I don't think anyone has time for On The Road anymore, and probably rightfully so, but I will confess to a certain lingering affection, memories of reading it as a teen starting to test what these Getting Drunk and Going Out things were all about.
Iris Murdoch's The Sandcastle is like a quintessential mid-century middle-class English novel, not bad for it either. My fav detail is that the loveless couple managed to find a common cause in a (dead by the time the novel starts) pet dog, but not in their children.
Hate Baron In The Trees, a maudlin piece of kitsch that for some reason gets recommended to ppl who enjoy Eco and my beloved Borges. Damn thing reads like a schlager lyric.
I haven't read the two Pagnols, but have seen the films and am pretty sure that what I loved about them comes from the novels. Tore up a little at the narrator's final statement that life is basically a series of griefs and disappointments punctuated by short bursts of happiness, but that we don't need to tell the children that.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 8 April 2021 10:44 (two years ago) link
1957 a great year for putting little guys on your book cover
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8b/Pnin.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/99/TheyreAWeirdMob.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9d/Ordealevwaughcover.jpg
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 8 April 2021 10:55 (two years ago) link
Lol I love Baron in the Trees and was specifically waiting for it to show up so I could vote for it! no accounting for taste I guess
― Mark E. Smith died this year. Or, maybe last year. (bernard snowy), Thursday, 8 April 2021 12:10 (two years ago) link
Write-in vote for Falconer's Lure by Antonia Forest.
― Lily Dale, Thursday, 8 April 2021 13:37 (two years ago) link
Two Women by Alberto MoraviaThat Awful Mess On Via Merulana by Carlo Emilio GaddaThe Fish Can Sing by Halldór LaxnessThe Birds by Tarjei VesaasThe Glass Bees by Ernst JungerLa Jalousie by Alain Robbe-Grillet
I think the one I like the most is The Fish can Sing. It's a weird novel about growing-up in a fishing village among eccentrics and erm, Iceland's most famous singer.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 April 2021 14:01 (two years ago) link
Castle To Castle by Louis-Ferdinand Céline
This is the 1st part of Celine's great last Trilogy but I'll go for Laxness.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 April 2021 14:03 (two years ago) link
To be fair part of my animosity came from getting Calvino recommended as a puzzle master and a guy who likes to play with formal elements, which is my kind of thing and which I gather he does do in other works, but it sure ain't Baron In The Trees.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 8 April 2021 14:06 (two years ago) link
The Wapshot Chronicle by John Cheever
outing myself as someone who loves both wapshot novels, even though they're just like short story sequences about a single cheever-esque family
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 April 2021 14:19 (two years ago) link
i've read on the road several times. never again, i've moved on
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 April 2021 14:20 (two years ago) link
Butor, hands down. Currently the most underrated Nouveau Roman-adjacent writer, it seems.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 8 April 2021 14:21 (two years ago) link
My choice is absolutely 100% Jealousy. The perspective completely floored me.
Not read Butor but sounds intriguing, will be going on my list.
― emil.y, Thursday, 8 April 2021 17:10 (two years ago) link
I did finally make time for On The Road a few years ago, long after I'd passed through its commonly assumed most likely demographic, and was immediately gratified by the whiff of autumn, as narrator starts by looking back on those crazy days, taking off from a barely indicated period of loss, careening through reunions with friends and others, also introducing us to people, places and things new to him, an adapted, hacked vehicle rolling by, for inst---and tripping on various jazz experiences (the latter comprising first published chunk of this book, I think): the most observational bits, even if sloshed by his excitement, as he flashes back, are the most winning, if penultimately problematic, as he and Dead have a living vision of the spiritual Mexicans, man!(Narrator's already supposedly lived and worked with Chicanos, because he *is* one, cosmically). But the ending is poignantly on the brink of more yo-yoing, as Pynchon puts in V, but the Road headz got here there everywhere and nowhere, man, first and then some. There's a conveyed, almost implicit, sense of the cost of this way of life and what a pain in the ass these hipsters can be, incl. dudes for chicks, but sorry he can't slow down that much, even now.So: best remembered of these, and remarkable and warts and all I voted for it,
― dow, Thursday, 8 April 2021 17:44 (two years ago) link
He and *Dean*
― dow, Thursday, 8 April 2021 17:45 (two years ago) link
the stronger parts of on the road in my memory are the ones where dean/cassady is really present, allowing kerouac to invade the excitability with an uncomfortable melancholy
i read it long before i was out but i also assume it's even gayer than i remember
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 April 2021 17:48 (two years ago) link
Agree on both parts of that post, though I got *some* uncomfortable melancholy from the get-go and all through. Moriarty is def the best character, which may go w observational strengths.
I remember liking City of Spades, but can't bring it into focus---would probably have voted A Death of the Family, but have only gotten as for as the beginning, which inspired a Samuel Barber composition----based on Let Us Now Praise Famous Men, his screenplay for Night of the Hunter and Agee on Film (incl. all those New Republic reviews young Jack might have read, while smoking some Krupa between or instead of classes at Columbia), he seems like a smarter, more talented, and even more of a boldly page-roving Kerouac--in the same family, that is).
― dow, Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:04 (two years ago) link
Maybe Agee was more of an on-track Kerouac---it's hard to say how smart and talented Jack really was; so much has been published since his death, not to mention alll those previous books, that I can't really evaluate him, but was especially struck by some early, elegiac, elegant, no BS diary passages in The New Yorker however many years ago it was, from long before he seemed to be writing for an audience, although in OTR he still seemed to e thinking out loud, talking to a single visitor.
― dow, Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:15 (two years ago) link
(Diary passages among the posthumous publications, that is.)
― dow, Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:17 (two years ago) link
Going from this to the just-revived Roky Erickson thread, was struck by all of thee lyrics these are from, while flashing back to the OTR reading experience:
Twice born gypsies care and keepThe nowhere of their former homeThey slip inside this house as they pass by.Slip inside this house as you pass by.You think you can't, you wish you couldI know you can, I wish you wouldSlip inside this house as you pass by.Four and twenty birds of MayaBaked into an atom youPolarized into existenceMagnet heart from red to blueTo such extent the realm of darkWithin the picture it seems trueBut slip inside this house and then decide.The center of this house will never die.There is no season when you are grownYou are always risen from the seeds you've sownThere is no reason to rise aloneOther stories given have sages of their own.Draw from the well of unchanginghree-eyed men are not complaining.They can yo-yo where they willThey slip inside this house as they pass by.Don't pass it by.
― dow, Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:37 (two years ago) link
Spark hit her stride in The Comforters and started off on a long series of delightful, acerbic, masterly novels. It's my favorite on this list.
― Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:42 (two years ago) link
What did she publish before The Comforters?
― It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 April 2021 21:10 (two years ago) link
From wikipedia: "Spark began writing seriously, under her married name, after World War II, beginning with poetry and literary criticism. In 1947 she became editor of the Poetry Review."
The Comforters was her first novel. iirc, she got some assistance in finding a publisher for it from Graham Greene.
― sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Friday, 9 April 2021 20:50 (two years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Sunday, 11 April 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
― Mark E. Smith died this year. Or, maybe last year. (bernard snowy)
yup, this. next contender would be On The Road but the Calvino is perfect.
― "Gaspar? No way." (sleeve), Sunday, 11 April 2021 00:12 (two years ago) link
in fact I would argue that the Calvino novel is a prescient vision of ecodefense:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Butterfly_Hill
― "Gaspar? No way." (sleeve), Sunday, 11 April 2021 00:18 (two years ago) link
I feel I should put in a good word for Pnin before the poll closes. Lolita & Pale Fire tend to get most of the attention, but having re-read Pnin recently (after Galya Dinant's great Pniniad) it really is wonderful, maybe Nabokov's most touching. I just have to remember poor Pnin's "I haf nofing left, nofing, nofing", or him booting the football away when he thinks his son wouldn't want the gift, or that shocking scene remembering his dead fiancé just when he's in a state of well-being - and it gets to me.
And how about this - just the other day I was trying to remember where it was from, but of course it could only be Nabokov. After Pnin has been disappointed in meeting his ex-wife to find she only wants a little money:
'Incidentally,' she said ... 'you know, Timofey, this brown suit of yours is a mistake: a gentleman does not wear brown'.He saw her off, and walked back through the park. To hold her, to keep her - just as she was - with her cruelty, with her vulgarity, with her blinding blue eyes ... All of a sudden he thought: If people are reunited in Heaven (I don't believe it, but suppose), then how shall I stop it from creeping upon me, over me, that shriveled, helpless, lame thing, her soul?He seemed to be quite unexpectedly (for human despair seldom leads to great truths) on the verge of a simple solution ... but was interrupted by an urgent request. A squirrel ... the intelligent animal had climbed up to the brim of a drinking fountain and, as Pnin approached, thrust its oval face ... Pnin understood ... eyeing him with contempt, the thirsty rodent ... went on drinking for a considerable time. 'She has fever, perhaps,' thought Pnin, weeping quietly and freely and all the time politely pressing the contraption.
He saw her off, and walked back through the park. To hold her, to keep her - just as she was - with her cruelty, with her vulgarity, with her blinding blue eyes ... All of a sudden he thought: If people are reunited in Heaven (I don't believe it, but suppose), then how shall I stop it from creeping upon me, over me, that shriveled, helpless, lame thing, her soul?
He seemed to be quite unexpectedly (for human despair seldom leads to great truths) on the verge of a simple solution ... but was interrupted by an urgent request. A squirrel ... the intelligent animal had climbed up to the brim of a drinking fountain and, as Pnin approached, thrust its oval face ... Pnin understood ... eyeing him with contempt, the thirsty rodent ... went on drinking for a considerable time. 'She has fever, perhaps,' thought Pnin, weeping quietly and freely and all the time politely pressing the contraption.
― JifMoose, Sunday, 11 April 2021 16:12 (two years ago) link
I should vote for the Calvino, could go for Angel, though it's second-tier Elizabeth Taylor, but I'm feeling sentimental so will chuck a vote to On the Road.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Sunday, 11 April 2021 19:56 (two years ago) link
Pnin quote is amazing, thanks!
― dow, Sunday, 11 April 2021 20:04 (two years ago) link
There were some other contenders but ultimately Pnin got my vote.
― It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 April 2021 22:00 (two years ago) link
I don’t wanna be a Pniniad no more.
― It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 April 2021 22:05 (two years ago) link
Have hardly read anything on this list, not even On the Road. The Glass Bees looked fascinating based on the description and seemed to always be on the verge of becoming interesting but bored me throughout. Would write in Moominland Midwinter.
― JoeStork, Sunday, 11 April 2021 22:40 (two years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Monday, 12 April 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
The only ones I've read are "On the Road" and "The Fish Can Sing". I still have fond memories of reading "On the Road" though it seems to be a bit out of fashion these days.
― o. nate, Monday, 12 April 2021 01:21 (two years ago) link
I would have voted for Moominland Midwinter, shoutout to JoeStork there
― "Gaspar? No way." (sleeve), Monday, 12 April 2021 01:43 (two years ago) link
good top four
― Brad C., Monday, 12 April 2021 01:52 (two years ago) link
slightly surprised the wyndham got nothing.
― koogs, Monday, 12 April 2021 05:47 (two years ago) link
The moomins omission is 100% wikipedia's fault - if it had been on their list you better believe I'd have included it and voted for it too.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 12 April 2021 09:42 (two years ago) link
Wherein We Elect Our Favourite Novels of 1958
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 12 April 2021 10:28 (two years ago) link
Maybe I should have voted for The Glass Bees instead of Pnin to mix it up. But I couldn't, not really.
― It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 02:24 (two years ago) link