booming post, map
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:24 (three years ago) link
*exist without Creedence
― sarahell, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:24 (three years ago) link
though it was a recurring theme song in CW tv show "Supernatural" so maybe it has become "less white"
I've seen Supernatural. I am having difficulty imagining anything less white than Supernatural. (And Kansas had John Brown on the cover of their debut album, so their politics are...murky.)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:40 (three years ago) link
Sorry — anything more white than Supernatural.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:41 (three years ago) link
one thing I've learned is that whenever white people try to clown something for being very white, that thing will end up having huge non-white fanbases
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:47 (three years ago) link
see: Phil Collins
― Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:48 (three years ago) link
Supernatural has an insane tumblr/twitter/meme following that crosses racial barriers iirc
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:49 (three years ago) link
Yeah, that's a good example. Also Celine Dion, the Smiths, Country music (huge in Nigeria! Or used to be, anyway)...any schmaltzy 70's act you could mention is bound to have a strong following in South East Asia.
xpost
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:50 (three years ago) link
(I had a longer post to in orbit and map that I deleted because it was pompous. I will revisit it if I can make it sound less like we are the council in charge of designing a post-racist society and more like people who've known each other for years having a conversation.)
― Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:51 (three years ago) link
xp the transition of Journey into a Filipino-led band (albeit one whose lead singer somehow hasn't joined them in the R&R HoF) is worth including in that list
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:53 (three years ago) link
That's often true. That doesn't make the thing itself less white, though. Something can be a product of white culture (WHICH IS A THING) and still appeal to non-white people. Amazing but true!
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:54 (three years ago) link
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:49 AM (four minutes ago
otm! the two friends I would nerd out about that show with when I was super into it a few years ago were both queer & POC
― sarahell, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:55 (three years ago) link
xxp*Steps out from beneath an umbrella and looks up to drone camera hovering over the English countryside, speaking in unison with Noel Fielding*"Welcome... to the new season... of The Great Post-Racist Society Planning Thread"
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:56 (three years ago) link
― Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Tuesday, April 6, 2021 4:51 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
lol if this is shade at me i deserve it.
― John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:58 (three years ago) link
Something can be a product of white culture (WHICH IS A THING) and still appeal to non-white people. Amazing but true!
I will leave it to someone else to "interrogate" that one, but ... would you say a hypothetical "product of white culture" that appeals to many non-white people is "more white" than a "product of white culture" with a predominantly white audience? Like idk The McLaughlin Group
― sarahell, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:59 (three years ago) link
That doesn't make the thing itself less white, though. Something can be a product of white culture (WHICH IS A THING) and still appeal to non-white people. Amazing but true!
Sure. But as discussed in this thread, attempts to paint a certain cultural product as white from ppl who are themselves white are usually done to distance themselves from said culture and carry cachet as a hip not-that-kind-of-white-person.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:59 (three years ago) link
It was meant to be shade at myself! There's plenty of room under here though if you'd like
― Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:59 (three years ago) link
hehe why thank you
― John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:00 (three years ago) link
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:41 AM (seventeen minutes ago)
I mean ... you are trolling or somehow forgetting a very large quantity of things here ... esp. considering you used to post on Bagatellen
― sarahell, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:01 (three years ago) link
Like idk The McLaughlin Group
Don't know enough about the McLaughlin Group to know if it's whiter than cricket.
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:02 (three years ago) link
Bagatellen
Non-idiomatic improv passes through whiteness and achieves translucence.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:03 (three years ago) link
xp - The original incarnation aired on PBS member TV stations and the PBS digital subchannel World as well as on some local commercial TV stations, including WCBS-TV in New York City. During its run, underwriters included Pfizer, the New York Stock Exchange, and GE (the longest-serving).
― sarahell, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:04 (three years ago) link
The first mention of the McLaughlin group made me lol irl. That show is where titanium white is manufactured
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:05 (three years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McLaughlin_(host)
― sarahell, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:05 (three years ago) link
attempts to paint a certain cultural product as white from ppl who are themselves white are usually done to distance themselves from said culture and carry cachet as a hip not-that-kind-of-white-person
Absolutely. There's been some discussion along these lines in the ILM thread about the Floating Points/Pharoah Sanders album (though it's disguised as classism — calling it "dinner party music" and whatnot), and what strikes me is how thoroughly that erases Pharoah Sanders' agency, when the album was his idea.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:06 (three years ago) link
Cricket is a phenomenal example of Daniel Rf's truthbomb
― imago, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:07 (three years ago) link
Actually I have seen the McLaughlin thing, it was on some obscure channel over here in the 2000s, an American guy I used to know whose flat I hang out in would watch it, along with other 'American things' like Jackass.
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:09 (three years ago) link
isn't cricket also popular in former British colonies?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:09 (three years ago) link
It's only like a second religion in India.
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:10 (three years ago) link
xp - I had actually forgotten that notorious white supremacist Pat Buchanan was a regular on McLaughlin Group
― sarahell, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:10 (three years ago) link
I can't think about the McLaughlin Group without think of Dana Carvey's impersonation
― Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:13 (three years ago) link
not to be too trenchant but in response to the thread concept, the reason many white ppl do that thing where they disparage white ppl is because they know in their hearts that they are culpable for white supremacy and lack the courage to change the system by so instead they mock it in an impotent attempt at self-disenfranchisement and surface relief from the static guilt of being the oppressor classyour daily reminder that white supremacy - or indeed any form of meritless caste system - benefits no one in the long run.
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:13 (three years ago) link
you might even say it'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZrrWj_y3Mc
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:14 (three years ago) link
lol I appreciate you, DJP, and also map! Despite the fact that we've all been Very Online for 20 years and usually communicate pretty well, I feel like this is a weird way to have this particular conversation.
For the record I don't have a problem making fun of "whiteness" although it's a subtle art, maybe, and I think a couple of different things are being flattened itt. If white people don't talk to each other about white supremacy, and normalize it like we've normalized talking about...idk colonialism (maybe? I Am Not A Historian), then...what? It can't be left unspoken like we all understand it and it's beneath our dignity to address it.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:24 (three years ago) link
The spotify playlist bit makes me think that “white people talking about whiteness” when it comes to music is usually a white person deciding that a song that was/is ubiquitous during their life that they now find corny or cliche is “white culture” regardless of who actually liked or listened to it!
― mh, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:25 (three years ago) link
haven't read this and probably won't tbh but I think it'll probably play many of the hits from above
https://www.gawker.com/culture/white-people-love-calling-other-white-people-white-people?utm_campaign=gawker&utm_content=1643983531&utm_medium=owned&utm_source=twitter
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Friday, 4 February 2022 14:14 (two years ago) link
A few years ago I wrote a surly little rant in the Spectator magazine
Can't believe you wouldn't want to read an article that starts this way.
― nashwan, Friday, 4 February 2022 14:42 (two years ago) link
i love links that end utm_source=twitter
― sarahell, Tuesday, 8 February 2022 01:23 (two years ago) link
Here are 5 out 7 members of the cantonal government of St-Gallen, Switzerland, plus its chancellor. pic.twitter.com/qlPNNTE0KA— alexandre afonso (@alexandreafonso) February 12, 2022
― calzino, Saturday, 12 February 2022 11:25 (two years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzQVOtJWEAghMVi.jpgp
― snarl self own (Karl Malone), Saturday, 12 February 2022 11:33 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/WMpeV2q.jpg
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/2/24/Talosians_3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190309003202&path-prefix=en
― Bastards of Fish (Tom D.), Saturday, 12 February 2022 12:43 (two years ago) link
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/9/9f/Talosians.png
O buggeration!
― Bastards of Fish (Tom D.), Saturday, 12 February 2022 12:45 (two years ago) link