Beware the Ides of March -- U.S. Politics March 2021

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milo fuck that as well, I have been here for 10+ years under this name alone

epistantophus, Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:36 (three years ago) link

I am just asking where you would put the kids

epistantophus, Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:37 (three years ago) link

The Four Seasons.

It's more important that we know where Joe Biden wants to put the kids and why they're not there, though.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:39 (three years ago) link

To clarify the above, I also did not have a different name >10 years ago, I just was not here.

epistantophus, Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:39 (three years ago) link

So it sounds like the problem is that Joe Biden isn’t walking us through his plans and the roadblocks he is facing- not that he isn’t working to make things better.

epistantophus, Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:44 (three years ago) link

Yes, but the problem is that without the former, we can't disprove the latter. And like milo I don't see any particular reason to extend the benefit of the doubt that he is working on it. I'm also not going to assume he's sitting in the Oval laughing over photos of imprisoned kids but still.

rob, Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:49 (three years ago) link

just ftr this is what AOC actually said about kids in cages:

This is not okay, never has been okay, never will be okay - no matter the administration or party. https://t.co/AEV7s7QQnB

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) February 23, 2021

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:52 (three years ago) link

Of course that's what she actually said about kids in cages. We all knew this and this is why table's nonsense is indistinguishable from right-wing talking points. If you don't like that characterization of your words, don't make it an easy one to make.

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:55 (three years ago) link

Where should they go? What is your policy recommendation and how would you enact it? Can you ensure their safety and well-being as part of your plan? Let’s have some damned substance here.

They should go to relatives in the US, whether those relatives are undocumented or not. They should all be given citizenship. If relatives are not able to be found here, then attempt contact with families in home country to see what the family there wishes. If that can't happen, then allow for adoption by families and communities, and KEEP TRACK OF THE KIDS so that families might be able to locate them in the future. If all else fails, put them all up in any number of vacant luxury hotels, condos, apartment buildings, or office parks. Plop down some yurts on the front lawn of the White House. Move some into the Biden residence in Delaware.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:57 (three years ago) link

And to be clear, the bone I am picking here is not "why aren't you extending Biden the benefit of the doubt", it's "why are you turning on one of the few people in a position of power who has more consistently done the right thing in her career than not in a manner that makes you sound like Tucker Carlson"

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 18:58 (three years ago) link

Sorry, saying stuff on Twitter doesn't mean shit to me.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 19:01 (three years ago) link

tables--why are they so hard to impress?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 19:03 (three years ago) link

It would be nice to see more concrete action from AOC - and far more importantly, Bernie - on the matter, rather than disapproving tweets (which are getting ever more tedious). Block every Biden nominee until we know what the plan is, Bernie.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 19:04 (three years ago) link

So, as is often the case, I will acknowledge that yes, AOC does care about the kids in cages. You got me there, DJP.

That said, posting stuff on Twitter and other social media doesn't mean much if the kids aren't out of the cages.

At a certain point, I've become exhausted by what feels like the 'mainstream left' essentially running a good optics campaign and then coming up with no results, and always with excuses...some valid, and some quite laughable.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 19:11 (three years ago) link

Also, since Rob is right, I'm going to once again silence myself here for a bit.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 19:14 (three years ago) link

If all else fails, put them all up in any number of vacant luxury hotels, condos, apartment buildings, or office parks.

I disagree with "if all else fails."

armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 19:49 (three years ago) link

If you can roll out vaccines at the rate the US is doing then taking care of those kids shouldn’t be too much of a difficulty. I’m usually an increments/compromise/slow process advocate but I fail to see how it applies to actual children in prisons.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 31 March 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link

I'm pretty sure I read that the process actually is to match up unaccompanied minors with relatives but the relatives have to be vetted. How they are "vetted", I don't know, and that's probably part of the problem. I think it (currently) doesn't matter if the relatives are citizens or not.

Warning, from bourgeois pigs at CNN:

Typically, after being taken into Border Patrol custody, unaccompanied children have to be turned over within 72 hours to the Department of Health and Human Services, which is tasked with the care of migrant children.
HHS was until recently running their shelters at partial capacity to maintain Covid-19 distancing protocols, which had limited its ability to accept children within those first three days. This has forced children to wait in jail-like conditions at Border Patrol adult facilities for longer than the three-day legal limit. ...

It will take time to reunite them with a family member or release them to another appropriate sponsor. But that can take months. By the summer of 2020, the children remaining in custody had been in HHS care for nearly a year on average. The average length of stay for a child in HHS custody is currently 34 days, an administration official said.
HHS has released 131,800 children to US-based sponsors between October 2017 through January 2021. Of those, 43% were discharged to a parent or other legal guardian, 47% were sponsored by another immediate relative, and 10% were released to a distant relative or an unrelated sponsor.

In on the killfile (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 19:59 (three years ago) link

Not defending it, just wanted to find an explanation of current procedure.

In on the killfile (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 20:01 (three years ago) link

The Pentagon could stave off calls from Democrats to slash defense spending by developing innovative climate technology, House Armed Services Chairman Adam Smith said. https://t.co/imowAMFPJV

— Bloomberg Government (@BGOV) March 29, 2021

All bombs will be recyclable.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 20:04 (three years ago) link

https://www.congress.gov/member/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/O000172?q=%7B%22sponsorship%22%3A%22sponsored%22%7D

It looks like she had several amendments on immigration vetoed in the 116th Congress and a bill against denying federal aid to people based on immigration status that was introduced. Most of the legislation she directly sponsored in the 117th Congress has been around housing and COVID relief. She is a cosponsor on this bill from Jayapal Pramila:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2222?s=5&r=3

This bill from Ayanna Pressley, which she cosponsored, may also apply; the text isn't available yet:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1706/text?r=20&s=5

She is also a cosponsor on this bill from Judy Chu, which also doesn't have available text yet but certainly seems pertinent based on the title:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1333?s=5&r=37

She is a cosponsor of this bill from Grace Meng:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1308/text?r=39&s=5

There are more, but the broader point is that she is putting forward and cosigning legislation focused on these issues. I stopped scrolling so I didn't find a specific bill closing the detention centers. I am sure one exists and that she is cosponsoring it. In terms of what her job is, she is doing what she is supposed to do. In terms of activities outside of her job, she is agitating against senators and executives who are not moving to help the people in these detention centers and is reflecting and amplifying the voices of her constituents on the matter. It would be viscerally exciting to see her pulling down walls and leading people out of the detention centers but she isn't doing that.

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 20:06 (three years ago) link

Green up that peace dividend, Pentagon!

so tonight that I might ramona quimby (f. hazel), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 20:08 (three years ago) link

yeah, they are going to unveil terrifying geoengineering technology, like sulfurous clouds and things

treeship., Wednesday, 31 March 2021 20:08 (three years ago) link

the war on clouds must be fought and won

so tonight that I might ramona quimby (f. hazel), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 20:09 (three years ago) link

This thread is a toxic cloud.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 20:23 (three years ago) link

Fox anchor: AOC says we shouldn't use the term invasion to describe migrants, "WHO IS USING THOSE WORDS?"

Previously on Fox:
Host: We're seeing an all out invasion on our southern border

Guest: We are seeing an invasion

Host: We got a massive invasion

Guest: It is an invasion pic.twitter.com/It4nNuAMen

— Lis Power (@LisPower1) March 31, 2021

armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 20:41 (three years ago) link

wonder if they will implement their incredibly popular policies...

Buried in the new Morning Consult/Politico poll is an eye-popping statistic: Voters by a 2-to-1 margin prefer a $3 trillion infrastructure bill that includes tax hikes on $400K+ and corporations over one that excludes those tax hikes.

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) March 31, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 21:00 (three years ago) link

Meantime, oops.

More alleged deets on fed probe: Doc obtained by @dcexaminer states that Gaetz is “under investigation by the FBI for various public corruption and public integrity issues” and alleges that the FBI is aware of photos depicting Gaetz in a “sexual orgy with underage prostitutes.”

— Daniel Chaitin (@danielchaitin7) March 31, 2021

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 March 2021 22:05 (three years ago) link

"sexual orgy" is way too funny a phrase to use in this context

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 22:07 (three years ago) link

I can’t believe this tweet is still up https://t.co/rOb8jQLIau

— Lisa Snowden (@LisaMcCray) March 31, 2021

superdeep borehole (harbl), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link

Somehow this is all getting even STUPIDER

BREAKING: Documents suggest that Rep. Matt Gaetz’s father was told his son’s legal problems could go away if he gave $25 million to help secure the release of Iranian hostage Bob Levinson https://t.co/59oUJJWMbc

— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) March 31, 2021

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 March 2021 22:27 (three years ago) link

Among the many questions that now remain unanswered is why the family’s lawyer was then involved in discussions of a possible rescue plan as recently as this month hunt3r or anyone in the us of a read all this. Just let him swing, you fucks.” part of me just wants to see if the html signalling works.

pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Thursday, 1 April 2021 00:07 (three years ago) link

It didn’t. my advice? the same.

pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Thursday, 1 April 2021 00:08 (three years ago) link

Who could have foreseen any of this from someone who looks and carries himself like someone playing the devil on a tv show

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 April 2021 00:35 (three years ago) link

Good description of him in today’s tabs: the villainous real-estate developer in a live action Minecraft movie

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 1 April 2021 00:41 (three years ago) link

He could attach the next 7% to a different spending priority, there’s a certain amount of logic to that

― Canon in Deez (silby), Wednesday, March 31, 2021 5:48 PM (yesterday)

keep 'em coming

Some context on how Biden plans to fund his infrastructure package. pic.twitter.com/0U5zuXEhaI

— Justin Wolfers (@JustinWolfers) March 31, 2021

nb: "Lemme add an important qualifier: This graph shows statutory tax rates, while for corporate taxes, the proliferation of loopholes means that it's often more important to focus on effective rates, which are often a lot lower (and have fallen more over time)."

armoured van, Holden (sic), Thursday, 1 April 2021 00:48 (three years ago) link

The move to claw back offshore corporate income seems like a big deal. Dunno if it’s worth more than going back to where we were 4 years ago but it’s not nothing.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 1 April 2021 00:54 (three years ago) link

I'm highly sceptical of anything coming of it, obv, but yes big if true.

armoured van, Holden (sic), Thursday, 1 April 2021 01:07 (three years ago) link

yeah it's a big deal simply because it's something where there used to be nothing, but it's not nearly enough, like rumors of a potential goal in a football match where the other side has 200 points and gains five every quarter.

John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Thursday, 1 April 2021 01:15 (three years ago) link

cool thanks

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 April 2021 02:06 (three years ago) link

I've never seen the point in "believing" in politicians, for their momentary convictions must align with mine; but this desiccated piece of shit called Joe Biden seems to have seized a liberal moment with less temerity than I expected exactly a year ago.

Sure, I keep my expectations low because I didn't think Joe Biden would do it. I'm a Warren/Sanders guy, and I suspect they would've handled these legislative battles less effectively.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 April 2021 02:11 (three years ago) link

This is where my expectations were before the election, so he’s exceeded those!

It's been just seven months since Biden's advisor Ted Kaufman told the WSJ that the "pantry" would be "bare" in 2021 and Biden would "have limited funds to do what we’re going to do.”https://t.co/jCpengF7Ux https://t.co/D181grr7Bv

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) March 31, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 1 April 2021 02:37 (three years ago) link

Yeah, same, I did not expect a flipped Senate. Thk u ATL.

The cartoonishly scandalous perception of Gaetz is so commonplace that sometimes it’s visible, literally, in the halls of Congress. A Hill source sent The Daily Beast a photo of a trash bin outside Gaetz's office as lawmakers cleared out their offices at the end of a recent session. At the top of the heap was an empty Costco-size box of “Bareskin” Trojan condoms.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 1 April 2021 15:14 (three years ago) link

Now lock thread

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 1 April 2021 15:14 (three years ago) link

an empty Costco-size box of “Bareskin” Trojan condoms: us politics april etc

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 1 April 2021 15:22 (three years ago) link

who uses condoms to masturbate

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Thursday, 1 April 2021 15:27 (three years ago) link


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