The Jordan Peterson Thread

I for one am shocked that jordan peterson RTd an article about jordan peterson

honestly I'd be more convinced that he was actually mad if he just said "no comment"

The guy made his bones bitching about Disney content and now he is Disney content. That's a move up!

You are giving him too much credit imo

he's a dramatic guy and he likes it when people misrepresent him because it gives him something to complain about. the opportunity to beef with tnc is something he'd definitely relish. simon otm.

I did see him recently responding on Twitter to a critical (though not fully negative) review with “Why do you hate me?” I don’t think he handles criticism too well.

'beef'

You are giving him too much credit imo

remember "dark enlightenment"? these assholes love to be seen as renegades and villains by the culture they claim is an immoral and corrupting influence

I think I misunderstood what Simon meant by "flattered"?

I mean yeah of course he's seizing the opportunity to frame the hysterical left as thinking that being told to clean their rooms and not lie is equivalent to perpetuating the holocaust

but he's communicating that response via a tone of pompous indignation

anyway whatever, fuck this asshole forever

pete wentz on JP's ideology/outlook:

I don't care what you think
As long as it's about me

exactly.

To be fair, we all have been thinking about him way too much.

Was just about to say (guilty as charged).

His new book got to #10 on the usa today list, but it's falling off fast. His previous book got to #2 and is still on the list.

Damn, that cancel culture must have got him. He’ll be ruined

Truly an honour to be alive to see public intellectuals discuss the most urgent philosophical questions of our time.

"...Lois Lane had no interest in Clark Kent, but she fell in love with Superman... she wanted Superman to be able to cry and express emotions. But the man who did cry, express emotions and feelings and was sensitive, Clark Kent, she has zero interest in." - @drwarrenfarrell pic.twitter.com/C38RSGF90w

— Dr Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) August 20, 2021

hey, the lads know their target audience

I'm always saddened to learn that he's survived the latest threat to his weak and unmanly life force.

I assumed I'd regret clicking play on that, but watching Letterkenny has finally made this dude pontificating about trivia in that voice completely comedic

Ait-Nourri would make stuff interesting tho

Ignore that post, right wing scumbag fans

not clicking on that, peterson is an embarrassment for the entire species, but Clark Kent was never sensitive or open about his emotions. He's a weird, nice provincial guy who's definitely holding something back. Duplicity can be a "turn off", but I doubt incel ideology can deal with that (comic book) insight.

good point, but also why would we consult a generic idea of ~Superman~ for insights into gender roles, what a numbskull

of course. I was just saying that even in a nightmare world where dumbasses use old sexist children's stories to explain the world, they are still dumber than those stories.

otm

Interpreting myths to understand our culture is obviously an idea with a rich history esp through anthropology/psychoanalysis but I'm not sure "Lois really wanted a chad" is it

I'm not in principle opposed to analyzing superhero stories in that way, but we know who authored Superman stories—unlike ancient myths—so it's just fatuous to me to ignore that ~95% of those authors were men (from a specific place and time) while claiming the stories tell us "what women want" rather than what men insist on women wanting.

I don't really know enough about, e.g., Jungianism to blanket dismiss it, but whenever I encounter these popular uses of it, it's always so much horseshit

I'm reading Merve Emre's history of Myers-Briggs and Jung seems to appeal to dangerously bad thinkers

I would like to see* Peterson’s thoughts on the Mallrats Superman/Lois discussion.

*not really

Man of Steel, Woman of Clean Your Room

so it's just fatuous to me to ignore that ~95% of those authors were men (from a specific place and time) while claiming the stories tell us "what women want" rather than what men insist on women wanting.

there is a dizzyingly tight circularity you see a lot: "you say X is merely enforced by social convention, but in fact it is an essential and immutable truth of biology, as evidenced by this series of observations that it's enforced by social convention"

Clark Kent was never sensitive or open about his emotions. He's a weird, nice provincial guy who's definitely holding something back. Duplicity can be a "turn off", but I doubt incel ideology can deal with that (comic book) insight.

― g simmel, Sunday, August 22, 2021 10:31 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is otm.

I think you can learn more about cultural attitudes, even maybe hidden ones, from studying different forms of media. The big issue here is that Peterson has misread Superman.

But yeah, I also agree that universal human truths are unlikely to be seen in Superman. What you are going to find is a window onto how the creators of Superman saw the world.

I think you can learn more about cultural attitudes, even maybe hidden ones, from studying different forms of media.

absolutely, I'm overstating things a little because this guy gets on my nerves so bad. But going back to the original tweet, what's so pernicious—beyond g simmel's insight about the actual texts in question—is the idea that we can ignore what women consciously articulate as their preferences & attitudes, because we know from Superman that they secretly have other ones. And these true desires, o happy world!, overlap completely with traditional white western masculinity

What you are going to find is a window onto how the creators of Superman saw the world.

no, you are going to find a window into how an abusive freak with a deep terror of his own body and id interpreted the whims of children in his neighborhood of whom he asked yes/no questions about gorillas, and through that filter gave orders to the authors

does he even know that superman isn't a man. maybe "women" just prefer aliens to men (or aliens disguised as them)

obviously this abusers' logic among other awful things

Peterson has misread Superman.

I greatly doubt if Jordan Peterson has any knowledge of Superman, other than knowing the main characters' names and a smattering of vague impressions. It's not like he is writing a thesis on this subject. He's just lazily pontificating, like always.

I don't know about that. He brings Superman up kind of a lot

Does he demonstrate any deeper knowledge than I indicated? I haven't read any Superman comics for 55 years and even I know that Clark Kent never cried in them and wasn't given to expressing his emotions. He was, to coin a phrase "mild-mannered", not weepy.

same difference he’s just a beta cuck who chicks will always pass over for his chad alter ego

I feel like JP's read neglects to remember who actually created Superman, and what it means for the woman to reject the repressed uptight Kansas Protestant type in favor of the man who proudly announces himself as a representative of an older and wiser, albeit slightly alien, race

I'm reading Merve Emre's history of Myers-Briggs and Jung seems to appeal to dangerously bad thinkers

Man of Steel, Woman of Clean Your Room

Jung was a more erudite, more insightful proponent of the same spiritualist impulses that drove the rise of theosophy and made heroes of wilhelm reich and gurdjieff. compared to much older traditions like Buddhism, Carl's just a babe in the woods.

I have had my eye on that book to add to my giant pile of To Read, is it any good? Also I am somewhat interested in Jung myself but, oh wait.

― Hitsville Ukase (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, August 22, 2021 4:05 PM (one hour ago)

Haha sorry no offense!

The Personality Brokers is good, though it's turning out to be more straightforwardly biographical than I expected, at least at the halfway mark. The subject is relevant to my phd research (as historical background), but it's a pretty breezy summer read on that scale. If I didn't occasionally feel obliged to take notes on it, I probably could have whipped through it in a few days

If you're not aware of how Jungianism is bullshit, Cass Eris has an hour-long youtube video on Jung, and she's taught Jung to students in introductory university classes. She also spends way too much time and effort breaking down Peterson's crap. I've heard that Richard Noll's The Jung Cult is the book to read if you need more.

Interesting, thanks!