rolling #metoo thread for sexual harassment in the music industry so no one misses out when artists we don't give a fuck about like Tim Westwood and Bassnectar get caught

I'm not recommending it, but Har Mar's previous incarnation was Sean Na Na, the album My Majesty was incredibly toxic and misogynistic and ugly, and some of it is real striking in retrospect (tw)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt79gRy2nzM

always hated that band and him and everyone who liked them back in the day. I've liked my share of people who turned out to be shitty but at least I don't have this skeleton in my music collection.

Har Mar was just on the Best Show talking about working as a mail man during lockdown.

oh frogbspaws

― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, March 22, 2021 5:03 PM

was that 'weak'

Did we not determine that sic misunderstood my “weak”

no, we determined that your 'weak' was poor

'sorry if you thought it was glib, i was just using jargon'

write better

I thought sic was mad because I wasn’t centering victims in a tweet about a director I like, not the reality that sic was mad because sic thought I was calling the victims arguments weak

I thought you seemed to be saying it was "weak" of film producers & distributors SpectreVision to withdraw funding for his next two films and donate future proceeds from their existing collaboration to domestic violence charities. This surprised me, so I asked what you meant.

You clarified that you think it "sucks" that the violent abuser was "cancelled" and the business relationship is "dunzo," regardless of the accounts of his victims.

No, I meant it sucks that the director’s career is dunzo, not his business relationship with some blu-ray company.

“It’s very good this creep got cancelled” and “It sucks that this guy can’t make anymore movies because I liked them” are not mutually exclusive thoughts. Though I DO (and did) admit that putting the latter in front of the former can be perceived as “glib”

SpectreVision produced and theatrically distributed Color Out Of Space, his only feature since 1992, and were planning to make two more Lovecraft adaps w/ him. They are the entirety of his current career.

Dogg, please believe me when I say I wasn’t even getting in the weeds of his specific relationships with any company or business

dogg, you should hack on your sensitivity a bit

I apologized for being glib and I meant it. I’m sorry!

I’m just responding to accusations about my intentions

Thomas Middleditch pressured a girlfriend into getting breast implants, and then asked for her to pay him back for them when they broke up. Dude's been a known creep for years.

I don't think anyone is at all shocked by Richard Middledouche being called out

the nerdy dude from silicon valley huh

Oh my god that breast implant story

She's deleted the post, but my recollection is that the woman had to remove the implants years after they broke up, due to them being (badly done? too large? affecting her chest muscles?). I don't recall when or whether him asking to be paid back came into it, but she put the implants on display at the Museum Of Broken Relationships in Hollywood.

Midnite Vultures is good

shhhhh

No, I meant it sucks that the director’s career is dunzo, not his business relationship with some blu-ray company.

Dogg, please believe me when I say I wasn’t even getting in the weeds of his specific relationships with any company or business

I haven’t read the allegations yet

(btw I still don't follow this at all. how is his career even "dunzo" in any way, let alone it being "weaksauce" that it's dunzo, in that context?)

I don't know why we are going round and round with this, nor what you're trying to do here but

1. I was assuming he was heretofore "cancelled" i.e., persona non grata in the industry, i.e. basically finished and unable to make movies anymore at least in the way that we know them, i.e., having a career that is over at least in the way that we know them a.k.a. done a.k.a. dunzo. Yes, I'm fully aware that this something that is more common with smaller/niche figures than bigger people like Mel Gibson or whatever. Yes, I'm fully aware that, in fact, may not be end up to be true because, in many, many cases, like Aziz or Morgan Wallen, your career really only gets a timeout or a speedbump, and I was rushing to assume that Stanley was "cancelled" in the traditional sense. I did not -- and still have not -- read the actual allegations, but I assume they are legit and horrible.

2. I have established that “It is very good this creep got cancelled” and “It sucks that this guy can’t make anymore movies because I liked them” are not mutually exclusive thoughts. Yes, putting the former in front of the latter is glib, especially on a board where people can be sensitive to such matters. I have admitted that and have apologized twice now. The first thought (“It is very good this creep got cancelled”) should be assumed and should go without saying. The second thought (It sucks that this guy can’t make anymore movies because I liked them”) was what I posted. "Weak" in that scenario is synonomous with "this sucks" which is something that poster Austin has done in this very thread ("unrelated, but over the last week there have also been allegations thrown at london singer songwriter cosmo pyke which sucks because i genuinely like his music."), which went without such a thorough examination.

maybe because i'm not an insufferable blowhard?

(this post is 100% in jest, just fyi. i just can't resist a dogpile on you, chris. let's try to stay focused tho.)

haha, appreciated

"Midnite Vultures is good"

I don't know how that album got into this discourse but it was certainly the first Beck album I hated.

don't know how that album got into this discourse

"underpants R&B minstrel show"

Is Midnite Vultures cancelled

Is Midnite Vultures cancelled too??? Man, I hated Midnite Vultures, then grew to like it, and now there's something worse about it?

beck is too boring to cancel

The only good thing about Midnite Vultures is the cover art.

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Shock-City-Shockers/master/457451

https://img.discogs.com/p8hkP9K9W_PrVZNvQcJOduSnhaQ=/fit-in/488x425/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-2163996-1386138499-9655.jpeg.jpg

There is a book called Ongaloo that all those paintings were culled from:

https://www.google.com/search?q=ongaloo&tbm=isch

are the boredoms cancelled

Can we not conflate artistic crimes with actual ones in this thread? Har Mar isn't getting canceled for making r&b.

Midnite Vultures is fun shit, like it was welded together from a stack of '70s records that normally weren't played together (Sly & the Family Stone, Kraftwerk, etc.) "Sexx Laws," "Get Real Plaid," "Beautiful Way" (psychedelic folk-blues)...I think Beck openly expressed his reservations about singing "Debra" when he toured in 2002, like it was some embarrassing track he cut in his "youth" (IIRC it was kicking around before Odelay). Coming from a guy who's now singing songs from Hank Williams and Big Star's 3rd, it would be insipid, but I eventually came around to the idea that it's a snapshot of juvenile idiocy and enjoy it as a novelty.

the most embarrassing track on midnite vultures is "hollywood freaks"

mixed business or whatever is so fucking horrible, he should be shot because of that, imo

this is such a weird conversation to be having in this thread

agreed

take it here
midnite vultures

Not to mention fucking weird to say a musician should be "shot" for recording a song, especially given current events.

beck sucks you nerds

take it to the beck thread ffs

Not to mention fucking weird to say a musician should be "shot" for recording a song

period

#onethread

take it to the scientology thread!

chaki!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Further reconfirmation on this person

https://pitchfork.com/news/sun-kil-moon-mark-kozelek-accused-of-sexual-misconduct-by-seven-more-women/amp/

tip of the iceberg, surprised it took this long for another 7.