oh absolutely, if subroc survived he might've remained zev love x and never put on the mask
What about this line though?https://genius.com/Kmd-what-a-nigga-know-lyrics#note-1509464
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 29 March 2021 21:37 (three years ago) link
From listening to some podcasts since his death, like the Serch one, I think Subroc was a more meticulous producer and DOOM’s style was always more a lofi, choppy kinda style. If Sub was still alive, the beats might have sounded a bit smoother but I think similar ideas would have been thrown around.
I recently listened to a podcast with Prodigy where he introduced Havoc to the Sp. even though we all think of Havoc as the Mobb deep producer, I think understanding that they all have an input is interesting. Subroc was the Havoc to KMD, but Doom knew enough to take his ideas to Bobito’s house after his death to launch a solo career.
― a hoy hoy, Monday, 29 March 2021 22:39 (three years ago) link
I do wonder how much 88-94 was a collective effort of friends. Someone who loved jazz, heard something no one else did and took that to their mate Diamond D or whoever is basically the apex of music to me.
― a hoy hoy, Monday, 29 March 2021 22:41 (three years ago) link
I recently heard a record Pete rock sampled and was amazed how he found so much potential in literally what I think was barely two bars. For me, doom without his own beats isnt really, truly doom. a bit like wu tang members and rza. Prob cos I'm not someone to be that wowed by rap lyrics, I'm more a flow and beats person, with a few exceptions. But the way ppl geek out over dilla is how I feel about doom beats.
― candyman, Monday, 29 March 2021 23:29 (three years ago) link
I'm not putting on Herbs collections to listen to like I would Donuts or something... but I'm with you that you can't beat DOOM rhyming on his own beats. The way he puts together this whole world on Doomsday and Food. Madvillainy's great but it's something different.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 11:36 (three years ago) link
fwiw, 8 tracks of DOOM rhyming on DOOM beats that don't appear on DOOM(etc) albumshttps://open.spotify.com/playlist/1yA9HLeOIPOZWQjUtQcEJL?si=a5w6HTlPTtaKm3p4ptfwFQ
I Hear Voices pt 1w MF Grimm - Impostas (MF EP)MF Grimm - FoolishMonsta Island Czars - MIC LineHell Razah feat. Talib Kweli & MF DOOM - Project JazzJohn Robinson - SorcerersMA DOOM - Think I AmDOOMSTARKS - Victory LapDOOMSTARKS - Lively Hood
I think that's it?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 12:29 (three years ago) link
9*!
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 12:30 (three years ago) link
oh and "MEATHEAD"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smVoxgny20Ucame out about a year ago... must be the last production of his there is right now
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 12:33 (three years ago) link
I have that MIC album somewhere. I think I got it for one song but literally dont know the rest.
― candyman, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 13:14 (three years ago) link
i wish that it was much better, yes i doooooooo
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 13:41 (three years ago) link
Here's a deep cut I like. The beat is so infectious!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJpwKJcLjao
― cajunsunday, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 16:27 (three years ago) link
wtf i had no idea that reissue had new stuff, that's gorgeous. thank youi think I'm gonna be doing more than one album resequencing as i try and process everything to squeeze a ballot out in time
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 23:30 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHKIg17oHPI
Recently learning where the sample from The Finest and freaking out hearing it on the radio gave me a new appreciation for it. It’s weird how big a noise people made about puffy sampling pop hits from the 80s to take over the charts and DOOM did exactly the same thing to idk fictionally take over the planet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULEzINHZv3o
― a hoy hoy, Friday, 2 April 2021 08:08 (three years ago) link
Yeah though DOOM never took part in that dumb criticism or any other rappity rap tropes, far as I recall... other than the idea of the mask gimmick being talked of as an anti-superstar-image, anyone-could-be-under-there kind of concept... when it suited him.
From listening to some podcasts since his death, like the Serch one,
Thanks, I hadn't grabbed this. We should compile a list of good interviews/shows. Gilles Peterson's tribue mix had a good monologue by Dante Ross at the start, though it just made me more confused about who did what in KMD.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 2 April 2021 16:36 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Mmt5ZUh.pngsource
yo we're still going! One week left. Ballots are trickling in. What are you listening to?
For my going on about DOOM's whole world on Doomsday and Food, there is another record that to my mind stands as the most singular in his catalog: Vaudeville Villain. A teenage time traveller from a future where hiphop is outlawed, with beats that somehow sound the part. Seriously: King Honey, Heat Sensor, Max Bill?? Who are these guys? What else did they do? What is this record!! Where the hell do I place it!
Oh and there's a music video... I'd missed that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyiB-lkQBFY
― maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 4 April 2021 14:08 (three years ago) link
I feel like this thread title should just be shortened to being an MF Doom poll, no one refers to him as his government name and all the aliases are explained later.
What’s everyone’s favourite KMD tracks? Kinda tempted to vote for Nitty Gritty and wish they did more collabs
― a hoy hoy, Monday, 5 April 2021 17:07 (three years ago) link
My first crack at a title went over the limit! But I'll write the mods in a minute to tighten it up, and hit some other threads to see if we can get some more people in here.Fave KMD, Peachfuzz.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 17:21 (three years ago) link
definitely planning on voting but his discography is a challenge to parse, let alone rank.
i'll have something before the deadline tho.
― voodoo chili, Monday, 5 April 2021 17:31 (three years ago) link
True. It's been fun listening back to some deeper cuts and finding some new things, though my ballot's going to end up mainly the big releases.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link
i think this might've been the last song with a DOOM verse released during his lifetime? unless something else came out in 2020 that i'm forgetting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9QmBUBD-AI
― voodoo chili, Monday, 5 April 2021 17:53 (three years ago) link
The GTA V game update that has "The Chocolate Conquistadors" with Badbadnotgood and "Lunch Break" with Flying Lotus was in December, after his passing but before pretty much anyone knew.
The former was released as a single digitally but I guess the only place you can hear "Lunch Break" legitimately is driving around in the game (which is enough for me to take votes for it!). Here's someone's youtube upload:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ArmYP1nklI
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 18:03 (three years ago) link
thread name is changed. Thanks for the title, voodoo!
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 18:05 (three years ago) link
ill do my best to get a ballot together. wont have time to go back on a deep dive but i should have enough that i love to fill out a ballot.
― i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Monday, 5 April 2021 18:07 (three years ago) link
deep dives definitely optional
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 18:08 (three years ago) link
ha yess, appreciate the title
― voodoo chili, Monday, 5 April 2021 18:14 (three years ago) link
i need to think on this a bit myself
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 5 April 2021 19:06 (three years ago) link
Definitely going to vote in this, have just about got a shortlist together. Will lean very heavily on the main albums - have enjoyed going through those again.
maffew12 do you have a preference for how ballots are formatted i.e. just the track names or with the artist on there as well?
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 5 April 2021 20:16 (three years ago) link
Doesn't matter. Just titles will be fine. I didn't put out a full list so I'll be wrangling things at counting time.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:52 (three years ago) link
OK cool!
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 5 April 2021 21:49 (three years ago) link
That Herbs Guide upthread is great. I should have sought more of these sample sources before now!
Also: are unranked track ballots are an option?
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 00:03 (three years ago) link
Weighted only, sorry.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 01:04 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdyY20rGpJ8
I really need to make my list in the next couple days
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 14:16 (three years ago) link
Controps time? I don't normally mind hiphop album excesses, but most of the non-DOOM bits of Madvillainy drive me up a wall. It's weird cuz I can listen to Madlib all day. Going through all of the Mad/DOOM material for this ballot, I made a playlist of my faves... with a little of the Four Tet remixes too. Goes 56 minutes.
Avalanche (single)Operation LifesaverCloser (off The Further Adventures of Lord Quas)BistroRaidRainbowsMeat Grinder (Four Tet remix)Supervillain ThemeStrange WaysFancy ClownButter King Jewels (off Madvillainy 2, uses DOOM vocal from Dabrye's "Air")Monkey Suit (off Madvillainy 2, remix of "Monkey Suite")Great Day TodayAll CapsInterlude (Koushik)Victory Laps (Madvillainz Remix) (off DOOMSTARKS' Victory Laps single)Boulder Holder (off Madvillainy 2, remix of "Money Folder")AccordionShadows of TomorrowFigaro (demo/leak version)Savage Beast instrumental (off Madvillainy 2)Rhinestone Cowboy (Four Tet remix... which DOOM re-remixed and re-recorded the vocal for)CurlsKnock Knock (off MED/Blu/Madlib Bad Neighbor album)Papermill (single)
(See also "One Beer" and "Absolutely", perfect where they're at on DOOM's albums)
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:10 (three years ago) link
Madness! Madvillainy is the best one because it has the best skits. In fact it is one of the only hip hop records in the whole damn history of the genre where I can play it the whole way through.
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:18 (three years ago) link
BECAUSE of the skits? lolololol
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:19 (three years ago) link
I meant because of the whole listenability, which I presume is not a word. It’s rare for a hip hop record to flow so seamlessly, and the skits and instrumentals are a big part of that. Quas and VV turning up too
― a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:25 (three years ago) link
It might be the samples of the narrator that kill me. And Zappa. And "Hardcore Hustle". And "Eye" is far weaker than any of DOOM's own deep-cut "one for the ladies" tracks.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:28 (three years ago) link
so speaking of..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MW4d-Cp19E
These fan-made cartoon videos are great. I thought this one had compiled all of the Mm Food ones out there, but nope.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link
Stahhr/Angelika still doing it btw! I love this one so much (on Born Like This and Stahhr's own Almost Neva Was)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qWUj_ZXNvU
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 23:39 (three years ago) link
trying to get a ballot together so i'm not influenced by the trickle of ballots coming into my email. Don't anyone forget the original DOOM ladies track, the man's best ever, Doomsday!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gKblbeffM
Still people posting about "who is Pebbles the Invisible Girl?" when her only job on the record was to impersonate Sade and Barbara Weathers from Atlantic Starr (on "The MIC"). She does sound nice tho. I suspect it was just someone from the neighborhood, like Mr Fantastik. Hopefully they didn't also meet at a arms deal.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 00:01 (three years ago) link
Vote!
― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 20:09 (three years ago) link
So what does "there are no maximums" mean in practice for tracks? I'm guessing that a ranked list of all 576 (or whatever) appearances is not really what you had in mind, lol?
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 8 April 2021 02:04 (three years ago) link
Any fans of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_to_the_Kuffs ? To me it feels like the last proper Doom album. I'll probably vote for 'Winter Blues' on the track list. We could live forever like Henrietta Lacks cells
― cajunsunday, Thursday, 8 April 2021 07:43 (three years ago) link
xp Uh,well, OP might've been written on a couple shots and a few beers..but who cares. In practice, placements will be worth the same across all ballots, so if someone sends in hundreds of tracks, their last place will be 1 or 2 points, and on up from there. We could end up with pinball-looking scores. Here's hoping.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 8 April 2021 11:30 (three years ago) link
xp I think Kuffs could've been a great EP!
Way worse than I remembered: VV2Way better than I remembered: DANGERDOOM (dump the CeeLo and Kweli tracks for anything from the EP or reissue and this really holds up... not that I can rank it like that exactly)
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:49 (three years ago) link
I remember VV2 being awful, unfortunately. I was so excited that Kool Keith as Dr Doom turning up too.
I actually really like the Cee Lo and Talib joints, makes me wish Doom did more with name artists over the years, I think he could have carved quite the niche for himself. He only ever really got to being like 16th on a gorillaz bill though, when it came to collabs. Rock Co Kane Flow is an obv sign he could have killed it.
Really need to sort a ballot out
― a hoy hoy, Thursday, 8 April 2021 19:48 (three years ago) link
I like those guys fine generally, but those two tracks, i dunno, yikes. Apparently DOOM had a habit of turning down features that didn't come with a payday. At least it's something that came up a bunch of times in coverage this year. Wonder what he was charging some of these kids for features recently.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 8 April 2021 20:15 (three years ago) link
I've whittled my ballot down to 83 tracks. I'll keep going til the deadline.
I hadn't really paid much attention to JJ DOOM before last week. Often quite good, is my belated impression.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 9 April 2021 04:47 (three years ago) link
I'll be voting for "Bite the Thong" from JJ DOOM fairly high up. Awesome electro-style beat, with a typically abstract DOOM take on the machinations of the record industry, complete with EPMD references. Magnificent.
― Uncle Boomer Who Can Recall His Past Wives (Adept), Friday, 9 April 2021 11:12 (three years ago) link
I also pretty much wound up ignoring Danger in the end. 60 tracks just wasn't long enough to really get into that (and I didn't want to go longer than that in the end...cripes).
For all the talk of features and productions and all the nerd stuff that I love so much, you know that 90% of my ballot was from the 99-04 run of albums. So one last appeal to the more casual fans: if you've only heard the big releases, get on in here.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 16 April 2021 12:29 (three years ago) link
Still not heard the bishop nehru album but oh well.
― candyman, Friday, 16 April 2021 12:34 (three years ago) link
xp No one has put Nastradoomus up yet, no. I did say no bootlegs or fan mixed stuff. But did DOOM actually make this one? This is all super fuzzy (if anyone is wondering how there could be no maximum on the albums ballot... it's open for discussion).
I don't think you're missing much on the Nehru but it's a pleasant listen.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 16 April 2021 12:39 (three years ago) link
Just in case ppl missed this one-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFCqwDQUbvc
― candyman, Friday, 16 April 2021 13:04 (three years ago) link
Also, I've replied to all ballots. If you haven't heard back from me, shout at me here.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, April 15, 2021 9:45 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
I don't think I've had a reply yet?
― Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 16 April 2021 13:42 (three years ago) link
Got yours, Gavin, thank you!
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 16 April 2021 13:50 (three years ago) link
― Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 16 April 2021 13:52 (three years ago) link
sent!
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 April 2021 14:01 (three years ago) link
did i miss the deadline?
― i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Friday, 16 April 2021 16:33 (three years ago) link
Nope, we're open til sometime Saturday.I'll post when we're cut off. all caps.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 16 April 2021 16:38 (three years ago) link
We can leave this open most of the day. Excel ain't shit. Get at me, stragglers.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 17 April 2021 10:44 (three years ago) link
CLOSED. Thanks all. Hope to roll out results Monday and Tuesday.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 17 April 2021 21:38 (three years ago) link
every hooker heard of, but now?:https://i.imgur.com/UA6F2OK.pngsource
Blessed be the lord who believe any POLL RESULTS they read up on a message board: ILM Artist Poll #108 - MF DOOM
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 19 April 2021 15:35 (three years ago) link
What's your handle? I need a Zantac, ockAnd thanks before I blank into anaphylactic shockRock the discoChocolate on a Crisco ho?Cock diesel, and still tell a joke like Joe PiscipoTell 'em the basicsBasically, break the MatrixAnd just for kicks, make 'em gel like ASICs
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 April 2023 15:25 (one year ago) link