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Cinemas need targeted Government support now to #KeepTheMagicAlive

Many are in danger of closing for good but we need our cultural venues more than ever,@Cinema_UK

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) April 4, 2021

the pinefox, Monday, 5 April 2021 10:13 (three years ago) link

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has been criticised for visiting a church that has homophobic links.

Shadow Cabinet Office Minister, Rachel Reeves says 'he was visiting a vaccine centre, that doesn't mean we endorse their views.'

Latest: https://t.co/EGEUY65CnO pic.twitter.com/drIf0k3bqq

— Sky News (@SkyNews) April 5, 2021



Wishing this party an absolute steamrollering in the elections, this is so disrespectful of every person I saw upset about this (which was a lot, including mutuals who have been on the end of their tethers for some time).

Scamp Granada (gyac), Monday, 5 April 2021 10:18 (three years ago) link

oh so it's a vaccine centre now rather than a church that supports conversion therapy. quelle difference!

calzino, Monday, 5 April 2021 10:22 (three years ago) link

https://t.co/UstaG42zs7 pic.twitter.com/uJfj5SfU97

— gem (@dudley_duoflush) April 5, 2021

Scamp Granada (gyac), Monday, 5 April 2021 10:30 (three years ago) link

Visiting on Good Friday and talking about how much good the church community had done was simply coincidental.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 5 April 2021 10:47 (three years ago) link

“I’m not one for ‘let’s close the borders’ but you can’t have a situation where later on today Boris Johnson is announcing a sort of red, amber, green system for those of us who are thinking about a summer holiday, and then we find out that the whole world and their aunt can come in, breeze into Britain,” he told LBC radio.

O_o

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 5 April 2021 11:25 (three years ago) link

Who "he"?

Mark G, Monday, 5 April 2021 12:40 (three years ago) link

Lammy

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 5 April 2021 12:41 (three years ago) link

Ah.

Mark G, Monday, 5 April 2021 12:43 (three years ago) link

So, he *is* one for etc

Mark G, Monday, 5 April 2021 12:44 (three years ago) link

lammy has form here but lot of ppl who like(d) him for other stuff are / would be disappointed. to be fair literally every MP supports ethnic cleansing (euphamised as border controls)- it comes with the job

#YesAllCops (Left), Monday, 5 April 2021 14:58 (three years ago) link

Tory MP Cheryl Gillan has died, this means a by-election of course, but she represents Chesham and Amersham in Buckinghamshire, which has never dropped below 50% tory vote since its creation in 1974, so nothing to see here.

Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 5 April 2021 18:50 (three years ago) link

I completely disagree with Jesus House’s beliefs on LGBT+ rights, which I was not aware of before my visit. I apologise for the hurt my visit caused and have taken down the video. It was a mistake and I accept that.

— Keir Starmer (@Keir_Starmer) April 5, 2021

An admission of error! I thought the miracles were meant to be yesterday.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:17 (three years ago) link

A bit harsh of him to call his odious shadow chancellor of the duchy of lancaster a total fucking liar!

calzino, Monday, 5 April 2021 20:44 (three years ago) link

um

Hartlepool, constituency voting intention:

CON: 49% (+20)
LAB: 42% (+4)
NIP: 2% (+2)
LDEM: 1% (-3)
REFUK: 1% (-25)
GRN: 1% (+1)

via @Survation

— Britain Elects (@BritainElects) April 5, 2021

Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 5 April 2021 23:15 (three years ago) link

The ppl Starmer is chasing clearly appreciate it.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 April 2021 23:18 (three years ago) link

The -25 is the key here, the Tories would have won Hartlepool in 2019 if not for the Brexit party.

Still, you have to laugh, grimly.

Scamp Granada (gyac), Monday, 5 April 2021 23:18 (three years ago) link

a "20 points ahead" gain for the tories in a seat that Corbyn Labour won twice and yet the melts are already blaming his legacy for Kieth parachuting a total cock into Hartlepool that is likely to lose by a fair margin. And lol at NIP reducing the LibDems to Count Binface status.

calzino, Monday, 5 April 2021 23:20 (three years ago) link

and fuck Hartlepool tbf!

calzino, Monday, 5 April 2021 23:22 (three years ago) link

and fuck Hartlepool tbf!

calzino, Monday, 5 April 2021 23:22 (three years ago) link

twice

calzino, Monday, 5 April 2021 23:22 (three years ago) link

NEW Survation Poll – Leadership ratings
(Hartlepool voters only)

Johnson/Starmer:

Net Rating:
+19% / -14%

Favourable49% / 24%
Unfavourable30% / 38%

502 sample, by phone for @CWUnews. 29 March-3 April. pic.twitter.com/LMERxwTWYG

— Survation. (@Survation) April 5, 2021

NEW Survation Poll (Hartlepool voters only)

Support or oppose a policy of providing all households and businesses free broadband by 2030

Support 69%
Oppose 18%

502 sample, by phone for @CWUnews. 29 March-3 April. pic.twitter.com/kMzkraRYtm

— Survation. (@Survation) April 5, 2021

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 April 2021 23:39 (three years ago) link

kieth is done.

NIP put out this awful tweet earlier about having a Northern football team with a Greggs sponsored kit. They do annoy all the right people but it's hard to take them seriously when they don't seem to be able to resist boosting a scumbag bookies and a poverty wage company when like we've already got Bet 365 sponsored Starmerism ffs!

calzino, Monday, 5 April 2021 23:40 (three years ago) link

Labour seems to be edging towards opposing vaccine passports, which is good I guess.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 10:56 (three years ago) link

Describing them as "un-British" is Kieth's way of signalling he will oppose them for completely different reasons than why Corbyn opposes them

calzino, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 11:09 (three years ago) link

that Toynbee piece in the Graun today is her most embarrassingly bad work since her Owen Smith piece in 2016

calzino, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 11:14 (three years ago) link

lol when has sleaze ever ‘felled Tory governments’? The best guess most academics made circa Cash For Questions is that it cost them two seats.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 11:22 (three years ago) link

Is the sleaze a ref on The Back to Basics type stuff in the Major-era followed by sex scandals?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 11:39 (three years ago) link

It’s both that and the whole business with al-Fayed. The impact was negligible.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 11:47 (three years ago) link

Cash For Questions seems so antiquated now, especially as one of the longest serving Labour MP is a registered "Professional Lobbyist" and the likes of Jenrick can get away with outrageous conduct without the Labour leader or even the Mancunian great white hope of the soft Left calling their head.

calzino, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 11:47 (three years ago) link

People get fussed, let's say, about the smaller stuff.

Spending billions on PPE that never happens, is a thing. That the money went to a "crony" is incidental detail, whatever.

An MP claims a duck-house on his expenses, however, is an easily assimilable image to enrage.

It's the old "nick a tenner, go to jail. nick a million, get a knighthood"

Mark G, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 11:51 (three years ago) link

Someone should perhaps tell Polly that Boris Johnson is the current Prime Minister, not Sir Alec Douglas-Home.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 12:17 (three years ago) link

It's very on-brand for a Guardian liberal to think that the problem with the Major government was poor optics rather than, idk, Black Wednesday and the ensuing economic devastation.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 12:22 (three years ago) link

Major could have done with someone like Polly and her fellow SDP chums to rip apart the Labour Party like they did in the 80s.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 12:30 (three years ago) link

Am I right in thinking the Guardian have simply ignored today's Hartlepool survey, as opposed to all the Corbyn-era by-elections - Oldham West, Peterborough - when they couldn't wait to file misguided predictions of Labour's polling day doom? VMIC if so.

Piedie Gimbel, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 12:49 (three years ago) link

It's covered in the politics live blog

nashwan, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 12:58 (three years ago) link

After thinking about it for a while, I have an idea what 'VMIC' might stand for, but a search for it yields:

https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/VMIC

Acronym Definition
VMIC VME Microsystems International Corporation
VMIC Virginia’s Manufacturing Innovation Center (James Madison University; Harrisonburg, VA)
VMIC Vermont Maple Industry Council
VMIC Vietnam Meeting and Incentive Club
VMIC View and Markup Information Center
VMIC VLSI (Very Large-Scale Integration) Multilevel Interconnection Conference (IEEE)
VMIC Veterinary Medical Information Center (est. 1977; Purdue University; West Lafayette, IN)

I initially mistyped it as MVIC which was even more doomed to failure.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:58 (three years ago) link

vmic

jammy mcnullity (wins), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:59 (three years ago) link

It's very on-brand for a Guardian liberal to think that the problem with the Major government was poor optics rather than, idk, Black Wednesday and the ensuing economic devastation.

I don't pretend to understand 'the economy', and I suspect that 'economic success' might often mean success for some people, not others. But can it be said that, in terms most people understand, 'the economy was doing badly' by May 1997? As far as I recall, the opposite - Labour inherited a boom (again, defined on certain terms).

My recollection FWIW (see acronym list) is that the nearest recession to this was around 1990-1, not post-1992.

In which case why did the Major government fall? There are reams of books on this but I think a certain sense of 'government fatigue' was relevant, ie: they had hung on for 18 years; and 'sleaze optics' was part of the general atmosphere. It may be relevant that their majority was small by then anyway - they had lost MPs from an already quite weak point in 1992, and were, I think, relying on UUP support - so they were not a very 'strong government' by the end. Effective opposition (unlike KS) was also relevant.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 18:03 (three years ago) link

Imagine if Blair had employed a KS style "constructive opposition" in '97. Even with all the fatigue and sleaze optics it still might have been a hung parliament or a struggling Labour minority govt. John Major said he'd have still lost if he had run against himself - but he'd never met Kieth at this point!

calzino, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 18:15 (three years ago) link

I think there were lots of factors involved, including the splits over Europe, but Black Wednesday killed the automatic right the Tories had enjoyed, since god knows when, to be regarded as the default party of economic competence. As soon as it happened, they were polling under 30% and didn’t win a by-election again until Major had gone.

The economy didn’t go into recession but iirc inflation and negative equity were perceived at the time as being huge issues.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 18:18 (three years ago) link

John Major said he'd have still lost if he had run against himself - but he'd never met Kieth at this point!

That's amusing.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 09:12 (three years ago) link

Black Wednesday helped the economic situation, as devaluing the pound helped exports and meant interest rates could be lowered without the need to prop up the currency at an unsustainable level. But it meant that the government didn't get credit for the subsequent economic acceleration, as it was the humiliating failure of their policy that made it possible. Tbf to the labour party of the time, they were good at not letting people forget that.

Probably most importantly, the press barons never forgave Major for it.

Final closure of virtually all remaining coalmines around the same time was also massively unpopular at the time, but doesn't get remembered at all by Serious Pundits

It was, but that was late 1992 (or the protests were) - I don't really feel that it was a big causal factor in May 1997.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 11:23 (three years ago) link

Every photo he looks creepy af pic.twitter.com/aCydfVDlpY

— K 🦋 🌸 (@stealmoonshine) April 7, 2021

calzino, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:34 (three years ago) link

three word horror story: starmer gaetz sleepover

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:43 (three years ago) link

I can't believe his campaign office would consider that a good pic to put out there!

calzino, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:50 (three years ago) link

"Do you want to see some puppies?" That can't have been released by the Labour Party surely?

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:54 (three years ago) link

some of the comments are suggesting it was! Maybe they are thinking it never did Hancock any harm getting filmed looking like a leering creepazoid with a semi!

calzino, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:10 (three years ago) link


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