Justice League (DC 2017 film)

Lookit, if you're approaching these things as anything other than really nicely-polished b-movies, you might be doing it wrong, is the thing.

otm

Ok but this started because you got mad I said they follow a successful formula

Wait, are they summer tentpole blockbusters, or are they b-movies?

(The idea that Sammo and Jackie and Chow and the creator of Happy Feet are making “niche films” and not blockbusters doesn’t really play either)

They are not literally b-movies, no, I don't think anyone would argue that. That they embody the spirit of b-movies is one of the reasons I appreciate them so.

They're way too sexless to be b-movies.

My bad for taking sic's disingenuous troll bait, sorry guys.

oh god this is getting into the territory of a truly terrible essay I bailed on that complained that the MCU movies didn't have messy boning in them

it started by making a "do you SEE" point about Starship Troopers that showed the author fundamentally misunderstood the point of Starship Troopers

xxpost There are plenty of sexless b-movies, come on now. '50s sci-fi movies generally contained no more than a completely flaccid penis here and there, for instance.

like, there are a multitude of reasons why I enjoy MCU movies and none of them are "I want proof that all of these beautiful people penetrate each other constantly"

When I think superhero fight scenes I have an entirely different set of expectations as to what a fight scene will look like than I would approaching a Hong Kong action flick.

Why do you have exactly the same expectations for a superhero fight scene as for a Michael Bay animated robot scene, then?

(and do you have the same expectations for a Hong Kong fight scene as for a Hong Kong helicopter chase, or a Thai fight scene, or a Hong Kong dance scene, or a Welsh fight scene, or a Korean escape scene, or an American horse scene, or an Australian car chase, or an Australian baby pig and dozens of animals swarming a hotel, or an Australian bicycle chase, which I also carefully cited so that it wasn’t just comparing one style to another?)

sic, it's time to reboot

My bad for taking sic's disingenuous troll bait, sorry guys.

oh hey get fucked

oh god this is getting into the territory of a truly terrible essay I bailed on that complained that the MCU movies didn't have messy boning in them

was it this? (can't read at work because of the URL lol)

https://bloodknife.com/everyone-beautiful-no-one-horny/

lol yes it was

Yeah I'm not taking any further bait from you sic, I'll spend my time more productively bashing my head against the nearest wall.

You said that Marvel movie fight scenes are bad because they don't match up to Hong Kong action movies, a genre specifically known for very excellent fight choreography. I agreed with this premise, but noted that I don't think the two genres are really comparable, yet you keep moving the goalposts by insisting they are the same by bringing.... fucking Happy Feet into it somehow? You have no consistent argument other than to prove, yet again, your superior film knowledge and better tastes than us other mere mortals.

xp
I initially read that post as you were writing an essay and bailed on it lol

hahahaha oh no

admit i had the same reading of that line. was looking forward to DJP's horny take on the MCU

But Is He Mighty Where It Counts

Dear Mr. Feige,
Surely Iron Man's suit would come equipped with...eh never mind

lol

George Miller was listed along with the Hong Kong directors from the start tbf, it’s a consistent argument if you can read

I mean, thanks for the condescending insult wins, but I am well aware of George Miller's oeuvre. I guess I just completely blanked on the stunningly choreographed fight scenes from Happy Feet.

fight choreo =/= action direction

(though the former could be construed as a subset of the latter)

“Creator of happy feet” a specific counter to the argument that these are niche filmmakers & separate to the consistent argument that directors across the world make big films w good action sequences. Even if you disagree because you think you shouldn’t be able to compare good things with bad things, it is not a trolly argument & didn’t really warrant an outburst?

obv wins was talking about the legit stunning action sequences from babe 2

or sic

too much crosstalk

Yeah I actually haven’t seen babe 2 (I know I know) but guessed that was the animals storming the hotel thing

“Creator of happy feet” a specific counter to the argument that these are niche filmmakers & separate to the consistent argument that directors across the world make big films w good action sequences. Even if you disagree because you think you shouldn’t be able to compare good things with bad things, it is not a trolly argument & didn’t really warrant an outburst?

For one, sic is notable for bad faith arguments in these threads, so I'll admit to being quick to lose my patience. But I still think that was a little disingenuous. Pointing out that a successful director of action sequences also directed a blockbuster in an entirely unrelated genre, without any action scenes at all, does not at all contradict my point that action sequences in modern superhero movies are not, and should not be considered, on equal footing with films that are specifically designed as showcases for intricate fight scenes.

this is not relevant to the current discussion but i haven't even gotten into how i think this movie is a beautiful tribute to his daughter, just through the telling of cyborg's story and, once again, the flash sequence at the end

i am hopeful that black widow will be a nice opportunity for some solid fight choreo/action direction that isn't disposable.
it would be fun if they would ditch all the continuity bullshit for at least one film and just, i dunno, remake The Raid but put scarjo in the lead.

I'm hoping that by jumping back in time to be set after Civil War there won't be much emphasis on larger continuity at all, which would definitely suit it better.

I'll be the first (or, I dunno, like the eight millionth) to say that I wish Marvel would slough off the relatively homogeneous house style and let distinctive filmmakers get personal and/or properly weird with the material. It doesn't seem like it would affect the narrative throughline much.

Wrt to the topic of this thread in particular (what was it again?), I will once more out myself as someone who a) has yet to see any of the Snyder films that I love to clown on and b) watches the CW DC shows, which I feel almost certain are at least equally infused with hot garbage.

BVS (extended cut) is the only Snyder movie I've seen that I actually think works back to front as a movie, and has enough weird shit in it to be genuinely compelling to watch, despite the length. I might like Man of Steel better on revisit now that Snyder's vision of the character is clearer, but I found it a slog at the time.

You could not pay me to try again with Sucker Punch, though.

Problem with Bats v Supes was that I found the dream sequence stuff infinitely more compelling than the main plot, I would have loved to see that post-apocalyptic world fleshed out more, and the "Martha" thing was so stupid that it really ruined a lot of the goodwill.

I never really understood the griping about that element tbh

Leslie Jones livetweeted the whole film and presents maybe the only way I will see this.
start here

I have 3 hours 56 minutes and 13 seconds left long night ahead!! #longassmovie pic.twitter.com/eRnOTBwdUR

— Leslie Jones 🦋 (@Lesdoggg) March 22, 2021

I never really understood the griping about that element tbh

The "Martha" thing? I just think there were far less clumsy ways for Bruce to empathize with Supes' common humanity.

i looove the "martha" scene, lol

just amazed he was able to hold back on dropping in the tom waits song afterwards

jvc you are correct that the dream sequence rocks. which is why revisiting it in the justice league epilogue doesn't bother me at all, tacked on as it may seem

i really love that each movie tends to improve the experience of watching the previous ones, like bvs's "how do gods figure into geopolitics/how can unchecked power be controlled" question is a direct follow-up to what man of steel lays down. i would encourage anyone curious/masochistic enough to watch man of steel/batman vs superman/justice league in a row like i did. lol

just amazed he was able to hold back on dropping in the tom waits song afterwards

― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Thursday, March 25, 2021 11:53 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

there are no needledrops in bvs iirc, so like... in a way... it's his most restrained movie....... j/k

jvc you are correct that the dream sequence rocks. which is why revisiting it in the justice league epilogue doesn't bother me at all, tacked on as it may seem

Not going to lie, it was hearing that the dream sequence stuff was back in this was what finally convinced me that I would watch this after all. Also curious to see the Flash and Cyborg stuff.

the father/parent stuff in the movie is really good, i had somehow forgotten abt Snyder’s daughter until the “For Autumn” at the end & it hit me

the Martha thing in BvS was so bad it made everyone forget about Batman giving Clark the ol' Jesus spear, just stop with SuperChrist dammit