The Jordan Peterson Thread

It does seem to be from the "tell don't show" school of narrative fiction, weird choice for a visual medium IMO.

You should give Ta-Nehisi Coates writing lessons.

"oh, you think Nickelback sucks, where is your number one hit"

which Captain America comics do you think are effective, treesh?

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The Coates run on Black Panther was close to unreadable imo. A rare occasion where an outsider coming in actually resulted in a more convoluted and harder to follow comic than if it had been one of the regular continuity hacks. Being a good essayist doesn't mean you're good at fiction, and scripting comics is yet another toolset altogether - but tbf the comics industry has rolled out the red carpet for writers far far worse at it than Coates.

In promo interviews he said he’d never read any comics other than Marvel comics, which didn’t bode well for someone adapting to a new medium.

if the red skull doesn't know what websites look like that's on him and his site design team imo

yeah i mean he's gotta be like 100 years old, i'm surprised he knows anything about web design

If Cable doesn’t know what feet look like, that’s between him and his cobbler

"Jordan Peterson is happy a prominent Black man called him a Nazi" is a hell of a take

show me a tweet where he seems genuinely mad and I'll reconsider it!

Look, at least the thread managed to establish that TNC is more worthy of criticism than the guy leveraging bigotry into money and acclaim.

Being a good essayist doesn't mean you're good at fiction

Didn't his novel already prove this? As I recall, the reviews were pretty savage.

show me a tweet where he seems genuinely mad and I'll reconsider it!

― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:55 PM (two minutes ago)

I mean in addition to his entire timeline over the past two days, there's this retweet:

Jordan Peterson shocked after learning comic links his ideas with villain https://t.co/WhOz9IFleW via OpIndia_com

— Dr Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) April 6, 2021

worth noting that the source there is a Hindutva propaganda organ

I for one am shocked that jordan peterson RTd an article about jordan peterson

honestly I'd be more convinced that he was actually mad if he just said "no comment"

The guy made his bones bitching about Disney content and now he is Disney content. That's a move up!

You are giving him too much credit imo

he's a dramatic guy and he likes it when people misrepresent him because it gives him something to complain about. the opportunity to beef with tnc is something he'd definitely relish. simon otm.

I did see him recently responding on Twitter to a critical (though not fully negative) review with “Why do you hate me?” I don’t think he handles criticism too well.

'beef'

You are giving him too much credit imo

remember "dark enlightenment"? these assholes love to be seen as renegades and villains by the culture they claim is an immoral and corrupting influence

I think I misunderstood what Simon meant by "flattered"?

I mean yeah of course he's seizing the opportunity to frame the hysterical left as thinking that being told to clean their rooms and not lie is equivalent to perpetuating the holocaust

but he's communicating that response via a tone of pompous indignation

anyway whatever, fuck this asshole forever

pete wentz on JP's ideology/outlook:

I don't care what you think
As long as it's about me

exactly.

To be fair, we all have been thinking about him way too much.

Was just about to say (guilty as charged).

His new book got to #10 on the usa today list, but it's falling off fast. His previous book got to #2 and is still on the list.

Damn, that cancel culture must have got him. He’ll be ruined

Truly an honour to be alive to see public intellectuals discuss the most urgent philosophical questions of our time.

"...Lois Lane had no interest in Clark Kent, but she fell in love with Superman... she wanted Superman to be able to cry and express emotions. But the man who did cry, express emotions and feelings and was sensitive, Clark Kent, she has zero interest in." - @drwarrenfarrell pic.twitter.com/C38RSGF90w

— Dr Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) August 20, 2021

hey, the lads know their target audience

I'm always saddened to learn that he's survived the latest threat to his weak and unmanly life force.

I assumed I'd regret clicking play on that, but watching Letterkenny has finally made this dude pontificating about trivia in that voice completely comedic

Ait-Nourri would make stuff interesting tho

Ignore that post, right wing scumbag fans

not clicking on that, peterson is an embarrassment for the entire species, but Clark Kent was never sensitive or open about his emotions. He's a weird, nice provincial guy who's definitely holding something back. Duplicity can be a "turn off", but I doubt incel ideology can deal with that (comic book) insight.

good point, but also why would we consult a generic idea of ~Superman~ for insights into gender roles, what a numbskull

of course. I was just saying that even in a nightmare world where dumbasses use old sexist children's stories to explain the world, they are still dumber than those stories.

otm

Interpreting myths to understand our culture is obviously an idea with a rich history esp through anthropology/psychoanalysis but I'm not sure "Lois really wanted a chad" is it

I'm not in principle opposed to analyzing superhero stories in that way, but we know who authored Superman stories—unlike ancient myths—so it's just fatuous to me to ignore that ~95% of those authors were men (from a specific place and time) while claiming the stories tell us "what women want" rather than what men insist on women wanting.

I don't really know enough about, e.g., Jungianism to blanket dismiss it, but whenever I encounter these popular uses of it, it's always so much horseshit

I'm reading Merve Emre's history of Myers-Briggs and Jung seems to appeal to dangerously bad thinkers

I would like to see* Peterson’s thoughts on the Mallrats Superman/Lois discussion.

*not really

Man of Steel, Woman of Clean Your Room

so it's just fatuous to me to ignore that ~95% of those authors were men (from a specific place and time) while claiming the stories tell us "what women want" rather than what men insist on women wanting.

there is a dizzyingly tight circularity you see a lot: "you say X is merely enforced by social convention, but in fact it is an essential and immutable truth of biology, as evidenced by this series of observations that it's enforced by social convention"

Clark Kent was never sensitive or open about his emotions. He's a weird, nice provincial guy who's definitely holding something back. Duplicity can be a "turn off", but I doubt incel ideology can deal with that (comic book) insight.

― g simmel, Sunday, August 22, 2021 10:31 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is otm.

I think you can learn more about cultural attitudes, even maybe hidden ones, from studying different forms of media. The big issue here is that Peterson has misread Superman.

But yeah, I also agree that universal human truths are unlikely to be seen in Superman. What you are going to find is a window onto how the creators of Superman saw the world.