Fandoms: classic or dud

I am not an outsider to fandoms and my very first internet interactions were in this slice of the internet, but Emily is right, not really the best forum for it here. The sneering every time this topic comes up is enough to dissuade.

lol I just scrolled up and read the third post and initial instinct correct, absolutely not.

Both those tweets are threads

toxic fandom is obviously a thing, but it's not the only thing. There's also a lot of community and creativity that is easy to see if you're willing to look.

I'd be really interested to hear your perspective, gyac, but yeah, no pressure to do so if you don't feel good about getting into it here.

I’m not really sure where to start Emily but the posts above are so alien to my experience that we might as well be talking about different things.

I still see plenty of fan art and even occasionally seek it out. I stopped doing it myself a long time ago because I realized I didn't enjoy it, wasn't fulfilling and it was mostly motivated by chasing popularity.

A few months ago I was joking about people wanting a revival of kids films that humiliated villains (the live action 101 Dalmations, Beethoven and Home Alone in particular), and this week I've discovered some people indeed can't get enough of that and seek it out and create stories and images of this kind of thing.

Get a load of these categories
https://femalevillains.fandom.com/wiki/Category_Keywords

Also: there doesn't seem to be widespread agreement over which fan communities count as fandom and what the defining limits of fanfiction are. Some people insist religious or historical fiction and art is part of it.

I don't get why sports affinity groups don't count as fandoms

The harassment Tamsyn Muir got was worrying. I don't know if that would have happened if she didn't have fanfiction roots or if a certain segment of SFF readers are just that bad. They weren't puppygaters either.

Why does a Jojo fan artist get eaten alive for things Hirohiki Araki doesn't get any kind of backlash for?

Have reconsidered and taking both my and Emily’s caveats as given, will give you some context?

The very first time I was on the internet unsupervised, I ended up on a Vampire Chronicles fansite and it hosted fic. I was fascinated by the very concept, but it wasn’t til i had my own laptop years later that I actually went and looked into it a bit more. Once I understood the concept of shipping, I understood why my friend and I were so keen to see Mulder and Scully get together when we watched the X-Files (this was me at ten, what can I say? I have clearly always been one of those people). So basically this post covers all of the things I’ve been interested in over the years, mainly through the medium of fic, though I game a bit as well and know people through that. I don’t consider that the same as what this post was asking though.

Anyway have been involved and not over years, les rather than more as time goes on. One of the biggest misconceptions ime is that people involved are young or teenagers - this was never the case when I first got involved and has never remained so either. People are just quieter about it, and the people who tend to have the most time to tweet/hang out the most on discords etc are younger. There are lots of academics and professional people in fandom, occasionally I’ll see one of them on twitter with a blue tick or something and boggle cos I know of them from their other context. It is also largely female, which is something that has been really good to be in especially when you’re young and on the internet without knowing shit about anything.

A lot of the shit that goes on re shipping wars is just people jockeying for position/jealous of other people - in other words, the same shit that goes on everywhere, it’s just in a medium that people find both unfamiliar and unworthy of respect.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Things I like: the sense of community, the gift economy. The latter has waned a lot since tumblr became the fandom hub of choice and loads of people started charging for fic (art has almost always operated on a commission basis and a couple of my friends do pretty well from that when they feel like it). However, it still goes on regardless and stuff like fic exchanges are maybe the best example. I have followed Yuletide on and off for years, which is for small and rare fandoms, and people willingly sign up and write stories for strangers based on their requests, sometimes several of them. A few years back I beta read something my friend wrote for this and seeing behind the scenes when someone is writing to spec like that is really interesting. A lot of thought and care went into that story (and her recip loved it).

What I don’t like: the obvious, people taking it much too seriously, but also the way it is covered because a lot of that coverage is misogynistic if we’re talking about fic fandom or just ignorant. Nobody is obliged to think it’s anything more than a silly hobby, but it is notable how much venom you still see out there, and it’s not something I ever discuss with people irl unless, ofc, that is how I know them.

I’m not sure I’ve really explained that very well but tl;dr, if (God forbid) you want any of that explained lmk.

Good post! I had figured that despite having been a thing for a long time it was mostly younger people who were active in fandom communities (like it was a thing you aged out of, maybe?), but I guess it makes sense that they're merely louder.

It probably varies a lot but I've heard that in a few online fan communities the age differences creates a really uncomfortable dynamic, example often given is My Little Pony sites with 40 year old men dominating and shouting down actual children. I would think that Pokemon would have a varied enough fanbase that that wouldn't happen.

When I seen all the Thief Of Baghdad fanfiction on ArchiveOfOurOwn I was wondering how much of this is from pre-internet from the mail order days of fanfiction.