Damn, that cancel culture must have got him. He’ll be ruined
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 19:20 (three years ago) link
Truly an honour to be alive to see public intellectuals discuss the most urgent philosophical questions of our time.
"...Lois Lane had no interest in Clark Kent, but she fell in love with Superman... she wanted Superman to be able to cry and express emotions. But the man who did cry, express emotions and feelings and was sensitive, Clark Kent, she has zero interest in." - @drwarrenfarrell pic.twitter.com/C38RSGF90w— Dr Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) August 20, 2021
― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 22 August 2021 11:49 (two years ago) link
hey, the lads know their target audience
― Tumbledown Duck (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 August 2021 11:54 (two years ago) link
I'm always saddened to learn that he's survived the latest threat to his weak and unmanly life force.
― Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Sunday, 22 August 2021 12:06 (two years ago) link
I assumed I'd regret clicking play on that, but watching Letterkenny has finally made this dude pontificating about trivia in that voice completely comedic
― rob, Sunday, 22 August 2021 13:40 (two years ago) link
Ait-Nourri would make stuff interesting tho
― Tumbledown Duck (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 August 2021 13:41 (two years ago) link
Ignore that post, right wing scumbag fans
― Tumbledown Duck (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 August 2021 13:42 (two years ago) link
not clicking on that, peterson is an embarrassment for the entire species, but Clark Kent was never sensitive or open about his emotions. He's a weird, nice provincial guy who's definitely holding something back. Duplicity can be a "turn off", but I doubt incel ideology can deal with that (comic book) insight.
― g simmel, Sunday, 22 August 2021 14:31 (two years ago) link
good point, but also why would we consult a generic idea of ~Superman~ for insights into gender roles, what a numbskull
― rob, Sunday, 22 August 2021 14:43 (two years ago) link
of course. I was just saying that even in a nightmare world where dumbasses use old sexist children's stories to explain the world, they are still dumber than those stories.
― g simmel, Sunday, 22 August 2021 14:47 (two years ago) link
otm
― rob, Sunday, 22 August 2021 15:01 (two years ago) link
Interpreting myths to understand our culture is obviously an idea with a rich history esp through anthropology/psychoanalysis but I'm not sure "Lois really wanted a chad" is it
― plax (ico), Sunday, 22 August 2021 15:59 (two years ago) link
I'm not in principle opposed to analyzing superhero stories in that way, but we know who authored Superman stories—unlike ancient myths—so it's just fatuous to me to ignore that ~95% of those authors were men (from a specific place and time) while claiming the stories tell us "what women want" rather than what men insist on women wanting.
I don't really know enough about, e.g., Jungianism to blanket dismiss it, but whenever I encounter these popular uses of it, it's always so much horseshit
― rob, Sunday, 22 August 2021 16:14 (two years ago) link
I'm reading Merve Emre's history of Myers-Briggs and Jung seems to appeal to dangerously bad thinkers
― rob, Sunday, 22 August 2021 16:15 (two years ago) link
I would like to see* Peterson’s thoughts on the Mallrats Superman/Lois discussion.
*not really
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Sunday, 22 August 2021 16:19 (two years ago) link
Man of Steel, Woman of Clean Your Room
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 22 August 2021 17:15 (two years ago) link
so it's just fatuous to me to ignore that ~95% of those authors were men (from a specific place and time) while claiming the stories tell us "what women want" rather than what men insist on women wanting.
there is a dizzyingly tight circularity you see a lot: "you say X is merely enforced by social convention, but in fact it is an essential and immutable truth of biology, as evidenced by this series of observations that it's enforced by social convention"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 22 August 2021 17:17 (two years ago) link
Clark Kent was never sensitive or open about his emotions. He's a weird, nice provincial guy who's definitely holding something back. Duplicity can be a "turn off", but I doubt incel ideology can deal with that (comic book) insight.― g simmel, Sunday, August 22, 2021 10:31 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― g simmel, Sunday, August 22, 2021 10:31 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
This is otm.
I think you can learn more about cultural attitudes, even maybe hidden ones, from studying different forms of media. The big issue here is that Peterson has misread Superman.
― treeship., Sunday, 22 August 2021 17:19 (two years ago) link
But yeah, I also agree that universal human truths are unlikely to be seen in Superman. What you are going to find is a window onto how the creators of Superman saw the world.
― treeship., Sunday, 22 August 2021 17:20 (two years ago) link
I think you can learn more about cultural attitudes, even maybe hidden ones, from studying different forms of media.
absolutely, I'm overstating things a little because this guy gets on my nerves so bad. But going back to the original tweet, what's so pernicious—beyond g simmel's insight about the actual texts in question—is the idea that we can ignore what women consciously articulate as their preferences & attitudes, because we know from Superman that they secretly have other ones. And these true desires, o happy world!, overlap completely with traditional white western masculinity
― rob, Sunday, 22 August 2021 17:31 (two years ago) link
What you are going to find is a window onto how the creators of Superman saw the world.no, you are going to find a window into how an abusive freak with a deep terror of his own body and id interpreted the whims of children in his neighborhood of whom he asked yes/no questions about gorillas, and through that filter gave orders to the authors
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 22 August 2021 17:35 (two years ago) link
does he even know that superman isn't a man. maybe "women" just prefer aliens to men (or aliens disguised as them)
― Left, Sunday, 22 August 2021 18:00 (two years ago) link
obviously this abusers' logic among other awful things
― Left, Sunday, 22 August 2021 18:03 (two years ago) link
Peterson has misread Superman.
I greatly doubt if Jordan Peterson has any knowledge of Superman, other than knowing the main characters' names and a smattering of vague impressions. It's not like he is writing a thesis on this subject. He's just lazily pontificating, like always.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Sunday, 22 August 2021 18:08 (two years ago) link
I don't know about that. He brings Superman up kind of a lot
― rob, Sunday, 22 August 2021 18:14 (two years ago) link
Does he demonstrate any deeper knowledge than I indicated? I haven't read any Superman comics for 55 years and even I know that Clark Kent never cried in them and wasn't given to expressing his emotions. He was, to coin a phrase "mild-mannered", not weepy.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Sunday, 22 August 2021 18:32 (two years ago) link
same difference he’s just a beta cuck who chicks will always pass over for his chad alter ego
― Left, Sunday, 22 August 2021 19:53 (two years ago) link
I feel like JP's read neglects to remember who actually created Superman, and what it means for the woman to reject the repressed uptight Kansas Protestant type in favor of the man who proudly announces himself as a representative of an older and wiser, albeit slightly alien, race
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 22 August 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link
― Hitsville Ukase (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 August 2021 20:05 (two years ago) link
― Hitsville Ukase (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 August 2021 20:10 (two years ago) link
Jung was a more erudite, more insightful proponent of the same spiritualist impulses that drove the rise of theosophy and made heroes of wilhelm reich and gurdjieff. compared to much older traditions like Buddhism, Carl's just a babe in the woods.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Sunday, 22 August 2021 20:16 (two years ago) link
I have had my eye on that book to add to my giant pile of To Read, is it any good? Also I am somewhat interested in Jung myself but, oh wait.
― Hitsville Ukase (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, August 22, 2021 4:05 PM (one hour ago)
Haha sorry no offense!
The Personality Brokers is good, though it's turning out to be more straightforwardly biographical than I expected, at least at the halfway mark. The subject is relevant to my phd research (as historical background), but it's a pretty breezy summer read on that scale. If I didn't occasionally feel obliged to take notes on it, I probably could have whipped through it in a few days
― rob, Sunday, 22 August 2021 21:28 (two years ago) link
If you're not aware of how Jungianism is bullshit, Cass Eris has an hour-long youtube video on Jung, and she's taught Jung to students in introductory university classes. She also spends way too much time and effort breaking down Peterson's crap. I've heard that Richard Noll's The Jung Cult is the book to read if you need more.
― adam t. (abanana), Sunday, 22 August 2021 22:44 (two years ago) link
Interesting, thanks!
― Hitsville Ukase (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 August 2021 14:38 (two years ago) link
Leading UK establishment newspaper (nicknamed the Torygraph) gives platform to clownish dumbass - mind you, they helped one end up as PM.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/jordan-peterson-collapse-values-greater-threat-climate-change/
― Are You Still in Love With Me, Klas-Göran? (Tom D.), Monday, 27 September 2021 13:28 (two years ago) link
saw this screenshotted a bunch and assumed it was fake but apparently not, lmao
Come and say that to my face and we'll see who needs a benzo, bucko. https://t.co/OnJnkFPC5P— Dr Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) November 17, 2021
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 22:31 (two years ago) link
damn I also thought that was fake loooool
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 17 November 2021 23:05 (two years ago) link
Swapped the bentos out for roid rage, it seems.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 17 November 2021 23:09 (two years ago) link
benzos, fuck
Tempers getting frayed.
https://assets.sainsburys-groceries.co.uk/gol/7797210/1/640x640.jpg
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 November 2021 23:14 (two years ago) link
He’s ornery he didn’t get a spot at U of Austin
― caddy lac brougham? (will), Wednesday, 17 November 2021 23:30 (two years ago) link
Looks like someone's getting CRABBY
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Thursday, 18 November 2021 00:59 (two years ago) link
He's on Question Time this week, apparently
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Thursday, 18 November 2021 14:36 (two years ago) link
ffs
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 November 2021 14:49 (two years ago) link
with Stella Creasy adding some left-wing balance to the panel as well.
― calzino, Thursday, 18 November 2021 15:04 (two years ago) link
He's been on before, of course, but that was before he became a standing joke. Privatize the BBC now.
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 November 2021 15:08 (two years ago) link
can someone explain what the heck any of this even means or am I better off not knowing?
This is a guy who has been throwing one big temper tantrum ever since someone asked him to use their preferred pronouns. He just keeps getting angrier and weirder. These levels of cope have never been seen before. Unprecedented. pic.twitter.com/7GCovnh0yS— Jort-Michel Connard 🐘 (@torriangray) February 3, 2022
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 3 February 2022 16:26 (two years ago) link
I assume "wordcel" means someone who cares about pronouns? god, I have no idea with this guy. half the tweets/quotes I see from him these guys are so over-the-top weird that I assume they're fake. but they're not. and yet people I work with still quote him.
― frogbs, Thursday, 3 February 2022 16:31 (two years ago) link
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cultures/wordcel
Wordcel is a slang term derived from incel used to define someone who has high verbal intelligence and is "good with words" but feels inadequately compensated for their skill, the "cel" suffix denoting frustration over being denied something they feel they deserve. The term rose in popularity in early 2022 along with the related term "numbercel," also called "mathcel" or "shape rotator," used to define someone with high command in a technical STEM field but feels they deserve more respect for it. Wordcels and numbercels are often portrayed as rivals.
For fuck's sake.
― peace, man, Thursday, 3 February 2022 16:33 (two years ago) link
so "inadequately compensated" means "can't get laid" right? these are variants on incel but with certain supposed specializations? and now they are fighting it out against each other?
also, I like how frogbs interpretation, while not correct, seemed utterly plausible too
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 3 February 2022 16:39 (two years ago) link