Justice League (DC 2017 film)

Some guy had a multi-post freakout at the start of the MCU: classic or dud 2 thread at the very idea of anyone answering the thread topic iirc.

I think of “slurry-like consistency” as applying to the incoherent pixelated look of the animated final-boss battles in half+ of the ones I’ve seen

(not u Peyton bb)

Somehow the consistency of the MCU has been twisted into a sort of strange criticism. "Yeah, the casting and acting and effects and stories are pretty reliably good, and they're mostly very entertaining, but ... they're all the same! Why don't they coat everything in digital charcoal and throw in more erratic storytelling and a bunch of slo-mo and ramping for a change? Sure, it may be indulgent and tough to endure, but at least it has personality." Which, tbf, is indeed probably preferable to dreck like WW84, which is like the worst traits of the MCU and DCU combined but otherwise completely bereft of *any* real distinction.

Fwiw, for comparison's sake "Endgame" (minus credits) runs I think a little more than a full hour shorter than this one does. But apparently this one breaks things up into chapters, so suck it, Scorsese, Snyder Cut is all but *designed* to be paused at home while you go off to make popcorn and check your email.

I don't think the fight scenes in the MCU movies are at all incoherent, not in a world that also contains a successful Transformers franchise.

Seriously. Those movies are like watching a lunatic try to solve the world's biggest CGI Rubik's cube.

mean there are so many valid criticisms of the MCU - the military shilling, the sometimes incomprehensible action sequences, the overreliance on lazy "I know that reference!" easter egg zings, shoehorning in continuity in ways that slow down the films

yes

I don't find MCU action direction incoherent, just perfunctory and unmemorable

(action direction not Snyder's strong suit either tbh)

I only saw the first Transformers and the scene from whichever later one they destroyed Chicago, those definitely set the standard for completely incomprehensible action sequences. Just blurs of terrible CGI color. Still mystified by how successful that franchise became.

(action direction not Snyder's strong suit either tbh)

― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Thursday, March 25, 2021 9:20 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

by direct comparison it's leagues better imo

i mean as with massive cgi superhero battles u gotta love ur grays and oranges

as with all*

prob my favorite snyder action sequence is the climax of man of steel, which everyone hates, but which i thought was amazing

I'm sure I'll be alone in this one, but one of the reasons I enjoyed Endgame as much as I did was that I was genuinely surprised by how well they handled the epic, every character ever super fight. It was way more comprehensible and structured than I'd been dreading.

(action direction not Snyder's strong suit either tbh)

― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Thursday, March 25, 2021 9:20 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

by direct comparison it's leagues better imo

Yeah "incoherent" isn't right. Someone on the MCU thread (maybe?) posted a video breaking down how unreal the physics of the CGI fight between Black Panther and Killmonger were and how that undercuts the drama of it, and I thought that was otm

don't think the fight scenes in the MCU movies are at all incoherent, not in a world that also contains a successful Transformers franchise.

the thing is that we live in a world that also contains successful films by Corey Yuen and Sammo Hung and Stephen Chow and Jackie Chan and Prachya Pinkaew and Gareth Evans and Park Chan-wook and Chad Stahelski and George Miller and Brian Trenchard-Smith

“Bad” physics is one of the things that contributes to making these things incoherent to me

I can only speak for myself, but I don't ever expect tentpole blockbuster summer popcorn flicks to have the same level of fight choreography as niche films for which said fight choreography is the main draw.

'But,' said Devil's Advocate, 'what is the main draw of a tentpole blockbuster summer popcorn superhero flick if not the fight choreography? Check, and also mate.'

(not u Peyton bb)

is that an example of your tongue-in-cheek preemptive defensiveness, OL?

Yes, sorry, #tongueincheek

is “fight choreography” even a thing that exists in the Transformers movies?

Gotta make myself a Post-It. 'Note to self...incluuuuude haaaashtaaag.'

it only takes up like 1/5 of the movie, no point making it look distinctive or memorable

sic, I'd definitely raise an eyebrow if someone told me they choreographed a mosh pit

When I think superhero fight scenes I have an entirely different set of expectations as to what a fight scene will look like than I would approaching a Hong Kong action flick.

Lookit, if you're approaching these things as anything other than really nicely-polished b-movies, you might be doing it wrong, is the thing.

otm

Ok but this started because you got mad I said they follow a successful formula

Wait, are they summer tentpole blockbusters, or are they b-movies?

(The idea that Sammo and Jackie and Chow and the creator of Happy Feet are making “niche films” and not blockbusters doesn’t really play either)

They are not literally b-movies, no, I don't think anyone would argue that. That they embody the spirit of b-movies is one of the reasons I appreciate them so.

They're way too sexless to be b-movies.

My bad for taking sic's disingenuous troll bait, sorry guys.

oh god this is getting into the territory of a truly terrible essay I bailed on that complained that the MCU movies didn't have messy boning in them

it started by making a "do you SEE" point about Starship Troopers that showed the author fundamentally misunderstood the point of Starship Troopers

xxpost There are plenty of sexless b-movies, come on now. '50s sci-fi movies generally contained no more than a completely flaccid penis here and there, for instance.

like, there are a multitude of reasons why I enjoy MCU movies and none of them are "I want proof that all of these beautiful people penetrate each other constantly"

When I think superhero fight scenes I have an entirely different set of expectations as to what a fight scene will look like than I would approaching a Hong Kong action flick.

Why do you have exactly the same expectations for a superhero fight scene as for a Michael Bay animated robot scene, then?

(and do you have the same expectations for a Hong Kong fight scene as for a Hong Kong helicopter chase, or a Thai fight scene, or a Hong Kong dance scene, or a Welsh fight scene, or a Korean escape scene, or an American horse scene, or an Australian car chase, or an Australian baby pig and dozens of animals swarming a hotel, or an Australian bicycle chase, which I also carefully cited so that it wasn’t just comparing one style to another?)

sic, it's time to reboot

My bad for taking sic's disingenuous troll bait, sorry guys.

oh hey get fucked

oh god this is getting into the territory of a truly terrible essay I bailed on that complained that the MCU movies didn't have messy boning in them

was it this? (can't read at work because of the URL lol)

https://bloodknife.com/everyone-beautiful-no-one-horny/

lol yes it was

Yeah I'm not taking any further bait from you sic, I'll spend my time more productively bashing my head against the nearest wall.

You said that Marvel movie fight scenes are bad because they don't match up to Hong Kong action movies, a genre specifically known for very excellent fight choreography. I agreed with this premise, but noted that I don't think the two genres are really comparable, yet you keep moving the goalposts by insisting they are the same by bringing.... fucking Happy Feet into it somehow? You have no consistent argument other than to prove, yet again, your superior film knowledge and better tastes than us other mere mortals.

xp
I initially read that post as you were writing an essay and bailed on it lol

hahahaha oh no

admit i had the same reading of that line. was looking forward to DJP's horny take on the MCU

But Is He Mighty Where It Counts

Dear Mr. Feige,
Surely Iron Man's suit would come equipped with...eh never mind