From the fire vocaled/Ash and molten glass like EyjafjallajöPOLL - ILM Artist Poll #108: MF DOOM. Voting til April 11.

I guess even if Subroc didn’t die, Elektra would have still lost their shot over Black Bastards. (I think he already died but soz if I got the timeline wrong.) It would have been two brothers figuring out how to come back as super villains (+onyx maybe)

I've played a DOOM project every day since Jan. 1.

Dooms sound would prob have been diff if his brother survived. My understanding is subroc tightened their stuff up a bit whereas doom was much looser

oh absolutely, if subroc survived he might've remained zev love x and never put on the mask

Personally, BB is my fave doom album. I love lots on his solo albums, but that album was an apex in a way. In some ways I think he got better and better and more adventurous, but I liked the playfulness of bb even as it was more hard bitten than mr hood. But kmd also showed doom is maybe 'tighter' when given a collaborator, like when he did dangerdoom ir jjdoom, but the way he did beats as a solo artist made him my favourite hip hop producer of that period. I get everyone likes madvillainy but I'll take the highlights of doomsday,food and born like this over that.

madvillainy demos > the final officially released madvillainy

Eligibility is wide open, everything but bootlegs! Sorry if it was confusing to put the big run of albums up top in an effort to try and engage more casual fans.

Also this is my first poll so by all means question my decisions here. It was hard to try and pin down a similar past poll. A pretty unique career.

oh absolutely, if subroc survived he might've remained zev love x and never put on the mask

What about this line though?
https://genius.com/Kmd-what-a-nigga-know-lyrics#note-1509464

From listening to some podcasts since his death, like the Serch one, I think Subroc was a more meticulous producer and DOOM’s style was always more a lofi, choppy kinda style. If Sub was still alive, the beats might have sounded a bit smoother but I think similar ideas would have been thrown around.

I recently listened to a podcast with Prodigy where he introduced Havoc to the Sp. even though we all think of Havoc as the Mobb deep producer, I think understanding that they all have an input is interesting. Subroc was the Havoc to KMD, but Doom knew enough to take his ideas to Bobito’s house after his death to launch a solo career.

I do wonder how much 88-94 was a collective effort of friends. Someone who loved jazz, heard something no one else did and took that to their mate Diamond D or whoever is basically the apex of music to me.

I recently heard a record Pete rock sampled and was amazed how he found so much potential in literally what I think was barely two bars. For me, doom without his own beats isnt really, truly doom. a bit like wu tang members and rza. Prob cos I'm not someone to be that wowed by rap lyrics, I'm more a flow and beats person, with a few exceptions. But the way ppl geek out over dilla is how I feel about doom beats.

I'm not putting on Herbs collections to listen to like I would Donuts or something... but I'm with you that you can't beat DOOM rhyming on his own beats. The way he puts together this whole world on Doomsday and Food. Madvillainy's great but it's something different.

fwiw, 8 tracks of DOOM rhyming on DOOM beats that don't appear on DOOM(etc) albums
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1yA9HLeOIPOZWQjUtQcEJL?si=a5w6HTlPTtaKm3p4ptfwFQ

I Hear Voices pt 1
w MF Grimm - Impostas (MF EP)
MF Grimm - Foolish
Monsta Island Czars - MIC Line
Hell Razah feat. Talib Kweli & MF DOOM - Project Jazz
John Robinson - Sorcerers
MA DOOM - Think I Am
DOOMSTARKS - Victory Lap
DOOMSTARKS - Lively Hood

I think that's it?

9*!

oh and "MEATHEAD"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smVoxgny20U
came out about a year ago... must be the last production of his there is right now

I have that MIC album somewhere. I think I got it for one song but literally dont know the rest.

i wish that it was much better, yes i doooooooo

Here's a deep cut I like. The beat is so infectious!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJpwKJcLjao

wtf i had no idea that reissue had new stuff, that's gorgeous. thank you

i think I'm gonna be doing more than one album resequencing as i try and process everything to squeeze a ballot out in time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHKIg17oHPI

Recently learning where the sample from The Finest and freaking out hearing it on the radio gave me a new appreciation for it. It’s weird how big a noise people made about puffy sampling pop hits from the 80s to take over the charts and DOOM did exactly the same thing to idk fictionally take over the planet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULEzINHZv3o

Yeah though DOOM never took part in that dumb criticism or any other rappity rap tropes, far as I recall... other than the idea of the mask gimmick being talked of as an anti-superstar-image, anyone-could-be-under-there kind of concept... when it suited him.

From listening to some podcasts since his death, like the Serch one,

Thanks, I hadn't grabbed this. We should compile a list of good interviews/shows. Gilles Peterson's tribue mix had a good monologue by Dante Ross at the start, though it just made me more confused about who did what in KMD.

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yo we're still going! One week left. Ballots are trickling in. What are you listening to?

For my going on about DOOM's whole world on Doomsday and Food, there is another record that to my mind stands as the most singular in his catalog: Vaudeville Villain. A teenage time traveller from a future where hiphop is outlawed, with beats that somehow sound the part. Seriously: King Honey, Heat Sensor, Max Bill?? Who are these guys? What else did they do? What is this record!! Where the hell do I place it!

Oh and there's a music video... I'd missed that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyiB-lkQBFY

I feel like this thread title should just be shortened to being an MF Doom poll, no one refers to him as his government name and all the aliases are explained later.

What’s everyone’s favourite KMD tracks? Kinda tempted to vote for Nitty Gritty and wish they did more collabs

My first crack at a title went over the limit! But I'll write the mods in a minute to tighten it up, and hit some other threads to see if we can get some more people in here.

Fave KMD, Peachfuzz.

definitely planning on voting but his discography is a challenge to parse, let alone rank.

i'll have something before the deadline tho.

True. It's been fun listening back to some deeper cuts and finding some new things, though my ballot's going to end up mainly the big releases.

i think this might've been the last song with a DOOM verse released during his lifetime? unless something else came out in 2020 that i'm forgetting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9QmBUBD-AI

The GTA V game update that has "The Chocolate Conquistadors" with Badbadnotgood and "Lunch Break" with Flying Lotus was in December, after his passing but before pretty much anyone knew.

The former was released as a single digitally but I guess the only place you can hear "Lunch Break" legitimately is driving around in the game (which is enough for me to take votes for it!). Here's someone's youtube upload:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ArmYP1nklI

thread name is changed. Thanks for the title, voodoo!

ill do my best to get a ballot together. wont have time to go back on a deep dive but i should have enough that i love to fill out a ballot.

deep dives definitely optional

ha yess, appreciate the title

i need to think on this a bit myself

Definitely going to vote in this, have just about got a shortlist together. Will lean very heavily on the main albums - have enjoyed going through those again.

maffew12 do you have a preference for how ballots are formatted i.e. just the track names or with the artist on there as well?

Doesn't matter. Just titles will be fine. I didn't put out a full list so I'll be wrangling things at counting time.

OK cool!

That Herbs Guide upthread is great. I should have sought more of these sample sources before now!

Also: are unranked track ballots are an option?

Weighted only, sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdyY20rGpJ8

I really need to make my list in the next couple days

Controps time? I don't normally mind hiphop album excesses, but most of the non-DOOM bits of Madvillainy drive me up a wall. It's weird cuz I can listen to Madlib all day. Going through all of the Mad/DOOM material for this ballot, I made a playlist of my faves... with a little of the Four Tet remixes too. Goes 56 minutes.

Avalanche (single)
Operation Lifesaver
Closer (off The Further Adventures of Lord Quas)
Bistro
Raid
Rainbows
Meat Grinder (Four Tet remix)
Supervillain Theme
Strange Ways
Fancy Clown
Butter King Jewels (off Madvillainy 2, uses DOOM vocal from Dabrye's "Air")
Monkey Suit (off Madvillainy 2, remix of "Monkey Suite")
Great Day Today
All Caps
Interlude (Koushik)
Victory Laps (Madvillainz Remix) (off DOOMSTARKS' Victory Laps single)
Boulder Holder (off Madvillainy 2, remix of "Money Folder")
Accordion
Shadows of Tomorrow
Figaro (demo/leak version)
Savage Beast instrumental (off Madvillainy 2)
Rhinestone Cowboy (Four Tet remix... which DOOM re-remixed and re-recorded the vocal for)
Curls
Knock Knock (off MED/Blu/Madlib Bad Neighbor album)
Papermill (single)

(See also "One Beer" and "Absolutely", perfect where they're at on DOOM's albums)

Madness! Madvillainy is the best one because it has the best skits. In fact it is one of the only hip hop records in the whole damn history of the genre where I can play it the whole way through.

BECAUSE of the skits? lolololol

I meant because of the whole listenability, which I presume is not a word. It’s rare for a hip hop record to flow so seamlessly, and the skits and instrumentals are a big part of that. Quas and VV turning up too

It might be the samples of the narrator that kill me. And Zappa. And "Hardcore Hustle". And "Eye" is far weaker than any of DOOM's own deep-cut "one for the ladies" tracks.

so speaking of..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MW4d-Cp19E

These fan-made cartoon videos are great. I thought this one had compiled all of the Mm Food ones out there, but nope.

Stahhr/Angelika still doing it btw! I love this one so much (on Born Like This and Stahhr's own Almost Neva Was)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qWUj_ZXNvU

trying to get a ballot together so i'm not influenced by the trickle of ballots coming into my email. Don't anyone forget the original DOOM ladies track, the man's best ever, Doomsday!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gKblbeffM

Still people posting about "who is Pebbles the Invisible Girl?" when her only job on the record was to impersonate Sade and Barbara Weathers from Atlantic Starr (on "The MIC"). She does sound nice tho. I suspect it was just someone from the neighborhood, like Mr Fantastik. Hopefully they didn't also meet at a arms deal.

Vote!

So what does "there are no maximums" mean in practice for tracks? I'm guessing that a ranked list of all 576 (or whatever) appearances is not really what you had in mind, lol?

I’m not gonna be able to do the graphics until Sunday so maff how do you feel about still taking ballots until saturday?

ha yes ok. Send them in

I'll send one today.

Cool!

Finally did mine last night. Splitting hairs between things i noted 9 and 10 during a slow listen through this whole time. 60 tracks. One other ballot was that long too.

So max 60 tracks at this point, so I can go ahead and sort out the points scale soon. Minimum still just 10 tracks. And/or 5 albums. Still no max on albums.

I feel bad for pretty much ignoring dangerdoom but n/m

"I wouldn't call madvillain or mm food "gritty" in the traditional sense. viktor vaughn, sure."

Madvillainy isn't gritty? Sure sounds it to me. It has that whole dusty crate digging vibe all over it, to my ears. Partly why I'm not an unconditional maflub fan, sonetimes that dustiness feels a bit uniform.

Mmm food, true, theres more electro samples on there, which gives it a diff vibe and texture. But at this point IIRC producers like 9th wonder were using cleaner sonics too. As a producer I think doom seemed to use a lot of clear loops, but it was the way he triggered the samples that disrupted that smoothness.

The grit was always in his drums though, and the weird slightly drunken lopsided timing was how he triggered those drum tracks too

I want to see if anyone voted for nastradoomus lol

I also pretty much wound up ignoring Danger in the end. 60 tracks just wasn't long enough to really get into that (and I didn't want to go longer than that in the end...cripes).

For all the talk of features and productions and all the nerd stuff that I love so much, you know that 90% of my ballot was from the 99-04 run of albums. So one last appeal to the more casual fans: if you've only heard the big releases, get on in here.

Still not heard the bishop nehru album but oh well.

xp No one has put Nastradoomus up yet, no. I did say no bootlegs or fan mixed stuff. But did DOOM actually make this one? This is all super fuzzy (if anyone is wondering how there could be no maximum on the albums ballot... it's open for discussion).

I don't think you're missing much on the Nehru but it's a pleasant listen.

Just in case ppl missed this one-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFCqwDQUbvc

Also, I've replied to all ballots. If you haven't heard back from me, shout at me here.

― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, April 15, 2021 9:45 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I don't think I've had a reply yet?

Got yours, Gavin, thank you!

OK cool!

sent!

did i miss the deadline?

Nope, we're open til sometime Saturday.

I'll post when we're cut off. all caps.

We can leave this open most of the day. Excel ain't shit. Get at me, stragglers.

CLOSED. Thanks all. Hope to roll out results Monday and Tuesday.

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Blessed be the lord who believe any POLL RESULTS they read up on a message board: ILM Artist Poll #108 - MF DOOM

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And thanks before I blank into anaphylactic shock
Rock the disco
Chocolate on a Crisco ho?
Cock diesel, and still tell a joke like Joe Piscipo
Tell 'em the basics
Basically, break the Matrix
And just for kicks, make 'em gel like ASICs