petitioning to be admitted into the alternate universe where "wonderland" was a hit instead of "bad blood"
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 9 April 2021 15:02 (three years ago) link
or 'Clean"!!
― I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Friday, 9 April 2021 15:05 (three years ago) link
how do you write a song like "new romantics" and not put it on your album... top 5 t swift song for me
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 9 April 2021 15:06 (three years ago) link
During the mid '10s I listen to her albums less as statements than collections. I skipped around a lot. In 2014, the strength of "Blank Slate" and "Style" as singles reenergized my fandom after Red weakened it. I was wrong about Red and 1989.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 April 2021 15:10 (three years ago) link
1989 is a great album and I'm not surprised at all it won, and yes, all the bonus tracks are great. I'm more surprised that there are 9 people who think Folklore is her best.
― Indexed, Friday, 9 April 2021 15:13 (three years ago) link
i like that fearless and speak now tied. that’s a good result
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 9 April 2021 15:18 (three years ago) link
1989 is very good, but it’s not like it’s her Purple Rain or something.
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Friday, 9 April 2021 15:38 (three years ago) link
Lover was way too low. Not saying it should have placed in the top four, but it should have had much more than 1 lousy vote.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 9 April 2021 15:43 (three years ago) link
Did anybody say that? She doesn't have a Purple Rain anyway.
Lover might be her Graffiti Bridge tho.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 9 April 2021 15:43 (three years ago) link
We need to do a proper poll for her, damn it
― Indexed, Friday, 9 April 2021 15:46 (three years ago) link
this is probably kind of a good time for it
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 9 April 2021 15:47 (three years ago) link
Did anybody say that?
That's sort of what I took sleeve to be saying; no biggie, I just wouldn't have thought it would be a clear-cut/default choice.
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Friday, 9 April 2021 16:19 (three years ago) link
The question is, is Taylor Swift out of her Berlin-era Bowie period?.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 May 2021 18:23 (two years ago) link
@DamonAlbarn I was such a big fan of yours until I saw this. I write ALL of my own songs. Your hot take is completely false and SO damaging. You don’t have to like my songs but it’s really fucked up to try and discredit my writing. WOW. https://t.co/t6GyXBU2Jd— Taylor Swift (@taylorswift13) January 24, 2022
I totally agree with you. i had a conversation about songwriting and sadly it was reduced to clickbait. I apologise unreservedly and unconditionally. The last thing I would want to do is discredit your songwriting. I hope you understand. - Damon— Damon Albarn (@Damonalbarn) January 24, 2022
What part of this was reduced to clickbait? You said her songwriting doesn't count as songwriting and then compared her to another female artist with a completely different style.Don't gaslight and throw someone else under the bus because you never thought she'd call you out. pic.twitter.com/Vjupk6XSyT— Alex Goldschmidt (@alexandergold) January 24, 2022
― Indexed, Monday, 24 January 2022 22:46 (two years ago) link
Here is a list of songs where Swift is the only songwriter. All of these I consider among the best songs on each respective album:
The OutsideOur SongFifteenLove StoryHey StephenThe Best DayJump Then FallDear JohnMeanState of GraceRedThis LoveLoverCornelia StreetMy Tears Ricochet
― Indexed, Monday, 24 January 2022 22:49 (two years ago) link
You tell him, Tik Tok guy
― west elm girls (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 January 2022 22:58 (two years ago) link
And even in his cagey response he can't even praise Eilish without making sure her brother is tossed in because surely not even Billie can't do it herself. Gross.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 24 January 2022 22:59 (two years ago) link
But also Tik Tok guy looks a Joel McHale that didn't finish rendering all the way.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 24 January 2022 23:00 (two years ago) link
lol, I just wanted to include the screengrab from the article
― Indexed, Monday, 24 January 2022 23:03 (two years ago) link
He looks like a Nick Kroll character, ha ha
― Rockin’, and rollin’, and whatnot (morrisp), Monday, 24 January 2022 23:15 (two years ago) link
(xp - btw, I generally appreciate both the screengrab and the opportunity to laugh at the conversation-jacker)
― Rockin’, and rollin’, and whatnot (morrisp), Monday, 24 January 2022 23:16 (two years ago) link
lol man, Albarn, of all the people to pick a fight with you pick a fight with Taylor Swift ... where have you been, dude?
I don't know how much she does or does not write all by herself - like screenwriting credits and stuff like that, I'm sure it gets political and stays secretive - but I'm not sure it matters, because no matter who contributes what, or helps with what, her songs would not be what they are without her creative input, whatever percent. The flipside question of course is, say, for all his credits and success, would Max Martin be able to write hit songs for himself? And the answer is no.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 January 2022 23:20 (two years ago) link
Taking 1989 as an example, I don't know why they'd credit cowriters for 12 of the 13 songs on the album if she wasn't fully responsible for writing "This Love."
― Indexed, Monday, 24 January 2022 23:24 (two years ago) link
I quickly checked the credits of a few Blur albums; looks like Albarn writes (most of) the lyrics himself, but the music is all credited to the band(?) Is he mainly talking about lyrics here?
― Rockin’, and rollin’, and whatnot (morrisp), Monday, 24 January 2022 23:28 (two years ago) link
she's been pretty open talking about her creative processes in working with varying songwriting partners over the years, none of it's really a secret.
― ufo, Monday, 24 January 2022 23:33 (two years ago) link
Didn't she even do a documentary about the process for Folklore?
― A really interesting songwriter is Billie Eilish and her brother. (morrisp), Monday, 24 January 2022 23:39 (two years ago) link
yeah, it was a live-in-studio session where they'd cut to discussions of the songwriting process etc. after each song
― ufo, Monday, 24 January 2022 23:42 (two years ago) link
I've always assumed TS made a point of filling an entire album with solo credits partly to blunt this kind of thing. But yeah mostly makes Albarn just look out of it. Even casual fans know that she is a capital-S Songwriter.
She obviously likes co-writing too, and she's been smart about who she works with. It may be the most Nashville thing that she's retained from her early years.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 24 January 2022 23:46 (two years ago) link
I would love to hear a start-to-end document of how some of these pop songs begin and how they make it to their final forms, but that shit is no doubt locked down.
I remember a Rick Beato video where he talks about this one pretty boilerplate (but good!) chord progression, and he pulls up every one of Max Martin's 22 number one hits or something and notes absolutely *none* of them use the boilerplate chord progression *except* the Taylor Swift song, which he surmises is because she insisted he use them. Which isn't a bad thing at all, she knows what she's doing!
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 January 2022 23:47 (two years ago) link
Even if she didn't write her own songs (which obv is false), which is this still allowed to scan as a critique in 2021
― they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 January 2022 23:50 (two years ago) link
as i said this info is very public for a ton of songs - a lot of it's readily available on the wikipedia pages for her albums in varying degrees of detail, and there's other details from interviews that haven't made it there.
― ufo, Monday, 24 January 2022 23:56 (two years ago) link
I said hear, not read. I would love to hear the earliest glimmers of some of these pop songs and their gradual transition into the finished product.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 January 2022 23:57 (two years ago) link
Have you ever listened to the podcasts Song Exploder or Tape Notes? They can vary from episode to episode, but sometimes they get into the deep-down gritty origins of things. The Carly Rae Jepsen episode of Song Exploder is an example of one where they take you from the raw demos through to the finished song.
https://songexploder.net/carly-rae-jepsen
― peace, man, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 00:43 (two years ago) link
I don't want to hear it! It's not interesting, and it places burden of proof on her on what is the least interesting part of making pop/country singles. xpost
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 00:48 (two years ago) link
Swift has released quite a few voice memo demos over the years, you can find them on YouTube and elsewhere. It's obviously not the songs at their very earliest, but they're still pretty gestational. Pretty interesting.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 00:53 (two years ago) link
Yeah, I'm not just talking about Swift, I'm talking about lots of songs. I always love learning about the choices artists and producers make, all the different directions they could have gone.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 00:58 (two years ago) link
I agree. It's one of the fun things about the Dylan bootleg series, e.g., the way you can hear the songs evolve as he tries different things in the studio.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 01:00 (two years ago) link
Dylan didn't write his own songs! Let me tell you about Jacques Levy (sips drink, takes drag from cig)
― A really interesting songwriter is Billie Eilish and her brother. (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 01:06 (two years ago) link
Is any song ever actually "written"?
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 01:07 (two years ago) link
The really important thing about this whole exchange is that it brought this fucking asshole out from under his rock:
Damon's right and I don't give a fuck.Taylor's worst-selling album (before Spotify came along and made that not much of a thing at all) was the one she wrote herself to prove she could do it and that album was immediately followed by her bringing in Max Martin to prove ____?— Tyler Mahan Coe (@TylerMahanCoe) January 25, 2022
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 01:33 (two years ago) link
who the fuck is this guy?
I replied b/c I'm bored.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 01:53 (two years ago) link
He hosts that Cocaine & Rhinestones podcast about country music that music journalists all seem to love.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 02:00 (two years ago) link
Ugh, hate to see that. I like some of that show. Meanwhile, the president-elect of Chile is a Swiftie.
Here in Chile you have a huge group of supporters who knows that you write you own songs from the heart. Dont take seriously guys that need to insult or lie to get attention. Hugs from the south Taylor— Gabriel Boric Font (@gabrielboric) January 25, 2022
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 02:02 (two years ago) link
lol Coe is an insufferable troll. The podcast rules though.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 02:11 (two years ago) link
Has Billie said anything? “Thanks but no thanks?”
― A really interesting songwriter is Billie Eilish and her brother. (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 02:12 (two years ago) link
Am I allowed to pick neither side in this?
― imago, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 09:36 (two years ago) link
you don't have to be a swift fan to admit albarn was just being wrong & dumb
― ufo, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 09:46 (two years ago) link
Oh obviously. He's been an awful cunt for so long it's hard to say if he wasn't always one
― imago, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 10:05 (two years ago) link
taytay's popular-girl 'I used to like you, but WOW. YIKES. You are SO DONE HERE' act (which is also in all her music, and her extremely extensive stan-army twitter presence) manages to grate almost as much as albarn's clueless misogyny though
― imago, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 10:15 (two years ago) link
read the rest of the interview & it's very bad and seems to be almost begging for albarn to say something stupid like this "what did you think of the beatles documentary" "what did you think of boris johnson's lockdown parties" etc
― ufo, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 10:19 (two years ago) link