that thing white ppl do when they disparage 'white ppl'

Supernatural has an insane tumblr/twitter/meme following that crosses racial barriers iirc

― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:49 AM (four minutes ago

otm! the two friends I would nerd out about that show with when I was super into it a few years ago were both queer & POC

xxp
*Steps out from beneath an umbrella and looks up to drone camera hovering over the English countryside, speaking in unison with Noel Fielding*
"Welcome... to the new season... of The Great Post-Racist Society Planning Thread"

(I had a longer post to in orbit and map that I deleted because it was pompous. I will revisit it if I can make it sound less like we are the council in charge of designing a post-racist society and more like people who've known each other for years having a conversation.)

― Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Tuesday, April 6, 2021 4:51 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol if this is shade at me i deserve it.

Something can be a product of white culture (WHICH IS A THING) and still appeal to non-white people. Amazing but true!

I will leave it to someone else to "interrogate" that one, but ... would you say a hypothetical "product of white culture" that appeals to many non-white people is "more white" than a "product of white culture" with a predominantly white audience? Like idk The McLaughlin Group

That doesn't make the thing itself less white, though. Something can be a product of white culture (WHICH IS A THING) and still appeal to non-white people. Amazing but true!

Sure. But as discussed in this thread, attempts to paint a certain cultural product as white from ppl who are themselves white are usually done to distance themselves from said culture and carry cachet as a hip not-that-kind-of-white-person.

It was meant to be shade at myself! There's plenty of room under here though if you'd like

hehe why thank you

Sorry — anything more white than Supernatural.

― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:41 AM (seventeen minutes ago)

I mean ... you are trolling or somehow forgetting a very large quantity of things here ... esp. considering you used to post on Bagatellen

Like idk The McLaughlin Group

Don't know enough about the McLaughlin Group to know if it's whiter than cricket.

Bagatellen

Non-idiomatic improv passes through whiteness and achieves translucence.

xp - The original incarnation aired on PBS member TV stations and the PBS digital subchannel World as well as on some local commercial TV stations, including WCBS-TV in New York City. During its run, underwriters included Pfizer, the New York Stock Exchange, and GE (the longest-serving).

The first mention of the McLaughlin group made me lol irl. That show is where titanium white is manufactured

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McLaughlin_(host)

attempts to paint a certain cultural product as white from ppl who are themselves white are usually done to distance themselves from said culture and carry cachet as a hip not-that-kind-of-white-person

Absolutely. There's been some discussion along these lines in the ILM thread about the Floating Points/Pharoah Sanders album (though it's disguised as classism — calling it "dinner party music" and whatnot), and what strikes me is how thoroughly that erases Pharoah Sanders' agency, when the album was his idea.

Cricket is a phenomenal example of Daniel Rf's truthbomb

Actually I have seen the McLaughlin thing, it was on some obscure channel over here in the 2000s, an American guy I used to know whose flat I hang out in would watch it, along with other 'American things' like Jackass.

isn't cricket also popular in former British colonies?

It's only like a second religion in India.

xp - I had actually forgotten that notorious white supremacist Pat Buchanan was a regular on McLaughlin Group

I can't think about the McLaughlin Group without think of Dana Carvey's impersonation

not to be too trenchant but in response to the thread concept, the reason many white ppl do that thing where they disparage white ppl is because they know in their hearts that they are culpable for white supremacy and lack the courage to change the system by so instead they mock it in an impotent attempt at self-disenfranchisement and surface relief from the static guilt of being the oppressor class
your daily reminder that white supremacy - or indeed any form of meritless caste system - benefits no one in the long run.

you might even say it's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZrrWj_y3Mc

lol I appreciate you, DJP, and also map! Despite the fact that we've all been Very Online for 20 years and usually communicate pretty well, I feel like this is a weird way to have this particular conversation.

For the record I don't have a problem making fun of "whiteness" although it's a subtle art, maybe, and I think a couple of different things are being flattened itt. If white people don't talk to each other about white supremacy, and normalize it like we've normalized talking about...idk colonialism (maybe? I Am Not A Historian), then...what? It can't be left unspoken like we all understand it and it's beneath our dignity to address it.

The spotify playlist bit makes me think that “white people talking about whiteness” when it comes to music is usually a white person deciding that a song that was/is ubiquitous during their life that they now find corny or cliche is “white culture” regardless of who actually liked or listened to it!

haven't read this and probably won't tbh but I think it'll probably play many of the hits from above

https://www.gawker.com/culture/white-people-love-calling-other-white-people-white-people?utm_campaign=gawker&utm_content=1643983531&utm_medium=owned&utm_source=twitter

A few years ago I wrote a surly little rant in the Spectator magazine

Can't believe you wouldn't want to read an article that starts this way.

i love links that end utm_source=twitter

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