Really something how bullish anon corporate bluetick accounts are getting.
I like it when it's Ben & Jerry attacking UK government policy tho
― nashwan, Thursday, 25 March 2021 14:11 (three years ago) link
In a weird way, I take this recent counterattack stuff as kind of a good sign. It shows that they are finally starting to feel some pressure, since in the past they just buried their heads in the sand and pretended none of this even existed. The fact that they've had to crank up the counterattack may just be a sign that the tide might be starting to turn for the workers.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 March 2021 14:18 (three years ago) link
The sourcing for the peeing-in-bottles story is a bit thin — basically an undercover reporter found one bottle of urine while working at a warehouse, and there are reports of delivery drivers peeing in bottles on the road. (Drivers peeing in bottles is a long-established thing that far predates Amazon, fwiw.)
It is not hard to believe both that the stress and working conditions inside the warehouses is very bad, and also that people actually peeing in bottles is an extremely rare occurrence. Probably not a rhetorical hill to die on.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 25 March 2021 14:18 (three years ago) link
I agree that bathroom breaks aren't the only issue, but there's no need to downplay it imo.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/16/17243026/amazon-warehouse-jobs-worker-conditions-bathroom-breaks
Bloodworth’s findings are in line with first-hand accounts collected in the survey by worker rights platform Organise, which reported that 74 percent of workers avoid using the toilet for fear of being warned they had missed their target numbers.
I agree with jon though, the company getting publicly defensive and trying to gaslight Bernie Sanders on twitter looks much weaker than blithely ignoring this stuff because you know it won't stick. This is also a sign of something: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-24/facebook-amazon-edge-out-other-corporate-giants-in-lobby-spend
― rob, Thursday, 25 March 2021 14:26 (three years ago) link
just tbc: it was the classic abuser's rhetorical strategy of "if they didn't like being exploited, they would leave" that I was struck by in that tweet, not really the substance of the bottle anecdote
― rob, Thursday, 25 March 2021 14:28 (three years ago) link
Oh yeah, the company's tweets are all bad and are deservedly blowing up in its face. And people feeling pressured not to take bathroom breaks is much better supported by reporting than the pee bottle thing specifically — which of course is why the tweet singled that out rather than addressing the actual problem of working people so hard they're afraid to go to the bathroom.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 25 March 2021 15:22 (three years ago) link
^^ both of the last two posts otm
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 March 2021 15:22 (three years ago) link
Sure it's a pre-established thing but it is also a sign of a predatory business model, especially when we're not talking about truckers driving enormous distances but amazon drivers doing their rounds within a single city.
Owen Jones interviewed an Amazon driver here in the UK who brought up peeing in bottles, totally independent of this thing. A business putting so much strain on its drivers that they don't have time for bathroom breaks seems a fine hill to die on, imo.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 25 March 2021 15:48 (three years ago) link
Amazon management knows its workers urinate in bottles and even defecate in bags in order to save time, internal company documents leaked to me reveal:https://t.co/m6SK8QlRtF— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) March 25, 2021
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, 25 March 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link
wow that was fast. hopefully they keep tweeting dumbass lies
― rob, Thursday, 25 March 2021 21:37 (three years ago) link
oh, they will
― Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Thursday, 25 March 2021 21:51 (three years ago) link
irl lol
― rob, Thursday, 25 March 2021 21:52 (three years ago) link
Ok, not so thinly sourced!
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 25 March 2021 22:08 (three years ago) link
ken k going ftw. grate graphic too.
― John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Thursday, 25 March 2021 23:27 (three years ago) link
I'm beginning to worry that there's a problem with UTIs across the country, given how frequently many of you need a bathroom break?You really should see doctors about that.Which you can do if you work full time at an Amazon FC, since we get comprehensive health benefits!— Lulu at CMH1 📦 (@AmazonFCLulu) March 29, 2021
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Monday, 29 March 2021 20:28 (three years ago) link
Waiting for somebody to reveal they got a turd bag accidentally packed in beside their Big Bang Theory BluRays.
― "what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 29 March 2021 21:14 (three years ago) link
Imagine feeling good about tweeting that out, assuming that's not a deep level of parody.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 29 March 2021 21:16 (three years ago) link
personally I think this new branding strategy is a winner
― rob, Monday, 29 March 2021 21:19 (three years ago) link
what brand doesn't want to be immediately associated with piss?
I believe that one's a parody in response to Amazon firing up a bunch of their totally not being held hostage Amazon ambassador accounts to combat the piss bottle stories and union drive.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Monday, 29 March 2021 21:24 (three years ago) link
Okay, yeah, now that I've scrolled further down that timeline, definitely leaning towards parody. Or else her amazon overlords might wanna have her back down a little.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 29 March 2021 21:27 (three years ago) link
ah ok yeah that's a parody. This one though? https://twitter.com/AmazonFCDarla
― rob, Monday, 29 March 2021 21:42 (three years ago) link
How are they so fucking bad at this
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Monday, 29 March 2021 21:47 (three years ago) link
The... parodists?
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Monday, 29 March 2021 21:49 (three years ago) link
Well, Amazon has been so consistently bad at spin & PR of late that it's a bit difficult to discern even the most ott parodists from the real deal.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Monday, 29 March 2021 21:51 (three years ago) link
If they're not on Sprinklr, it's likely they're not real.
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Monday, 29 March 2021 21:52 (three years ago) link
tbc sic I'm 99% sure the one I posted is legit
― rob, Monday, 29 March 2021 21:54 (three years ago) link
lol, 5 tweets, 1 of which is apologising for the previous one
― koogs, Monday, 29 March 2021 21:55 (three years ago) link
I mean "legit" isn't really the right word for this sort of thing, but I don't think this account was made by someone to mock amazon's own-brand fake workers
― rob, Monday, 29 March 2021 21:56 (three years ago) link
If you think $30 is all a union will charge us you're crazy! I've heard stories from management about plants where unions come in, make everyone interview for their own jobs again, and in the end they make the same amount but shell out hundreds a year. I'm not that gullible!— Darla at GYR1 📦 (@AmazonFCDarla) March 29, 2021
🔎
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Monday, 29 March 2021 22:00 (three years ago) link
actually never mind, I don't think the ambassador tweeter program exists anymore
― rob, Monday, 29 March 2021 22:01 (three years ago) link
Can someone please explain the turtle thing? People keep asking me about turtles, is this a movie reference I'm missing?— Darla at GYR1 📦 (@AmazonFCDarla) March 29, 2021
🔎🔎🔎
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Monday, 29 March 2021 22:02 (three years ago) link
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49372809
The Amazon ambassadors were posting things just as embarrassing as the parody (and possible parody of Darla) even before the company became one big piss-up.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Monday, 29 March 2021 22:02 (three years ago) link
thank you to amazon for employing 19 year old grandma Rafael, who is 100% real pic.twitter.com/yDJds0VXcD— pierre menard (@PierreMenard) August 15, 2019
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Monday, 29 March 2021 22:03 (three years ago) link
not quite "in defense" of amazon but pissing in bottles is common for people who work deliveries for DHL/UPS ime (having know a few guys who do this for a living)
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Monday, 29 March 2021 22:07 (three years ago) link
it's the fulfillment center workers who have to piss in bottles, the drivers are the ones shitting in bags
― rob, Monday, 29 March 2021 22:11 (three years ago) link
oh yeah
terrible working conditions without even bathroom breaks are more widespread than just amazon is my point i guess
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Monday, 29 March 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link
Absolutely. And anyone spending their work day in a vehicle is going to face this problem. I read a bit about this w/r/t women who drove for uber/lyft sharing tips online about safe bathrooms
― rob, Monday, 29 March 2021 22:20 (three years ago) link
It's like Xerox or Kleenox, their brand is tied (for some/many) to terrible workplaces that don't have to be, as Wal-Mart was in the '90s and '00s.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Monday, 29 March 2021 22:26 (three years ago) link
It's easier for people to yell at one name (that keeps shitting itself publicly - Wal-Mart didn't have twitter to deal with) than all of capitalism.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Monday, 29 March 2021 22:27 (three years ago) link
A few years ago I had a Lyft driver who was eight months pregnant and really needed to pee, so she asked if it was okay if she went a few blocks off route to stop at a gas station she trusted and she kept being like super, super apologetic. I was like, "seriously, it's absolutely fine, I don't want you to have to drive around in pain".
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 29 March 2021 22:33 (three years ago) link
I would have thought one of the perks of being an Amazon driver would be getting to piss in a bottle and then pour it out the window on passing motorcyclists or convertibles.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 29 March 2021 22:37 (three years ago) link
buddy only bezos get to pour his piss bottle on america
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 00:27 (three years ago) link
The recent official “You don’t really believe the peeing in bottles thing, do you?” tweets were so aggressive that engineers filed internal reports assuming the account had been hacked and were being sabotaged.
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 08:07 (three years ago) link
^that and this making me feel better about being so confused yesterday: https://www.vice.com/en/article/5dpnb5/twitter-is-banning-amazon-ambassadors-and-its-a-total-mess
― rob, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 17:03 (three years ago) link
More from the Beeb: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56581266
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 17:17 (three years ago) link
it feels wrong to keep this video to myself pic.twitter.com/uQjqHElIr7— Alex Press (@alexnpress) March 30, 2021
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 23:04 (three years ago) link
who?
― Nhex, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 23:09 (three years ago) link
Chet Haze, fresh from heralding a White Boy Summer
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 23:25 (three years ago) link
Amazon’s Twitter Army Was Handpicked for “Great Sense of Humor,” Leaked Document Reveals
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 05:59 (three years ago) link