the publicly available details of her story, including use of her name, so long as it is not implied she has approved of or endorsed its use. Her only valid claim is confined to the ethics of the situation. If the film makers didn't even reach out to seek her opinion about the script, it's kind of shitty of them.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Sunday, 1 August 2021 18:10 (two years ago) link
Why would they need her opinion on their script?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 1 August 2021 18:22 (two years ago) link