Technological/practical "backward steps" we all just accept now

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I have a little app on my phone called AppMgr which easily transfers apps from internal storage to SD card. Might be worth a look in your case, although it will of course only transfer those apps which are able to be transferred.

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 07:56 (three years ago) link

mookie I was in the exact same position with the memory card etc and it is really annoying. I ended up dropping and destroying my phone and having to get a new one (not the latest model obv) and I hate how I'm almost glad I had a reason to as everything works much better on the new phone. It was the apps clogging up my old phone and it's not like I even use that many.

kinder, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 08:33 (three years ago) link

what do you even keep on your phones that take up so much space?

most of my basic apps fill up the cache with hundreds of megabytes of data, some of the worst offenders (twitter, chrome, instagram) also somehow store hundreds of megabytes of personal data and if you clear it you get logged out and lose all your saved settings.

Computers I can live with, I even dried them in the oven (ledge), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 09:33 (three years ago) link

Spotify regularly takes up 1GB of space on my son's phone, it's insane

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 10:29 (three years ago) link

Yep if you download eg spotify playlists to phone that will add up

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 10:37 (three years ago) link

he does no downloading! it makes no sense!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 10:37 (three years ago) link

My phone storage

20gb system

20gb apps- mainly podcasts and music in case of offline

I could farm a lot of that latter out to sd card but tbh i like not having to bother anymore

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 10:41 (three years ago) link

xp spotify is for my purposes a wonderful thing but i swear as an app it behaves terrifically badly ito commandeering storage and eg just not responding when you open it for the first time in a while because its decided it has shit it would rather do

Luckily i mainly just have it installed on speakers and never actually open it on the phone these days

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 10:43 (three years ago) link

instagram: application 110mb, data 158mb, cache 109mb. guardian app 66mb, data 72mb, cache 69mb. youtube app 179mb, data 82mb, cache 77mb. chrome app 124mb, data 268mb (!!), cache 184mb.

app sizes seem excessive, wish you could restrict the caching somehow, but the 'data' is ridiculous.

Computers I can live with, I even dried them in the oven (ledge), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 10:48 (three years ago) link

Android successive versions have taken a lot of control away from the user across all of this but as noted there are apps that do an ok job of cleaning selectively

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 10:49 (three years ago) link

Just cleared 8gb of podcasts to sd card so ty thread

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 11:24 (three years ago) link

my phone provider recently upgraded me to an L4 that has 64gb. I will have barely got a quarter into that by the time they start offering me a new one.

calzino, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 11:31 (three years ago) link

one of the worst features of recent android: no button to clear all app caches. like, why the fuck not?

spotify's storage offenses are infamous. amazing that after all this time it STILL doesn't really remove downloads when you tell it to "remove downloads." eventually, you gotta uninstall, reboot, and reinstall. madness.

sgt. pepper's one-and-only bobo honkin' band (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 12:23 (three years ago) link

I think every Android phone I've had has come preloaded with a Samsung 'virtual assistant' bollocks (current one: "Bixby") that seems to exist solely for me to accidentally activate it, swear at it, vow to remove it any way I can, then forget until next time. Maybe I should start training myself up to do something useful when I do it, like drink some water or do a yoga move, until I become conditioned.

kinder, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 12:39 (three years ago) link

checked my apps, the one taking up the most space is wechat at 3.2gb.

Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 12:50 (three years ago) link

Recently got my first Samsung and I think Bixby is disabled. I had to check options in like 10 different menus and would not know how to tell anyone to turn it off. This is the kind of crap I spend an hour or three doing on a new phone. And despite that I still found after a few days that I was using some kind of Samsung backup feature. Turned it off and hit the button to delete whatever was backed up to their servers but uh.... yeesh

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 13:23 (three years ago) link

lol it's this type of stuff re android that made me switch to an iPhone -- it still has that "storage Other" problem with cached crap that you have to do "special Apple magic" to get rid of.

also, damn y'all, Spotify sucks and rips off artists. No sympathy there.

sarahell, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:24 (three years ago) link

I have to use the Smart Switch app on my iMac to move data over from the Samsung.

And every time, this little window pops up: "Ready to transfer your iTunes files over to your Android?"

That question constantly ranks first as the (1.) Most tone-deaf, (2.) Answer unlikely to change, and quite possibly (3.) Overly-repeated that I get regularly asked.

pplains, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:34 (three years ago) link

hahahah I have an iPhone & windows 10 -- I am sure there are a bunch of redundant cloud things that are in multiple places that I will eventually have to get annoyed by.

sarahell, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:43 (three years ago) link

just saw a QR code on a tv advert

(etoro? some trading site)

koogs, Friday, 9 April 2021 13:11 (three years ago) link

Last time we drove to Michigan, I saw three billboards that were basically just giant QR codes with only the name of the company beneath. One was for a brewery, but I forgot the other two. Presumably, even at highway speeds, those still work?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 9 April 2021 13:42 (three years ago) link

Glad to see those companies are big supporters of highway safety.

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 13:49 (three years ago) link

xp the ongoing lack of progress of the investigation into the death of her daughter iirc

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Friday, 9 April 2021 13:52 (three years ago) link

security reorganisation on online bank account taht means paying regular bills has become a convoluted chore. Have to eneter and reenter codes to get payment transacted. Maybe it means taht there is less likelihood of having the account hacked but it just seems totally time consuming. NOt sure if having a much newer phone so I had teh app itself would make things easier.
I always thought of my desktop as my main computer interface and phone as secondary. Is taht like totally outdated?

Stevolende, Friday, 9 April 2021 15:11 (three years ago) link

logging into my bank needs a security code generated by the banking app on my phone. i wonder if they thought this through?

koogs, Friday, 9 April 2021 16:45 (three years ago) link

I'd guess they did; isn't this in addition to a password that should ideally only exist inside your head?

IANAE on this, but I think I've seen it described thus: Login (or whatever) should depend on data points from two out of the three following types: something you are, something you know, something you own/can access. In the first group are e.g. fingerprints or iris patterns, in the second groups are passwords, in the final group are e.g. phone authenticators. The idea (if I have understood this) is that compromising one of these is not enough to immediately compromise the entire thing.

anatol_merklich, Friday, 9 April 2021 16:52 (three years ago) link

Ah maybe I see what you get at: if your login is on the phone, then the password may also be remembered on the same device, so the independence is broken. Yeah, I guess that is a weakness.

anatol_merklich, Friday, 9 April 2021 16:54 (three years ago) link

a problem mitigated if you have some sort of code for getting into your phone at all, obv

anatol_merklich, Friday, 9 April 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link

drifting off topic, but: has there been any kind of paradigm shift in relation to "security questions"? i feel like half the ones i'm ever asked to fill out are things that conceivably could be learned by a reasonably determined identity thief. i guess they could deter some casual hacker with a password-generating machine or something.

sgt. pepper's one-and-only bobo honkin' band (Doctor Casino), Friday, 9 April 2021 17:00 (three years ago) link

xp Every time I log into my work email, Microsoft insists on a sending a security code to my phone, no matter how many times I check the little box that says "please don't do this for the next thirty days." What's the point of having the check box if it doesn't work?

Lily Dale, Friday, 9 April 2021 17:03 (three years ago) link

You have to make sure to check only the boxes with bicycles in them i think

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Friday, 9 April 2021 17:03 (three years ago) link

the phone generates a one-time password after i've entered my bank id and password. the (secure) password is stored in my password app behind a less secure password, but the phone also has a swipe pattern and/or fingerprint protecting it.

this generated password lets me log into bank's web page along with my bank id and my security question answer.

and if i want to send anyone money then i also need to generate a transaction id using the bank app on the phone.

(i'm more worried about needing a phone in order to access bank website. what if i lose it?)

koogs, Friday, 9 April 2021 17:09 (three years ago) link

If I lost my phone, I would certainly need to jump through some hoops to get to my online bank yeah. (I guess I have a backup solution in the form of a digital code generator in a closet somewhere, but I doubt I'd remember the associated password/PIN needed with that one.) I'm assuming (read: hoping) this is a common enough occurrence that it is one of the areas where actual human customer support at the bank hasn't totally atrophied.

anatol_merklich, Friday, 9 April 2021 17:28 (three years ago) link

I had a little generator fob but it died without warning the day my rent was due* and installing the app was the only timely alternative

(* Probably not that exact day - I only used it once a month, could've been any time in the previous 30 days)

koogs, Friday, 9 April 2021 20:57 (three years ago) link

I am averse to fingerprint protection/login stuff because of all the tv and movies over the past few decades where they just cut the person's finger or hand off and use it to access the secret vault or door or what-have-you. I am sure this is just a sign that I am a truly damaged person, and that very few other people think about how this technological advancement can lead to dismemberment

sarahell, Sunday, 11 April 2021 20:56 (three years ago) link

I am averse to it because the fingerprint sensor seems to stop working after about 6 months for some reason.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Sunday, 11 April 2021 21:00 (three years ago) link

iirc the fingerprint sensor doesn't work if the finger is cold

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 11 April 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link

Or if you've just used a bleach-based or disinfectant cleaning product.

(Good thing nobody has a special reason to do a lot of cleaning things nowadays!)

Jurassic parkour (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 11 April 2021 21:50 (three years ago) link

fingerprint scanners can never read my fingerprints because my hands are permanently ashy

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 12 April 2021 16:15 (three years ago) link

printyflakes

mh, Monday, 12 April 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link

lmao

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 12 April 2021 18:51 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

yeah the whole act of searching is now fraught with results that don't actually contain the words you searched for, because the machine is assuming associations and syllables and people-who-searched-for-x-also-searched-for-y. and it's like, no, i picked to search these words because i'm trying to answer this specific question. now i have to open six tabs and control-F for the key words and then close them again when they're not really there.

― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Thursday, August 15, 2019 2:36 PM bookmarkflaglink

just wanted to report that, anecdotally, this perennial issue has, somehow, become staggeringly worse in like the past two weeks. on google, DDG, everything. absolutely no confidence at all that ANY of the search results displayed contain all, most, or even more than one of the search terms i included. wtf.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 16:38 (two years ago) link

I think Google is experimenting with some non-cookie tracking methods, whereas your searches are mapped to a cohort... i.e. "if you love the blues, you'll love Bluez Hammer" because all these other folks that searched for similar stuff love them. So far Mozilla wants nothing to do with it, and I think others are not enthused at all as well.

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 20:52 (two years ago) link

all i want is to be able to search "name of building" architect or "name of building" built or (keyword) (keyword) (keyword) architect and find articles that actually include those words, so i can narrow down when things were built and who the architects might have been. instead i just get literally any page on the internet that mentions the name of the building. or some of the words in the name of the building, quotation marks be damned. fucking hell.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:04 (two years ago) link

everything weighted towards recency too. good luck trying to find anything written about any topic before 2010 if that thing has also been written about a lot since then then.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:13 (two years ago) link

surely these are the conditions for a nu (non-Google) Google to establish itself?

Chickpeas, Scamps and Beeves (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:16 (two years ago) link

or to find access to academic resources via library, same as it ever was tbh

John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:43 (two years ago) link

on google after you search click on tools, then change "all results" to "verbatim"

wasdnuos (abanana), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:51 (two years ago) link

(andy baio of waxy.org complained about this a decade ago so google added this verbatim search)

wasdnuos (abanana), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 21:53 (two years ago) link

sorry, just catching up on this thread, my reader’s digest of the past few weeks:

I guess if you're comfortable dealing with Python packages, there are some great packages.

oh, i for one am super comfortable dealing with python packages. you just unzip it, and it runs in your browser. (sorry about the formatting and huge-ass image)

cant believe no one is commenting how great and horny this is!

disclaimer: this technological advancement can lead to dismemberment

Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Thursday, 13 May 2021 07:46 (two years ago) link


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