Silicon Valley Techno-Utopianism

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Anyone gonna watch this? I don't know.. the founder guy looks kinda like the Night Stalker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVAESeO7dgc

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:58 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Mind Capitalism: Braindreessen Horowitz pic.twitter.com/2OxuHn8r0s

— Ed Zitron (@edzitron) May 4, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 01:37 (two years ago) link

What?

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 01:42 (two years ago) link

Okay at first I thought it was inexplicable, then I thought it was some kind of sinister prank the universe was playing on me, but now I'm just really enjoying how dumb this tweet is. Man just had a thought and tweeted it without any of the wiser parts of the brain stepping in, they were just as transfixed as the rest of us.

lukas, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 01:46 (two years ago) link

this whole basecamp thing has been amazing

mookieproof, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 13:47 (two years ago) link

It's been a case study in how to set your company on fire

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 14:03 (two years ago) link

I’m learning some leadership lessons certainly, like “don’t call in to the very sensitive all-hands from bed”

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 14:43 (two years ago) link

my grad school adviser was a huge basecamp stan so I've been following it a bit, the whole thing to me really smacks of all the white tech guys I've encountered in undergrad/grad education at tech schools—the reactionary way of dealing with these conversations is basically an across-the-board thing, especially the general "I just want to build cool shit, why do we have to talk about things that are so ambiguous and divisive? also I have not experienced white supremacy or done it so it doesn't exist."

wait, what is this thing?

sarahell, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 16:45 (two years ago) link

https://www.platformer.news/p/-how-basecamp-blew-up

mookieproof, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 16:46 (two years ago) link

if you're outside tech then they're obviously awful people just based on this story, but there's a huge amount of schadenfreude inside tech too because they've written a bunch of very strident "here's how to run a company" books.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:02 (two years ago) link

Picked this book authored by the Basecamp co-founders off of the shelf and opened it to a section I had highlighted when I first read it. 🙄 pic.twitter.com/aJHptrC8XK

— JT (@thejoshtorres) May 4, 2021

lukas, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:16 (two years ago) link

Picked this book authored by the Basecamp co-founders off of the shelf and opened it to a section I had highlighted when I first read it. 🙄 pic.twitter.com/aJHptrC8XK

— JT (@thejoshtorres) May 4, 2021

lukas, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:16 (two years ago) link

I’m learning some leadership lessons certainly, like “don’t call in to the very sensitive all-hands from bed”

I thought this had to be a joke

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:59 (two years ago) link

dan m, I think that Verge piece is exactly the same as what mookieproof posted?

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:59 (two years ago) link

weird, I assumed since it was a separate URL that it would have been different, my bad

So this kerfufle was triggered by employees posting to ilx's "Abysmal Real Names" thread?

everything, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 21:21 (two years ago) link

Feels good to not know what Basecamp does.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 21:35 (two years ago) link

^^

DJI, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 21:56 (two years ago) link

dan m, I think that Verge piece is exactly the same as what mookieproof posted?

― 80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Tuesday, May 4, 2021 1:59 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i think the author has a deal where he's allowed to post his stuff to his own site (which he sells subscriptions for) and the verge pays him to syndicate it.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 22:02 (two years ago) link

the basecamp thing is definitely one of those “we’re the good guys” scenarios where leadership was even “doing the work” by telling the employees about the books they were reading, only for the employees to say “hey, maybe we’re doing some things wrong” only for the boss to point at the “we’re the good guys” sign on the wall

mh, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 14:56 (two years ago) link

Ha otm.

I read their book about remote work when I went remote and it’s no better than any airport business book but it’s written in that y combinator style that simulates clear thinking.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 15:07 (two years ago) link

Ironically for ilx I am reading this right now https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3828902 (who was into this idea and posted about it in re: Arsenal? I can’t remember). I kind of thought it was a cult 70s thing like the whole earth catalog and chaos theory etc. bit I saw it recommended a bunch and it is at least very short so I’m giving it a shot.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 15:09 (two years ago) link

I was going to post "The Limits to Growth was a huge deal" but my supervisor is writing a book about the history of models, so I may have a pretty skewed perspective on this

rob, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 15:33 (two years ago) link

Re not knowing what they do. This talk of "building cool shit" is much funnier when you do. What a bizarre economy.

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 15:56 (two years ago) link

the line between the Whole Earth Catalog and Q running through silicon valley, the free software foundation, and gamergate is a very bright and straight one

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 15:57 (two years ago) link

someone on twitter reminded me that the guy who was canned from Google for “just asking questions” originally had @Fired4Truth as his twitter handle

this will never not be funny

mh, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 17:14 (two years ago) link

I'm asking what you think. You say it's a bad idea to hire people who say things for shock value. Presumably you mean to include Antonio, or you wouldn't have mentioned this. So are you saying that in a world of properly run companies, he should never work again?

— Paul Graham (@paulg) May 13, 2021



this entire thread is hilarious. someone tells paul graham, hey, I wouldn’t hire a guy who says crap like this. graham turns it into some sort of thought exercise, because.. you can’t just run a SV company, you have to be creating some platonic ideal of How to Run a Company

mh, Friday, 14 May 2021 12:41 (two years ago) link

I ain’t clicking through on that

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Friday, 14 May 2021 13:40 (two years ago) link

I think you can get the point without clicking. PG just being obtuse and acting like “don’t hire jerks” means that all of our best thought leaders will be unemployed

mh, Friday, 14 May 2021 13:50 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Ex-Facebook VR exec says he'll turn U.S. troops into 'invincible technomancers,' just raised $450 million https://t.co/xufDyzkh0n

— CNBC (@CNBC) June 17, 2021

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:52 (two years ago) link

"ex-facebook vr exec" doesn't really capture that guy's bio tbf

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:54 (two years ago) link

Is that the worst beard in the world?

DJI, Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:57 (two years ago) link

Indeed. I don't usually notice facial hair but that's outstandingly bad

kinder, Thursday, 17 June 2021 21:07 (two years ago) link

an acquaintance launched the public sale of his startup's crypto token, yesterday. it aims to eliminate global poverty by creating "a regenerative, bottom-up universal basic income (UBI) that can elevate all participants above the global poverty line."

"if the Torus can return $2/day to its participants (as Anatha Token), it can make poverty a disease we’ve cured"... so, peak silicon-valley optimism. it would be cool to see crypto/distributed finance eliminate poverty at any scale.

https://anatha.io/blog/token-sale
https://www.morningstar.com/news/globe-newswire/8255815/anatha-announces-its-accessible-equitable-public-token-sale-accepting-fiat-and-crypto

davey, Thursday, 17 June 2021 21:37 (two years ago) link

xpost that Facebook guy is Parker Luckey, who I interviewed once and might have been the most awkward conversation I've ever had, absolute basement boy

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 June 2021 21:40 (two years ago) link

his sister is engaged to matt gaetz.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 June 2021 21:51 (two years ago) link

the Oculus acquisition still baffles me. "we integrated the phone with the ski goggles. now we want 3 billion dollars."

butyrate humbucker bobbins (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 17 June 2021 21:57 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

India was the Y combinator of the British empire

— Daniel Tenreiro 🦧 (@TenreiroDaniel) August 5, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 6 August 2021 13:59 (two years ago) link

I know he means something stupid, let's click through and see if he clarified his thoughts at all

An outsize portion of the empire’s great talents were nurtured in the Raj. Fascinating phenomenon . . .

— Daniel Tenreiro 🦧 (@TenreiroDaniel) August 5, 2021

*screaming intensifies*

mh, Friday, 6 August 2021 14:28 (two years ago) link

the Oculus acquisition still baffles me. "we integrated the phone with the ski goggles. now we want 3 billion dollars."

I heard Zuck on the radio awhile ago, and he has big plans for VR. Facebook has never been a leader in the hardware world, and he sees this as the future; you'll go to the office in VR, maybe have lunch while in VR, then attend a 'concert' after work in VR. If that doesn't sound dystopian, I don't know what is.

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 6 August 2021 17:07 (two years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/AFDRfK0.gif

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 6 August 2021 17:11 (two years ago) link

I don't think you need to spend that money just to get into VR. Certainly none of that ip will make up zuck's horrible vr hell.

I don't think VR will ever be a real hit until they devise a blowjob machine that actually feels like a mouth to get the porn-driven mass adoption of VHS/DVD/streaming.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 6 August 2021 23:02 (two years ago) link

tragic lol @ this thread

25 years ago Microsoft released Internet Explorer 3.0, its first real salvo in the “Browser Wars”. This launch taught taught me how a giant corporation could move at the speed of a startup. Here’s the story: pic.twitter.com/ZEYcxYrUgI

— Hadi Partovi (@hadip) August 14, 2021

this bit in particular:

Sadly, there were divorces and broken families and bad things that came out of that. But I also learned that even at a 20,000-person company, you can get a team of 100 people to work like their lives depend on it.

— Hadi Partovi (@hadip) August 14, 2021

the distance between their ideology and the reality of what these people produce is astonishing / beyond parody

rob, Sunday, 15 August 2021 15:54 (two years ago) link

ah, I just noticed this dude is a director at the company that makes tasers and police drones

rob, Sunday, 15 August 2021 15:56 (two years ago) link

moving at the speed of a 100-person startup

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 15 August 2021 17:00 (two years ago) link

lol seriously

I just can't get over how this was all in service of developing a product that was indistinguishable from an already massively popular one. I want to read the breathless thread about how people wrecked their lives to put out the Zune

rob, Sunday, 15 August 2021 17:15 (two years ago) link

"yeah I worked 90 hours a week, destroyed my marriage, and didn't watch my kids grow up but hey we shipped an important product"

"ah well at least you're rich now"

"oh no, no no no, but i have the satisfaction of having made other people rich"

completely deranged

— Kat Cosgrove (@Dixie3Flatline) August 15, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 15 August 2021 23:54 (two years ago) link


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